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Right, the unborn baby is not human and it's up to the mum 19 35.85%
Right, the unborn baby is not human and it's up to the mum
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In most cases 12 22.64%
In most cases
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Only in exceptional circumstances (e.g. rape/disability) 6 11.32%
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Wrong, but it's still the mother's choice 7 13.21%
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Old 25-08-2014, 04:12 PM #1
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Default Abortion - right or wrong?

I know this thread has been done to death on here but the latest controversy over Richard Dawkin's comments on Down Syndrome got me thinking about the whole issue in a broader context, not just for disabled babies ... do you agree with abortion or do you disagree?
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I agree insomuch as it's the right of the woman to choose, and so long as it's done in the early stages, definitely under 12 weeks unless it's a medical emergency. I don't believe in abortion as a form of contraception and I don't believe in women being allowed repeated abortions.
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Their body, their choice. I don't think men should get much of a choice in the matter, we don't carry the child or the risks involved in doing so. Whether a woman wants to go through with a pregnancy or not is their choice and their choice alone.

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Their body, their choice. I don't think men should get much of a choice in the matter, we don't carry the child or the risks involved in doing so. Whether a woman wants to go through with a pregnancy or not is their choice and their choice alone.
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in right if rape or health risk, otherwise it is wrong and should be outlawed
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IMO it's totally wrong... I think there's a disgusting 'idea' if you will, that if people have unprotected sex, they thing 'well if worse comes to the worse, abortion'. I think people dont realise how wrong it is in most cases. It's so easy to get an abortion here, i know quite a few girls that have. and I personally think it's wrong.

However, I do think it's it's just as wrong to 'force' someone to have that baby. I guess I'd rather people 'abort' their unwanted baby, than raise a baby they never wanted.

I just wish these people who wanted to abort their babies would give adoption a thought. It rarely happens in this country and I think it's such a shame. I think a hell of a lot more needs to be done. My worst hate in the world is bad parents. Some people just shouldn't be them... I find that in most cases, the parents are the worst are ones who didn't plan on having them/hardly even like kids. I just wish they'd realise that kids aren't just something you can raise with having no clue about. You have to care about them and do everything you can for them... Anyway, that's going OT...

Too long didnt read - I don't really believe in it, but I think it's better than allowing people who might not handle being a parent, become a parent.
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IMO it's totally wrong... I think there's a disgusting 'idea' if you will, that if people have unprotected sex, they thing 'well if worse comes to the worse, abortion'. I think people dont realise how wrong it is in most cases. It's so easy to get an abortion here, i know quite a few girls that have. and I personally think it's wrong.

However, I do think it's it's just as wrong to 'force' someone to have that baby. I guess I'd rather people 'abort' their unwanted baby, than raise a baby they never wanted.

I just wish these people who wanted to abort their babies would give adoption a thought. It rarely happens in this country and I think it's such a shame. I think a hell of a lot more needs to be done. My worst hate in the world is bad parents. Some people just shouldn't be them... I find that in most cases, the parents are the worst are ones who didn't plan on having them/hardly even like kids. I just wish they'd realise that kids aren't just something you can raise with having no clue about. You have to care about them and do everything you can for them... Anyway, that's going OT...

Too long didnt read - I don't really believe in it, but I think it's better than allowing people who might not handle being a parent, become a parent.
Great post. Aborting a child is the cowards way out.
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Great post. Aborting a child is the cowards way out.
Spoken like a truly ignorant man who'll never know what it's like to be pregnant. Don't judge someone for their actions when you'll never be in their situation.

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Spoken like a truly ignorant man who'll never know what it's like to be pregnant. Don't judge someone for their actions when you'll never be in their situation.
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Spoken like a truly ignorant man who'll never know what it's like to be pregnant. Don't judge someone for their actions when you'll never be in their situation.
spoken like a truly ignorant person who doesnt care about the mass murder of millions of healthy babies, in addition to the pressure put on women to have abortions and the lack of time taken to offer them and the fathers time , counselling and support to show them all the options open to them, including adoption, shame on you

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spoken like a truly ignorant person who doesnt care about the mass murder of millions of healthy babies, in addition to the pressure put on women to have abortions and the lack of time taken to offer them and the fathers time , counselling and support to show them all the options open to them, including adoption, shame on you
At the point of being allowed to have an abortion, it isn't a baby, it hasn't got any sustainable advancement.. and the 'pressure' put on women to have abortions? I'm pretty sure no-one is pressured into having abortions.
The point of having an abortion is to put a stop to an unwanted pregnancy, so why would adoption be a better option for someone who doesn't want to go through with one?
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spoken like a truly ignorant person who doesnt care about the mass murder of millions of healthy babies, in addition to the pressure put on women to have abortions and the lack of time taken to offer them and the fathers time , counselling and support to show them all the options open to them, including adoption, shame on you
Shame on you for your wilfull ignorance and your continued misogyny. Once again, Embryos are not babies, they are a collection of non-sentient cells. They are about as close to being a baby as your fingernails are. Calling them babies just makes you sound like a fool.

Stop trying to sound like you care about the women in these situations, we all know that you don't. You have no understanding of this situation and it's obvious by how blindingly moronic your posts are.
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I would never want to drive abortion into the backstreets where it was before it as legalised. I also believe every child should be a wanted child. We've already got thousands of unwanted and neglected children in care. People who spent time and energy campaigning against abortion might to better to raise their flag in that particular battle instead and make sure children who are already here are not pushed from pillar to post, unloved, unwanted and neglected.

As for the adoption solution... very few women choose that option, although it seems to be the one men support most. And it's not hard to see the reason why. And as for doing it for same sex and childless couples... if they really - really - want a child, there are enough unwanted children begging for someone to love them.
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IMO it's totally wrong... I think there's a disgusting 'idea' if you will, that if people have unprotected sex, they thing 'well if worse comes to the worse, abortion'. I think people dont realise how wrong it is in most cases. It's so easy to get an abortion here, i know quite a few girls that have. and I personally think it's wrong.

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Too long didnt read - I don't really believe in it, but I think it's better than allowing people who might not handle being a parent, become a parent.
I agree with this
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you agree its better to kill the baby just in case the parent isnt a very good parent? what kind of logic is that?
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you agree its better to kill the baby just in case the parent isnt a very good parent? what kind of logic is that?
you said i had a great post on the first page???
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you said i had a great post on the first page???
you did but i cant believe what you agreed to on the 2nd page , this particula line

" I think it's better than allowing people who might not handle being a parent, become a parent"
you agreed with this????

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you agree its better to kill the baby just in case the parent isnt a very good parent? what kind of logic is that?
If a woman gets pregnant when she doesn't want a baby, wouldn't it be better to abort it (considering it isn't a fully formed "baby" yet) ..rather than giving birth to it knowing she doesn't want it, probably not giving it the love it deserves, and possibly neglecting it?
"Kill the baby" what a pathetic attempt at guilt-tripping
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If a woman gets pregnant when she doesn't want a baby, wouldn't it be better to abort it (considering it isn't a fully formed "baby" yet) ..rather than giving birth to it knowing she doesn't want it, probably not giving it the love it deserves, and possibly neglecting it?
"Kill the baby" what a pathetic attempt at guilt-tripping
no. if shes healthy and not been raped, have the baby and have it adopted. at least that way you dont kill the baby and it gets a chance to live.
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I AM PRO-CHOICE

Doesn't need to be if health risks or rape. If you are not ready to bring a baby into this world and you feel for you abortion is right then do it if you want to. It would be better if you just used protection but if you ever find yourself in this situation then at least after it all, don't get yourself in it again.
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oh and before people jump on me for saying that it's easy enough to get an abortion, I mean to go to the doctors and ask for one. Not the actual process... i imagine that cant be very nice.
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I am an adoptee, so I guess I'm glad my mother didn't believe it was the right thing to do!

Saying that, I am 100% pro-choice, with more or less the provisos Livia has already expressed.
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I am an adoptee, so I guess I'm glad my mother didn't believe it was the right thing to do!

Saying that, I am 100% pro-choice, with more or less the provisos Livia has already expressed.
if it had been left to the devices of many on here you would have been killed in the womb and never had achance to live or get adopted. You need to seriously think long and hard about that monumental life or death fact
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if it had been left to the devices of many on here you would have been killed in the womb and never had achance to live or get adopted. You need to seriously think long and hard about that monumental life or death fact
And I would have known nothing about it because I would not have been a sentient being.
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