[Vicky.]

Most abortions (around 90%) are carried out before a pregnancy reaches 13 weeks, and virtually all abortions (around 98%) are performed before 20 weeks.

http://www.nhs.uk/Conditions/Abortio...t-be-done.aspx

I would bet my house on the 2% that are done after the 20 week mark being because of medical reasons... also that the massive majority of the 10% done after 13 weeks are for medical reasons too..given that thats around when you get the anomaly tests done..

[the truth]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Again, I never even said that...

you more than inferred it. very fickle, this is pro life is massive massive issue you should treat it more seriously and not get dissuaded by trivialities

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by the truth

you more than inferred it. very fickle, this is pro life is massive massive issue you should treat it more seriously and not get dissuaded by trivialities

No. What I said is I understand the pro-life stance completely. Not to say I agree with it completely, as I lean more towards pro-choice..however I think the limit should be drastically lowered (mind I don't think it would make much difference as most are carried out before 13 weeks anyway) and I disagree with multiple abortions..though I'm not quite sure how we could get around that as again its a case of forcing people to go through pregnancies they do not want. I'm not totally against the idea of sterilization for people who view abortion as a contraceptive and have loads of them actually, but thats another issue entirely.

Dissuaded by trivialities..nothing I read on this forum would EVER change my view, especially on a massive issue like this. My point was more along the line of you don't come across as pro-life at all, more pro-repetitive pretty much copy and pasted drivel. Others can debate about the subject and put their views across well, you just repeat the same thing over and over, and argue against points that noone even made.

So no...not fickle at all.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

No. What I said is I understand the pro-life stance completely. Not to say I agree with it completely, as I lean more towards pro-choice..however I think the limit should be drastically lowered (mind I don't think it would make much difference as most are carried out before 13 weeks anyway) and I disagree with multiple abortions..though I'm not quite sure how we could get around that as again its a case of forcing people to go through pregnancies they do not want. I'm not totally against the idea of sterilization for people who view abortion as a contraceptive and have loads of them actually, but thats another issue entirely.

Dissuaded by trivialities..nothing I read on this forum would EVER change my view, especially on a massive issue like this. My point was more along the line of you don't come across as pro-life at all, more pro-repetitive pretty much copy and pasted drivel. Others can debate about the subject and put their views across well, you just repeat the same thing over and over, and argue against points that noone even made.

So no...not fickle at all.

trivial petty attack, a lot of it repetitive too. ill rise above your pettiness and agree that things need to change. 24 week abortions is horrific. the support given to parents is sub standard a point ive made endlessly yet you've deliberately ignored yet again. its this sub standard support in the nhs that's a huge part of the reason we see so many rushed abortions on this unprecedented scale.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by the truth

trivial petty attack, a lot of it repetitive too. ill rise above your pettiness and agree that things need to change. 24 week abortions is horrific. the support given to parents is sub standard a point ive made endlessly yet you've deliberately ignored yet again. its this sub standard support in the nhs that's a huge part of the reason we see so many rushed abortions on this unprecedented scale.

Really? Maybe try reading back as I agreed with you about that too

[Northern Monkey]

I would only allow it for genuine medical reasons or rape victims.In the case of medical reasons the father also needs to be consulted,You can't just go killing a mans child without his consent.Abortion should NOT be used as contraception,That is disgusting.Don't get pregnant if you can't take responsibilty for your child.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by EyeballPaul

I would only allow it for genuine medical reasons or rape victims.In the case of medical reasons the father also needs to be consulted,You can't just go killing a mans child without his consent.Abortion should NOT be used as contraception,That is disgusting.Don't get pregnant if you can't take responsibilty for your child.

Really? Eventhough it's the mother who's in medical danger not the father

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Really? Eventhough it's the mother who's in medical danger not the father

Sorry,i meant if a disability is detected at a scan.Obviously if the woman is in any danger then she should have the full authority to choose.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by EyeballPaul

Sorry,i meant if a disability is detected at a scan.Obviously if the woman is in any danger then she should have the full authority to choose.

ah ok

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

ah ok

I would have probably had a more pro choice view a few years back but since becoming a dad i feel differently.Kids are'nt toys,They are people,Their life should be respected imo.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by EyeballPaul

I would have probably had a more pro choice view a few years back but since becoming a dad i feel differently.Kids are'nt toys,They are people,Their life should be respected imo.

I agree

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Z

Yes. I know a girl who's had two abortions - the first time, she was devastated at what she had done and traumatised by the physical pain of it and everyone really felt for her. Then she got pregnant again and went through it a second time and no one felt sorry for her. I sort of feel like if you're just going to be irresponsible, you shouldn't be allowed to have this get out of jail free card of having an abortion whenever you accidentally get knocked up, but there's no way you could ever put some kind of "limit" on how many abortions a person can have because there are so many reasons why a woman might get one... unwanted pregnancy from casual sex, unwanted pregnancy from being raped, something wrong with the foetus... I don't know. It's just too difficult to say firmly either way what's right or wrong.

In the case of the girl I know, if she's irresponsible enough to have gotten pregnant and not wanted it twice (and even then, saying "irresponsible" is quite a loaded term and sounds like only the female is to blame - it takes two to tango... or more than two if you're into that kind of thing) then would she be fit to be a mother? Probably not... but people rise to the occasion. As a man, I don't feel it's my place to have strong views on abortion, it's an experience I will never physically go through and therefore I don't think it's really my business.

Be careful your straying into Richard Dawkins territory...
I didn't say or infer anyone was irresponsible sorry if it sounded like I did, I appreciate there are many contributory factors to the decision to terminate a pregnancy. I only wanted to highlight that it's something that changes you forever I've known 3 women who have aborted a pregnancy and none are the same for it.
You may not physically experience it, I haven't yet we can still have an opinion and be empathic can't we?

[AnnieK]

When I was 18 two of my closest friends got pregnant and spoke to my mum about it. For different reasons they both couldn't speak to their own mums. One of them kept the baby, the other didn't. My mum was quite affected by talking to my friend who decided to terminate and said she definitely made the harder decision.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by AnnieK

When I was 18 two of my closest friends got pregnant and spoke to my mum about it. For different reasons they both couldn't speak to their own mums. One of them kept the baby, the other didn't. My mum was quite affected by talking to my friend who decided to terminate and said she definitely made the harder decision.

what does harder mean here?

[JoellHamby]

definitely very wrong one. you have to think first otherwise take how it goes

[lostalex]

I said in most cases just because I don't think abortion is okay for instance just because the parents want a son and they find out it's a girl, or if in the future there was a test to see if the child would be gay, obviously that's not right. but in MOST cases i think abortion should be totally okay. i don't believe a person is a person unless they can be an individual, and fetuses are not individuals, they are parasites.

In the end though, it is a woman's body, and everyone should have individual rights over their own body.

[Z]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Be careful your straying into Richard Dawkins territory...
I didn't say or infer anyone was irresponsible sorry if it sounded like I did, I appreciate there are many contributory factors to the decision to terminate a pregnancy. I only wanted to highlight that it's something that changes you forever I've known 3 women who have aborted a pregnancy and none are the same for it.
You may not physically experience it, I haven't yet we can still have an opinion and be empathic can't we?

It's a fact though isn't it, some women will choose to terminate a pregnancy if they're informed that there are health concerns with the foetus or with the woman herself, I don't think I'm straying into Richard Dawkins territory, it's just a simple fact. No I don't think you were inferring that at all, I was just rambling really and yeah of course we can be empathetic but I don't feel that as a man, I have any real right to tell you as a woman what you can and can't do with your body, abortion links into all sorts of other issues in that sense. I can have an opinion on it, of course, but I feel that it's an issue for women to decide upon and men to respect the outcome.