[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by arista

Yes Jack
more Wise than Kizzy

They got Rotherham I think which was a Labour stronghold yes, they got more conservative vote though in my opinion.... I can get facts if you really want some no need to be so rude.

[arista]

Kizzy Labour Voters have been Live on Radio and TV News
saying they voted UKIP.

Labour are not liked or trusted


No More Wise cracks

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by arista

Kizzy Labour Voters have been Live on Radio and TV News
saying they voted UKIP.

Labour are not liked or trusted


No More Wise cracks

They got plenty of votes considering thy aren't wise guy

[michael21]

Originally Posted by arista

Kizzy Labour Voters have been Live on Radio and TV News
*saying they voted UKIP.

Labour are not liked or trusted


No More Wise cracks

so where did you party come that right no where utter fact

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

They got Rotherham I think which was a Labour stronghold yes, they got more conservative vote though in my opinion.... I can get facts if you really want some no need to be so rude.

Hi Kizzy.
They didn't get Rotherham, thankfully Kizzy,they just took 10 seats on the Council.
8 from Labour and 2 from the Conservatives,thst still leaves Labour with 41 and a really big majority on the Council.

To hear the media however you'd think they had wiped all other parties out on Rotherham council.

In strongholds of any party, the only party you can take from are in the main the strongest party there.
It is a fact though,they took 10 seats on the Council but nothing else happened and nothing changed either.

[arista]

Yes 8 Joey
still a shock for Labour


Made My Day.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by arista

Yes 8 Joey
still a shock for Labour


Made My Day.

Rather selective arista, they took 8 seats off labour's 58, they also took half of the Conservatives 4 seats leaving them with only 2.
Labour on Rotherham council now have 50 seats, all the other parties put together, UKIP, Conservatives and the one Independent number 13 only.

Leaving Labour with a still thumping 37 overall majority control.
What then really changed with all respect apart form a fairly good showing in a solid and safe council for Labour that took UKIP nowhere really.

[Kyle]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

Hi Kizzy.
They didn't get Rotherham, thankfully Kizzy,they just took 10 seats on the Council.
8 from Labour and 2 from the Conservatives,thst still leaves Labour with 41 and a really big majority on the Council.

To hear the media however you'd think they had wiped all other parties out on Rotherham council.

In strongholds of any party, the only party you can take from are in the main the strongest party there.
It is a fact though,they took 10 seats on the Council but nothing else happened and nothing changed either.

Taking 10 seats off a town where you could stick a red rosette on a donkey and still expect to get a landslide is an achievement even if it doesn't change the council demographics too much.

Rotherham is well and truly pissed off with labour.

[Kizzy]

comin over ere... tekkin ar wimmim tekkin ar jobs.....

[Kyle]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

comin over ere... tekkin ar wimmim tekkin ar jobs.....

Thar wot love? Ya got summert ta say to me say it to ma face.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Kyle

Taking 10 seats off a town where you could stick a red rosette on a donkey and still expect to get a landslide is an achievement even if it doesn't change the council demographics too much.

Rotherham is well and truly pissed off with labour.

It doesn't however tell anything for the future or mean any real change. Rotherham was an area that moved against Labour, no doubt as to that, it was also an area that could have done so in a much bigger way than it did.
My guess is and it is only a guess,that Rotherham is still likely to remain Labour and that the seats lost to UKIP will gradually return.

For example,I recall some years ago wher,e I think it was Newcastle on Tyne,where the Lib Dems almost swept the board to turf Labour out of the Council,another area felt let down by Labour at the time.
The figures of the local results on thursday showed Labour, again and still, well and truly back in control of that council after the last 2 to 3 years of turning around that Lib Dem advance of the early 2000's then reclaiming it in 2011.
There will always be special local issues that influence voting in council elections which result in rises and falls.
What I was saying in the main was, while not taking away from UKIP the good results they got there in Rotherham, little will have really changed and I would be surprised if over the next Council elections that Labour don't begin to reverse those gains made.
Local elections are often very volatile,it is hard to read much into them.

Birmingham is another place too, which saw greta disillusionment with Labourwho were turfed out a good while ago, now that has been reversed and Labour solidly has control again.
The irony is that because UKIP took 8 seats from Labour in Rotherham, and did so ion many other areas too, that may well result in them being better councils for that happening.

[Kyle]

Aye your right I don't expect to see the trend continue too much unless Rotherham council really put their foot in it.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Kyle

Aye your right I don't expect to see the trend continue too much unless Rotherham council really put their foot in it.

In all honesty Kyle, I just wish councillors and MPs would just accept that they are there to serve the people not take them for granted.

It really dismays me as someone who loves and is really interested in politics, that once they have power it is more often than not that power becomes and is abused by an ever growing number of those elected,benefitting very few who actually voted for those in power of all parties,Councils or Governments.

Power to govern should be an honour and humbling not something ending in corruption and arrogance towards those who are asked to elect same.

[arista]

Yes many Labour Vote UKIP
because they do want want Ed

[Kyle]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

In all honesty Kyle, I just wish councillors and MPs would just accept that they are there to serve the people not take them for granted.

It really dismays me as someone who loves and is really interested in politics, that once they have power it is more often than not that power becomes and is abused by an ever growing number of those elected,benefitting very few who actually voted for those in power of all parties,Councils or Governments.

Power to govern should be an honour and humbling not something ending in corruption and arrogance towards those who are asked to elect same.

You should have gone into politics Joey. I'd have voted for you. Someone with decency and knows what being a 'civil servant' is all about. I feel sorry for the people that go into politics with the same mandate as yours, they only get tarred with the same brush by cynical people like me who just can't be doing with it all anymore.

[Nedusa]

Just caught up reading the posts on this thread, some good comments by Joeysteele who talks more sense than a lot of Politicians.

I think UKIP are the protest vote party for a variety of reasons not just a knee jerk reaction to percieved mass immigration.

More a general protest vote by voters of all main parties who are fed up with their party's leaders performance ie Nick Clegg and Ed Miliband and their Party's performance since the last election.

I still think the abscence of any referendum on Britains future in Europe is still the major factor for UKIP's success and I think given similar voting sentiments in other European Country's the leaders of the Govt's in these main European Countries may seek to open a debate on the future of the European Project.

Failure now to address this issue could cause some of these major political parties to lose huge numbers of votes to right and far right parties across Europe.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Nedusa

Just caught up reading the posts on this thread, some good comments by Joeysteele who talks more sense than a lot of Politicians.

I think UKIP are the protest vote party for a variety of reasons not just a knee jerk reaction to percieved mass immigration.

More a general protest vote by voters of all main parties who are fed up with their party's leaders performance ie Nick Clegg and Ed Miliband and their Party's performance since the last election.

I still think the abscence of any referendum on Britains future in Europe is still the major factor for UKIP's success and I think given similar voting sentiments in other European Country's the leaders of the Govt's in these main European Countries may seek to open a debate on the future of the European Project.

Failure now to address this issue could cause some of these major political parties to lose huge numbers of votes to right and far right parties across Europe.

Thank you very much Nedusa for your comment at the start of your post.

You raise an important point as to a referendum.
I myself didn't want a referendum on the UK as to the EU and if there were one, I would vote to stay in all the way.

I do however now think you are 100% right, I agree the absence of a referendum is likely in the main, the reason for UKIP's success.
I am now persuaded that there should be one with no excuses for not having one either once in Govt.

I believe the problem with the Conservative promise of a referendum is that voters do not believe David Cameron will deliver one. He is not trusted to deliver it.
He was only provisionally afforded support and trust,being the leader of the largest party, in 2010 by the voters and it saw them leaving him well short of absolute control. I believe he will not get absolute control again in 2015 as he is a leader also not now trusted as to his word.

Which is why I have said, and now would like to see, Ed Miliband help lance this boil too by saying he would too support a referendum and also hold one if he won power in 2015.
If they are serious about giving the voters what they want and are really listening, then that for me is the only way forward and the only way to deal effectively with the EU issue.
You have it spot on Nedusa I would say now, there needs to be a referendum on the issue.

I personally would hope that the UK would vote to stay in.
Whatever the result however of it, thenwhat it does is it removes at a stroke the status and need for UKIP in the main.
If the vote was to come out then UKIP's work is done.
If the vote is to stay in then UKIP have been soundly defeated by the voters.

With both David Cameron and Ed Miliband, if it comes about, agreeing to hold a referendum whoever wins, then maybe, just maybe we can have an election campaign in 2015 on the issues that really matter most.
The economy, welfare, employment,Education and my own main issue the NHS and even immigration.
Instead of having a campaign dominated by the EU that will come across as childishly pathetic, dividing the country and opening up even more doors for parties like UKIP to walk through.

As for Nick Clegg, the Lib Dems just will not get the message that the voters are angry with him and them for the things they have given support to, not because they joined a coalition with the Conservatives.

It is the betrayal of trust from Nick Clegg and co. against the voters who voted Lib Dem that is behind their unpopularity.
That is the reason I hope Nick Clegg stays as leader, he definitely should again face the voters in 2015 and let them give him and his party their verdict on them.
He has made them wait the full 5 years to be able to do so,while having his own new nice little status promotion of the title of Deputy PM.