[arista]

Originally Posted by InOne

Religious Schools are not good. Although the sad fact is they have been here a long time and will probably never go away.

Yes yet another
New Labour mess.

[InOne]

Originally Posted by arista

Yes yet another
New Labour mess.

I blame Thatcher.

[arista]

Originally Posted by InOne

I blame Thatcher.

You can not
as Stinking New Labour has had 12 long years
and the have Fecked the Nation right up.

[InOne]

Originally Posted by arista

You can not
as Stinking New Labour has had 12 long years
and the have Fecked the Nation right up.

She set it up man, you know it. It could not be repaired, hence why Labour is so bad.

[Jords]

I know its about their religion and all, but I do find it very silly that they cant show their face till their married.

[InOne]

Originally Posted by Jords

I know its about their religion and all, but I do find it very silly that they cant show their face till their married.

They can't ever show their face, except infront of their husband.

[Jords]

Originally Posted by InOne

They can't ever show their face, except infront of their husband.

Really? I never knew that! Surely God, Allah, whoever they believe in wouldnt want it tbh? Its like their ashamed of their identity...

[InOne]

Originally Posted by Jords

Really? I never knew that! Surely God, Allah, whoever they believe in wouldnt want it tbh? Its like their ashamed of their identity...

It is not in the Quran, it was enforced by the taliban, and then adopted over here as a kind of '**** you' to our culture.

[Jords]

Originally Posted by InOne

It is not in the Quran, it was enforced by the taliban, and then adopted over here as a kind of '**** you' to our culture.

Woah, never knew this stuff, well then I agree that it should not be allowed, if they saw it that Allah or whoever said this is what they should do, you sort of just gotta respect it (I always thought this, not the taliban forcing it), but knowing this

[Stu]

You don't need an excuse to help people.

[InOne]

It just should not be allowed here. It is bad for the Women, kids and Society. It was a tool of opression in a country ruled by the Taliban. Why bring it over here i'll never know.

[Oldmansteptoe!]

Some of my friends have died fighting these terrorists, and I despise the fact that this country allows them the freedom they don't allow us
We have become a soft touch, democracy is something these people know how to exploit
There again at least these 'masks' allow me to know who to despise!!!
I doubt the Russians or Chinese let them take the mickey!!!

[Stu]

Originally Posted by Oldmansteptoe!

Some of my friends have died fighting these terrorists, and I despise the fact that this country allows them the freedom they don't allow us
We have become a soft touch, democracy is something these people know how to exploit
There again at least these 'masks' allow me to know who to despise!!!
I doubt the Russians or Chinese let them take the mickey!!!

Your friends, might I remind you, are fighting for this apparent 'freedom'. I don't agree with Burkas. On the whole, like the rest of Islam, I find it to be a fucking joke, but trying to deny people the right to wear them is a bit hypocritical.

I'm also somewhat surprised at the views WOMBAI is expressing. Anybody should be allowed practice a religion of there choice as long as it does not conflict with the interests of others. As much as I despise religion, it's stupid to try and censor there freedom to practice because that's just being hypocritical.

Of course taking WOMBAI's incredible logic, we should also kick out the atheists, because after all, if your talking about numbers and beliefs, atheism seems to directly contradict Britain's, as you put it, 'culture and religion'.

[WOMBAI]

Originally Posted by Stu

Your friends, might I remind you, are fighting for this apparent 'freedom'. I don't agree with Burkas. On the whole, like the rest of Islam, I find it to be a fucking joke, but trying to deny people the right to wear them is a bit hypocritical.

I'm also somewhat surprised at the views WOMBAI is expressing. Anybody should be allowed practice a religion of there choice as long as it does not conflict with the interests of others. As much as I despise religion, it's stupid to try and censor there freedom to practice because that's just being hypocritical.

Of course taking WOMBAI's incredible logic, we should also kick out the atheists, because after all, if your talking about numbers and beliefs, atheism seems to directly contradict Britain's, as you put it, 'culture and religion'.

I don't object, in theory, to people practicing the religion of their choice in this or any other country - as long as it doesn't conflict with the dominant religion/culture of that country in the way that the wearing of a burka in Britain conflicts with ours. The wearing of a burka does pose potential security issues, and as it is viewed by many (most of the female population for a start) as a symbol of oppression - allowing it would be as good as condoning it.

How does being an atheist compare with that! What special considerations do they require? People can believe or disbelieve all they like - that is not the issue.

I responded to a poster who implied that our objections to Muslim women wearing burkas etc justified Muslim hatred and retaliation. Most reasonable people would not agree with that. Why should we bend the rules or go against our principles of equality to suit their beliefs? They certainly wouldn't do it for us. We are not the bad guys here - as was implied - we are perfectly entitled to be a little less accommodating for other religions that condradict our way of life.

I am sure you will come back at me with your usual tirade of argumentative rhetoric. Be my guest.

[Stu]

Originally Posted by WOMBAI

I don't object, in theory, to people practicing the religion of their choice in this or any other country - as long as it doesn't conflict with the dominant religion/culture of that country - ie the wearing of a burka in Britain does pose potential security issues, and as it is viewed by many as a symbol of oppression, should not be condoned as a matter of principle.

How does being an atheist compare with that! What special considerations do they require? People can believe or disbelieve all they like - that is not the issue.

I responded to a poster who implied that our objections to Muslim women wearing burkas etc justified Muslim hatred and retaliation. Most reasonable people would not agree with that. Why should we bend the rules or go against our principles of equality to suit their beliefs? They certainly wouldn't do it for us. We are not the bad guys here - as was implied - we are perfectly entitled to be a little less accommodating for other religions that condradict our way of life.

I am sure you will come back at me with your usual tirade of argumentative rhetoric. Be my guest.

Actually no, that's fair enough, it's just the way your worded it. So no. No tired rhetoric. Still, nice to know I can pose questions to you in the serious debates forum free of any tired attempts at character judgment in a vein attempt to prelude and ridicule any argument I may have posted .

[NettoSuperstar!]

whoooooosh...thats the sound of sense and reason whizzing by! lol

[*mazedsalv**]

YES BAN THEM!!

The other week i saw a woman beside us sitting in her car driving with it on... how is that safe?? With it on, you cant see sideways, so it is generally making it very dangerous for her and others. You can only see directly, so what if a car is coming at the side but she cant see?

Okay i dont really see many people driving with their hoods up, but even so, hoodies only cover the head, people wearing hoodies can still see through their side view mirrors... people with the burka's cant.

[Wildcat!]

Originally Posted by *mazedsalv**

YES BAN THEM!!

The other week i saw a woman beside us sitting in her car driving with it on... how is that safe?? With it on, you cant see sideways, so it is generally making it very dangerous for her and others. You can only see directly, so what if a car is coming at the side but she cant see?

Okay i dont really see many people driving with their hoods up, but even so, hoodies only cover the head, people wearing hoodies can still see through their side view mirrors... people with the burka's cant.

LMAO!!!! Are you kidding me with this? Look at the picture from the OP, they have perfect peripheral vision! Someone wearing a hoodie does not!!! Put one on right now, and see how your peripheral vision is. The Burkha has no interference in your vision whatsoever. How ridiculous!!


YOu think someone dressed like this, has a better peripheral vision than the picture in the OP???
Use some common sense for gods sakes.

[*mazedsalv**]

Originally Posted by Wildcat!

LMAO!!!! Are you kidding me with this? Look at the picture from the OP, they have perfect peripheral vision! Someone wearing a hoodie does not!!! Put one on right now, and see how your peripheral vision is. The Burkha has no interference in your vision whatsoever. How ridiculous!!


YOu think someone dressed like this, has a better peripheral vision than the picture in the OP???
Use some common sense for gods sakes.

Okay maybe im swrong... but NO WAY is a hoodie just as dangerous. The burka covers more of the face making it worse to wear whilst driving. Anyway, ive hardly seen anyone stupid enough to wear a hoodie up while driving... it was hyperthetical.

[Wildcat!]

Originally Posted by *mazedsalv**

Okay maybe im swrong... but NO WAY is a hoodie just as dangerous. The burka covers more of the face making it worse to wear whilst driving. Anyway, ive hardly seen anyone stupid enough to wear a hoodie up while driving... it was hyperthetical.

So then, how are you wrong???
You say maybe youre wrong, but yet maintain that the Burkha is more dangerous?
How does covering your face interfere with your driving??? DO you think these through or.....

[WOMBAI]

Originally Posted by Wildcat!

LMAO!!!! Are you kidding me with this? Look at the picture from the OP, they have perfect peripheral vision! Someone wearing a hoodie does not!!! Put one on right now, and see how your peripheral vision is. The Burkha has no interference in your vision whatsoever. How ridiculous!!


YOu think someone dressed like this, has a better peripheral vision than the picture in the OP???
Use some common sense for gods sakes.

The difference is that a hood can be pulled down very easily for driving, etc. A burka cannot as the woman is not allowed to remove it - when there are any men around who might see her face.

[Wildcat!]

Originally Posted by WOMBAI

The difference is that a hood can be pulled down very easily for driving, etc. A burka cannot as the woman is not allowed to remove it - when there are any men around who might see her face.

The think is, it does not interfere with your vision whatsoever!! Period!

[Oldmansteptoe!]

As per usual an Irish person completely getting the wrong end of the stick!
This country is far to easy going , the enemy is within, where I live we have had suicide bombers, that is totally unacceptable in a democratic country!
This is a 'Christian country' and the word tolerance is often misused to allow intolerant people and terrorists to operate however they like
If people cannot or will not abide by the British way of life they should not be here!

[Wildcat!]

Originally Posted by Oldmansteptoe!

As per usual an Irish person completely getting the wrong end of the stick!
This country is far to easy going , the enemy is within, where I live we have had suicide bombers, that is totally unacceptable in a democratic country!
This is a 'Christian country' and the word tolerance is often misused to allow intolerant people and terrorists to operate however they like
If people cannot or will not abide by the British way of life they should not be here!

Christian country? LMAO!!!
Most of this country are atheiists!! HOw deluded are you thinking its a christian country. Please.

[WOMBAI]

Originally Posted by Wildcat!

Christian country? LMAO!!!
Most of this country are atheiists!! HOw deluded are you thinking its a christian country. Please.

You are missing the point! Its history and tradition are that of Christianity - which is the way most people want it to stay. In keeping with that - we have a culture and way of life we want to protect. Just as most other religions/cultures do - and that would apply to the Muslim religion more than most. They want to keep their identity and way of life - we want to keep ours. What is wrong with that. As they have chosen to live in our country - they should be prepared to adopt our way of life, within reason - not to expect us to constantly make allowances for them.