[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

To prevent ourselves from becoming a target we shouldn't go to their countries and try to force them to change their ways, because then they're coming over to the UK, France, or whatever country you can think of that tries to force them to change their ways and these terrorist groups bomb the **** out of the country because they are getting angry about my point above.

The best thing to do now though would be for May to enter negotiations with ISIS and hope that the same thing happens there as what happened with the IRA.

"negotiations with ISIS"

They want us become part of their Islamic state.They want the world to convert to Islam and for the ISIS flag to be flying over Westminster.

WTF are you going to offer them?

[Northern Monkey]

So say we pulled out of Iraq and Syria.Then say France pulls out,The the US pulls out and Russia pulls out.
This Islamic State will just keep growing and growing and becoming more powerful with more resources,money and technology.
Then we still have to go back and deal with it and it is ten times harder.Letting this fester and grow would be the worst thing the west could do.They would have drawn their own borders and created a caliphate the size of a country.

[smudgie]

Seeing as how so many people have to be kept under surveillance etc, perhaps it is time for families to take account.
Deport the whole family back to country of origin if the parents are from a foreign country, maybe it will help.
We obviously can't do it with bullets, we can't do it with negotiations, so we are only left with defending ourselves from the radicals/ terrorists.
Obviously law abiding none murdering scum are welcome.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by smudgie

Seeing as how so many people have to be kept under surveillance etc, perhaps it is time for families to take account.
Deport the whole family back to country of origin if the parents are from a foreign country, maybe it will help.
We obviously can't do it with bullets, we can't do it with negotiations, so we are only left with defending ourselves from the radicals/ terrorists.
Obviously law abiding none murdering scum are welcome.

Couldn't agree more smudgie!

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

What is the solution? How can we possibly get ISIS around a table and talk? Most of us balk at that idea, and its hard to see how anything could be achieved even if we did, but if we don't, honestly, what is going to happen? If we don't change our strategy it will keep on and keep on and keep on happening and I, just like you, don't want to see more deaths.

I am simply saying, why are we talking like a broken record that keeps saying the same thing over and over again when this kind of thing keeps happening over and over again, without stopping to look at this seriously?

How can you have a chat with someone who doesn't respect your way of life and would prefer to see us all dead. Talking to Daesh is simply not a feasible option.

[the truth]

how on earth havent we tightened our borders decades ago? how has europe still got all open unchecked borders across 30 odd nations? its absolute insanity.

[Kazanne]

You can't 'talk' to these people they get no virgins for that,they have the mindset their way is right,their religion is right and their culture is right,there is no inbetween with them, maybe if Tony Blair hadn't have taken us into a war the wasn't needed things would be different I don't know,but they way we have handled things has left us in some deep ****.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by the truth

how on earth havent we tightened our borders decades ago? how has europe still got all open unchecked borders across 30 odd nations? its absolute insanity.

Because we cant be seen to be 'racist' can we? Nothing to do with wanting the best for our citizens by sifting the bad seeds out,we just have to be 'nice,polite and politically correct.

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by Glenn.

By the sounds of it he was able to flit to and from Libya. Again why?

I have to agree with you Glenn, why isn't this being flagged when someone who is known is travelling to places where there are centres of radicalisation.

I mentioned the other day that a member of my family is in a relationship with someone from a non EU country. They met at work on a job where they are travelling and make short stops, including to the UK. She was going to come for a visit at the end of her last contract and stay with our family but the Visa was refused because she works on contracts and couldn't prove she had a job to go back to, employers are arseholes who won't give a letter explaining even though she's worked there for five years.

She went back to work and was due a stop over to the UK. Was called to an office and grilled by immigration because of the previously refused holiday visa. They gave her a passport stamp after saying she was ok to enter the UK for her stopover, then grilled her for an hour for a second stopover a few days later. She is from an Asian country.

If immigration can harrass a nice young girl like this who has a clean record and just wants to spend time with her boyfriend, why are people they know might be dodgy waltzing in and out of Syria, Libya and Iraq?

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

I'm going to be frank and some people won't like this but if we don't speak frankly, we stagnate and just go round in an endless circle. Let me just start by saying, I think a lot of these 'false flag' suggestions are bollocks. I know people can make a conspiracy out of anything. I remain open minded about the death of Princess Diana and the twin towers. I don't believe those who say they have proof that we never walked on the moon but I do believe Monroe's death was suspicious.

The day before this recent atrocity, a colleague at work suggested there would be a terrorist atrocity before June 8th. I asked why he believed this but he remained tight lipped. When this terrorist attack happened, all I could think about was this colleagues prediction. I asked him about it yesterday and he feels certain it was a government act.

Let me just say, I disagree with him. No government would stoop so low... would they?

His words opened my curiosity though and so last night, I decided to trawl through some political forums that are normally out of my league and see what members from parties other than the Tory party were talking about. It surprised me that people, were being so openly cynical about other possibilities. Was this ISIS or was it a well timed move by, not the government, but those funding the Tory party? The coffers from the middle east who are sending Łhundreds of millions to the Tories, who in turn promises unprecedented government support for the fossil fuel industry.

Another thing I picked up on is, to say such things publicly is to be monsterized by the blowhard press. We're simply not allowed to talk about this and anyone who dares to pass comment, will be jumped upon and an apology demanded.

Why?
why can't we talk about these possibilities?

I think that is a vile conspiracy theory that shouldn't even be given breath time and throwing it around is little more than enabling terrorists. It's one thing to dislike a different branch of politics but quite another form of madness to accuse them of genocide to win an election.

[Withano]

http://metro.co.uk/2017/05/24/ex-uki...mbers-6658334/

Ex-Ukip MEP calls suggests the death penalty for suicide bombers

[smudgie]

Originally Posted by Withano

http://metro.co.uk/2017/05/24/ex-uki...mbers-6658334/

Ex-Ukip MEP calls suggests the death penalty for suicide bombers

Hmmmmmm, is that after they have been scraped up.
Perhaps bringing the death penalty back for all treasonable offences might work better.
To think it was still on the law books until 1988 .

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by jaxie

I think that is a vile conspiracy theory that shouldn't even be given breath time and throwing it around is little more than enabling terrorists. It's one thing to dislike a different branch of politics but quite another form of madness to accuse them of genocide to win an election.

I'm not sure if May was involved as there is no evidence to suggest that she was, but is it a coincidence that the terrorist attack happened not long after the Tories manifesto was released and that the lead was starting to get slimmer and slimmer? Maybe or maybe not.

[RichardG]

Originally Posted by jaxie

I think that is a vile conspiracy theory that shouldn't even be given breath time and throwing it around is little more than enabling terrorists. It's one thing to dislike a different branch of politics but quite another form of madness to accuse them of genocide to win an election.

this

not one person in government, or funding the government, or anyone with any interest in the government was involved in this. it was the usual terrorist scum, and the only relation to the upcoming election could be if they wanted to disrupt it in any way by timing the attack just before it.

if anything i think it's kind of disrespectful to the victims to be turning this into a ridiculous political conspiracy theory.

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

I'm not sure if May was involved as there is no evidence to suggest that she was, but is it a coincidence that the terrorist attack happened not long after the Tories manifesto was released and that the lead was starting to get slimmer and slimmer? Maybe or maybe not.

Yes a complete coincidence. Don't be ridiculous and stop disrespecting the dead.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by RichardG

this

not one person in government, or funding the government, or anyone with any interest in the government was involved in this. it was the usual terrorist scum, and the only relation to the upcoming election could be if they wanted to disrupt it in any way by timing the attack just before it.

if anything i think it's kind of disrespectful to the victims to be turning this into a ridiculous political conspiracy theory.

BIB, tbf I'd like to think that people would be suspicious at any party that was losing their lead in the Election and then a terrorist attack happened that killed loads of children happened not long afterwards that 99.99% ensures their victory at the Election as people don't want change in a crisis like this.

May is very likely to be innocent tbf, but it's always good to question and look at the convenient timing of the attack.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by jaxie

Yes a complete coincidence. Don't be ridiculous and stop disrespecting the dead.

How is it ridiculous and disrespecting the dead for pointing out that there could be more to it?

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

How is it ridiculous and disrespecting the dead for pointing out that there could be more to it?

If you think about it, you'll get there eventually.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by jaxie

If you think about it, you'll get there eventually.

If you think about it you'll realise that you're going overly sensitive about something that is marginally possible.

I'm not even saying that May was involved in the terror attack, because the terrorist would be very likely to grass her up as they'd have nothing to lose, I'm just pointing out though that the timing is convenient and I can understand why people would be suspicious, and if you take away the emotional element out of it and think about it more clinically for a second you would notice it too.

[RichardG]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

BIB, tbf I'd like to think that people would be suspicious at any party that was losing their lead in the Election and then a terrorist attack happened that killed loads of children happened not long afterwards that 99.99% ensures their victory at the Election as people don't want change in a crisis like this.

May is very likely to be innocent tbf, but it's always good to question and look at the convenient timing of the attack.

we are not living in 1930s soviet russia, we do not assassinate people before elections to get our own way.

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by RichardG

we are not living in 1930s soviet russia, we do not assassinate people before elections to get our own way.

Not to mention all the people in the know who would have to be kept quiet and how you'd pay someone to kill themselves. It's the most ridiculous and disrespectful thing I've heard in days I don't know what's wrong with people to say such a thing.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by RichardG

we are not living in 1930s soviet russia, we do not assassinate people before elections to get our own way.

I said that it's not likely, but it's not impossible either, I wish I could say that but the evidence just doesn't rule it out entirely.

My own personal opinion though is that I put faith that our leaders wouldn't do such a thing, maybe I'm being too naive I don't know, but even May wouldn't risk crossing that line in case she was to get caught.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by jaxie

Not to mention all the people in the know who would have to be kept quiet and how you'd pay someone to kill themselves. It's the most ridiculous and disrespectful thing I've heard in days I don't know what's wrong with people to say such a thing.

So you'd rather people lie and say that it's impossible for the Government that was losing momentum in all of the polls to have setup something that secures their Election? As I said I don't think that May or the Tories would risk something like that, but how is it impossible or in poor taste for people to see it differently? It would be like saying that people who suspect that the Royal Family tookout Princess Diana is disrespectful even though there is really strong evidence to suggest otherwise in their case.

[VanessaFeltz.]

stop selling guns

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

I'm not sure if May was involved as there is no evidence to suggest that she was, but is it a coincidence that the terrorist attack happened not long after the Tories manifesto was released and that the lead was starting to get slimmer and slimmer? Maybe or maybe not.

I'm shocked if anyone gives this theory or idea creedence tbh.