[billy123]

Nobody is innocent in this mess. One side is suffering more though thats for sure but that doesnt clear them of any blame.
Walking through Manchester today hearing pro Hitler chants from a group of Free Palestine protestors aimed at a Jewish family owned Jewellers shop while the police just watched on turned my stomach. The family looked terrified locked inside with children.
This is in ****ing Manchester what have they done to deserve that. What has Manchester got to do with this conflict?
I felt so angry watching this play out.

The Hatred is so ingrained in both sides i dont see how it can end.
Israel hold most of the power surely its up to them to make the move towards ending it even under such provocation it has to be them that make a big step first but lets not underestimate the amount of provocation they are under.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by bobnot

Nobody is innocent in this mess. One side is suffering more though thats for sure but that doesnt clear them of any blame.
Walking through Manchester today hearing pro Hitler chants from a group of Free Palestine protestors aimed at a Jewish family owned Jewellers shop while the police just watched on turned my stomach. The family looked terrified locked inside with children.
This is in ****ing Manchester what have they done to deserve that. What has Manchester got to do with this conflict?
I felt so angry watching this play out.

The Hatred is so ingrained in both sides i dont see how it can end.
Israel hold most of the power surely its up to them to make the move towards ending it even under such provocation it has to be them that make a big step first but lets not underestimate the amount of provocation they are under.

your trivial tale is wholly irrelevant compared to 1000s of innocents murdered on the streets

[billy123]

Originally Posted by the truth

your trivial tale is wholly irrelevant compared to 1000s of innocents murdered on the streets

And who's opinion is relevant when compared to the deaths of anyone? Not your one eyed rubbish thats for sure.
There is just no need for it if you dont like it dont reply to it with a silly little sarcastic comment just ignore it.
Im flattered that you stalk me round the board and launch these petty attacks every few days but i made my feelings towards you quite clear a couple of days ago and thats not going to change any time soon.
Sorry Hun you are out of luck.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by bobnot

And who's opinion is relevant when compared to the deaths of anyone? Not your one eyed rubbish thats for sure.
There is just no need for it if you dont like it dont reply to it with a silly little sarcastic comment just ignore it.
Im flattered that you stalk me round the board and launch these petty attacks every few days but i made my feelings towards you quite clear a couple of days ago and thats not going to change any time soon.
Sorry Hun you are out of luck.

who hell are you? ive literally never noticed a word youve ever said, no offence....im talking about israel palestine and the end of the world, you seem to be talking about yourself which is a significantly smaller topic thats of zero interest.

[billy123]

Originally Posted by the truth

who hell are you? ive literally never noticed a word youve ever said, no offence....im talking about israel palestine and the end of the world, you seem to be talking about yourself which is a significantly smaller topic thats of zero interest.

Oh dear dont be so angry hun just try sticking to the topic.
It is very amusing that you claim not to know me when you pointlessly report my posts so often that it wastes peoples time on here.

[billy123]

Lets hope the ceasefire holds this time.
Although its not a big first step this time that in my opinion needs to be taken to try and fix this at least the deaths might slow.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-28654229

the truth (ironic name imo) might have had nothing but hate to offer to my previous post but the point was what i saw in Manchester yesterday just made me pause and re-evaluate what was happening instead of getting caught up in the purely pro Palestine fervour that seems to be the cool thing to do just now it just made me realise how much hate was coming from both sides.

Heres the group i saw and the dickhead guy that i saw spouting off yesterday at about 1:55 in the video he was 1 of 50 that were spewing the same hate.

Youtube video

[the truth]

Originally Posted by bobnot

Lets hope the ceasefire holds this time.
Although its not a big first step this time that in my opinion needs to be taken to try and fix this at least the deaths might slow.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-28654229

the truth (ironic name imo) might have had nothing but hate to offer to my previous post but the point was what i saw in Manchester yesterday just made me pause and re-evaluate what was happening instead of getting caught up in the purely pro Palestine fervour that seems to be the cool thing to do just now it just made me realise how much hate was coming from both sides.

Heres the group i saw and the dickhead guy that i saw spouting off yesterday at about 1:55 in the video he was 1 of 50 that were spewing the same hate.

Youtube video

are you justifying bombing hospitals and UN buildings and schools killing 100s and 100s of children?

id rather question israel at this stage, they have the power the bombs the money the US / UK support, theyre abusing their power on a massive scale

id rather question israels disgusting tactics, its far better than the populist radical pro zionism that got us into this mess to start with .........everyone knows theres 2 sides....the trouble is israels actions are totally disproportionate totally inhumane and ultimately self defeating...

[Christmas Dynasnow]

where do hamas get all the money for the rockets?

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

where do hamas get all the money for the rockets?

Iran i'm guessing. (probably Russia too)

[arista]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

where do hamas get all the money for the rockets?

They are gifts from America

Other nations like Qatar
get them from USA for their own stock
but they,
then give loads free to Hamas

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by arista

They are gifts from America

Other nations like Qatar
get them from USA for their own stock
but then give loads free to Hamas

and the UK isn't a mass arms dealer on the international stage? if you you are gonna start calling out arms dealers you must talk about the UK, BRO.

[arista]

Originally Posted by lostalex

and the UK isn't a mass arms dealer on the international stage? if you you are gonna start calling out arms dealers you must talk about the UK, BRO.

Sure arms are sold from the UK to Israel



But Americas missiles end up being fired at Israel
as other nations give the free to Hamas

[In the Drunk Tank]

The oil-rich Gulf state of Qatar’s influence has been widely felt during the ongoing Israel-Hamas conflict. While traditionally closely aligned with Iran, Hamas has pivoted to Sunni powers like Qatar and Turkey in recent years for economic and political support. Keen to expand its regional and international influence, Qatar’s ties to the Palestinian terrorist group have drawn increasing criticism from Israel, the United States, and even fellow Arab states like Egypt and Saudi Arabia, who accuse Qatar of undermining regional stability by supporting Hamas.

“Qatar is a very strange place. They rely on the U.S. for protection and invest heavily in the U.S.,” said Jonathan Schanzer, vice president for research at the Foundation for Defense of Democracies (FDD), noting that the U.S. has its largest Mideast airbase—Al-Udeid Air Base—in Qatar.

“[But] at the same time, just miles away from [the airbase], you can find the head of Hamas (Khaled Mashal), and there was even a Taliban embassy there for a while too. All of these things make for a foreign-policy anomaly,” Schanzer told JNS.org.
With the war raging in Gaza, Israeli leaders have begun to single out Qatar for its support of Hamas. During a meeting with U.N. Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon on July 23, now-former Israeli President Shimon Peres slammed Qatar for becoming “the world’s largest funder of terror.”

http://themoderatevoice.com/197426/g...Moderate+Voice)

[Christmas Dynasnow]

Originally Posted by MTVN

http://themoderatevoice.com/197426/g...Moderate+Voice)

and lets also give them the world cup as a reward

[Christmas Dynasnow]

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=aa6_1407249013

Hamas Assembles and Fires Rockets outside hotel
Hamas putting journalists, hotel guests and other civilians in danger.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=aa6_1407249013

Hamas Assembles and Fires Rockets outside hotel
Hamas putting journalists, hotel guests and other civilians in danger.

toy rockets that have only killed 1 person, compare dto the 1400+ bombed by the israels? even if hammas fires a toy rocket, the reaction to bomb hospitals schoools and UN buildings is 100 times too disproportionate, immoral, illegal and self defeating

[billy123]

Originally Posted by the truth

toy rockets that have only killed 1 person, compare dto the 1400+ bombed by the israels? even if hammas fires a toy rocket, the reaction to bomb hospitals schoools and UN buildings is 100 times too disproportionate, immoral, illegal and self defeating

That thing is no toy ffs.

[Christmas Dynasnow]

Originally Posted by the truth

toy rockets that have only killed 1 person, compare dto the 1400+ bombed by the israels? even if hammas fires a toy rocket, the reaction to bomb hospitals schoools and UN buildings is 100 times too disproportionate, immoral, illegal and self defeating

that, i am afraid, is not how war works

[GypsyGoth]

It's a tough situation, neither side is in the right.

The fact that Hamas knows Israel can kick their ass, well maybe they shouldn't provoke them. It's like having to live in the same cave as a bear, yet you continually prod the bear with a stick. And from what I know the Israel army are one of the best trained in the world.

Hamas should stop firing in rockets and try it's best to protect the citizens who voted for them.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by GypsyGoth

It's a tough situation, neither side is in the right.

The fact that Hamas knows Israel can kick their ass, well maybe they shouldn't provoke them. It's like having to live in the same cave as a bear, yet you continually prod the bear with a stick. And from what I know the Israel army are one of the best trained in the world.

Hamas should stop firing in rockets and try it's best to protect the citizens who voted for them.

That's a great post Gyps.

The eyes of the world are on Gaza, and the sympathy of the world is with the ordinary Palestinians trying to protect themselves and their families. if Hamas stopped the madness now there would be immense international pressure on Israel to stand down. Sadly I don't think that will happen.

[Christmas Dynasnow]

Originally Posted by Livia

That's a great post Gyps.

The eyes of the world are on Gaza, and the sympathy of the world is with the ordinary Palestinians trying to protect themselves and their families. if Hamas stopped the madness now there would be immense international pressure on Israel to stand down. Sadly I don't think that will happen.

Absolutely. If they were smart they could use the public to achieve their aims - the heartstrings are a far more powerful weapon than the rocket

dont poke the bear

[the truth]

its time for the israelis to give the palestinians their rights and their land and their right to be a country instead of terrorising these poor victims of their cruel opporession...israel is morally in the wrong from the start, it begins and ends with that fact.

[billy123]

Originally Posted by the truth

its time for the israelis to give the palestinians their rights and their land and their right to be a country instead of terrorising these poor victims of their cruel opporession...israel is morally in the wrong from the start, it begins and ends with that fact.

Firing rockets at them wont achieve that.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by bobnot

Firing rockets at them wont achieve that.

i agree....neither does diplomacy and 200+ countries voting for palestine to be a nation in its own right....the palestinians cant win theyve had their land and country stolen, their rights taken, their freedoms destroyed, their families either butchered and murdered or disabled for life.....and why? why do the poor palestinians have to pay for the sins of the nazis? how does that equate?

[Christmas Dynasnow]

Originally Posted by the truth

i agree....neither does diplomacy and 200+ countries voting for palestine to be a nation in its own right....the palestinians cant win theyve had their land and country stolen, their rights taken, their freedoms destroyed, their families either butchered and murdered or disabled for life.....and why? why do the poor palestinians have to pay for the sins of the nazis? how does that equate?

Israel is a reality

move on