[Daniel.]

So terrible RIP.

[JTM45]

It's truly heart-warming too see such a diverse community sticking together and helping each other in such horrendous circumstances. They're saying that the help they're getting from local people and local businesses is incredible!

THIS is Great Britain at its very best and it gives me a real sense of pride to be part of it.

[jennyjuniper]

These huge tower blocks have never been anything but a bad idea. They stick old people on the top floors and they become isolated. People with small children are no better off. No building where people live should be above the length of the longest fire brigade ladder. Those poor souls.

[JTM45]

I agree Jenny.
Imagine older or even disabled people (they mentioned a wheelchair bound resident of the block yesterday) stuck up on anything above the second storey!
They probably never leave their flats and if they don't have relatives or care-workers (which, as we know, are very difficult to even get these days) then they're inevitably going to become completely isolated and neglected. Very, very sad indeed.

It does sound like there's a fantastic community of people living in this block wholook out for their neighbours but you can bet this isn't the case in a lot of these tower blocks.

[JTM45]

Apparently there's 4000 of these Tower Blocks throught the UK.

Theresa May's new advisor Gavin Barwell was tasked with reviewing Tower Block safety and fire regulations but chose to sit on these reccomendations and the Cons even attempted to roll back housing safety regulations to cut costs. That's on top of Boris championing and even suceeding in closing a number of Fire Stations across London.

If they hadn't been somewhat rumbled because of their recent election balls-up and they'd in fact got the massive landslide result that was thankfully denied can you imagine the crapthey'd have steam-rollered in ? And we would have been completely and utterly powerless to stop them.

Thank **** enough people put their votes elsewhere. As bad as we thought it could have been i don't think we even had a clue about just how bad it would have actually turned out.

This cannot be allowed to happen again!!! They just had a fire safety officer on the BBC News and he had some of the insulation (looked kinda' like polystyrene) that's put under the fascia boards that were on this tower block and he lit it and it was like a one of those gas living room fires once it was lit. How on Earth was this stuff ever passed as suitable for use ??

[Vanessa]

Originally Posted by JTM45

Apparently there's 4000 of these Tower Blocks throught the UK.

Theresa May's new advisor Gavin Barwell was tasked with reviewing Tower Block safety and fire regulations but chose to sit on these reccomendations and the Cons even attempted to roll back housing safety regulations to cut costs. That's on top of Boris championing and even suceeding in closing a number of Fire Stations across London.

If they hadn't been somewhat rumbled because of their recent election balls-up and they'd in fact got the massive landslide result that was thankfully denied can you imagine the crapthey'd have steam-rollered in ? And we would have been completely and utterly powerless to stop them.

Thank **** enough people put their votes elsewhere. As bad as we thought it could have been i don't think we even had a clue about just how bad it would have actually turned out.

This cannot be allowed to happen again!!! They just had a fire safety officer on the BBC News and he had some of the insulation (looked kinda' like polystyrene) that's put under the fascia boards that were on this tower block and he lit it and it was like a one of those gas living room fires once it was lit. How on Earth was this stuff ever passed as suitable for use ??

Yes. I hope they review the safety of all these block of flats. At least it would prevent other fires.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by JTM45

Apparently there's 4000 of these Tower Blocks throught the UK.

Theresa May's new advisor Gavin Barwell was tasked with reviewing Tower Block safety and fire regulations but chose to sit on these reccomendations and the Cons even attempted to roll back housing safety regulations to cut costs. That's on top of Boris championing and even suceeding in closing a number of Fire Stations across London.

If they hadn't been somewhat rumbled because of their recent election balls-up and they'd in fact got the massive landslide result that was thankfully denied can you imagine the crapthey'd have steam-rollered in ? And we would have been completely and utterly powerless to stop them.

Thank **** enough people put their votes elsewhere. As bad as we thought it could have been i don't think we even had a clue about just how bad it would have actually turned out.

This cannot be allowed to happen again!!! They just had a fire safety officer on the BBC News and he had some of the insulation (looked kinda' like polystyrene) that's put under the fascia boards that were on this tower block and he lit it and it was like a one of those gas living room fires once it was lit. How on Earth was this stuff ever passed as suitable for use ??

Oh,here we go !!!

[JTM45]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

Oh,here we go !!!

If it's what's being reported as part of the story about the on-going Grenfell Tower Block disaster report on the News (real BBC News!) do younot think it's relevant to discuss ?

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by JTM45

If it's what's being reported as part of the story about the on-going Grenfell Tower Block disaster report on the News (real BBC News!) do younot think it's relevant to discuss ?

Not yet,there are still people missing in there,surely the blame game can wait .

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

Not yet,there are still people missing in there,surely the blame game can wait .

I notice you had no problem with LT mentioning immigration earlier in the thread, though. Funny that.

[JTM45]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

Not yet,there are still people missing in there,surely the blame game can wait .

The residents and people from the community are discussing it so it's nothing to do with a blame 'game' at all. It's about the people who have been affected by this want some accountability.

These people, some of whom still have relatives and friends missing, are angry that they're finding out that the authorities and ministers were given recomendations about installing sprinkler systems four years ago and they've done nothing!

[Brother Leon]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

Not yet,there are still people missing in there,surely the blame game can wait .

I understand you fully, but considering the people that were effected were screaming similar things on the road then it's very fair. The whole area is angry towards a large number of people. This was an avoidable tragedy.

Anyway, we housed a few people we met yesterday that had no where to go. Absolutely heartwrenching when they would sometimes just breakdown after realising just what is happening and how much has been lost.

[DouglasS]

I feel so bad for these people its awful, I can't imagine what they felt being trapped in the building waiting for help that never came

[smudgie]

Absolutely tragic.
No hope of finding anybody else alive now.

[DemolitionRed]

These tower blocks act like chimneys in a fire. Fire will of travelled up the lift shafts, the stairs and the rubbish shoots.

Another thing is double glazing. Because fire searches for oxygen and doesn't have as much oxygen to fuel it in a double glazed building, it works its way upwards much quicker than it would otherwise. People above the fire opening windows would of been another reason for the fire spreading so quickly.

A thank you to BL for doing your bit in these tragic circumstances.

[arista]

Dogs to go in today , with the Fire Crew
should help locate bodies

[Crimson Dynamo]

Surely by now we must know how many are dead. Relatives will know now if a loved one is a resident and they have not heard from them in the last 24 hours etc?

[Vanessa]

Two Italians are among the missing. Hope they managed to escape. Such a tragedy, I feel for everyone involved.

[Tom4784]

They need to look at Tower Blocks across the map and make sure they are all up to code because there's almost certainly gonna be more companies that are cutting corners on safety and prevention.

[smudgie]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

They need to look at Tower Blocks across the map and make sure they are all up to code because there's almost certainly gonna be more companies that are cutting corners on safety and prevention.

Definitely.
From the look of it, the first thing would be to strip all this fascia that appears to be the cause of the speed the fire spread.
No good spending nearly Ł10 million tarting a tower block up when there were so many other issues and safety features that could have been improved on.
Perhaps the fire exit availability also needs to be looked at, in normal circumstances a fire can be better contained, therefore the procedure is to stay in your own flat unless in obvious danger from a spread of the fire, unfortunately this fire was mainly spread from the outside and had no chance of being under control.
Take away the risk of it happening again from the outside of the building and then create external escape exits from every floor.
One fire exit can't work, the fire brigade have to use the same stairwell to gain access and with so many people needing to vacate the building at the same time it is catastrophic.
A sprinkle system should be made law, surely it would make a massive difference to the possibility of surviving a fire.

[Vanessa]

Firefighters are still working on the fire. Month end news now

[Vanessa]

It's nice to see the community coming together after this tragedy. Heartwarming.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Vanessa

It's nice to see the community coming together after this tragedy. Heartwarming.

Yes,it's lovely,brings a tear to your eyes.

[smudgie]

I think it is going to be very difficult to put an exact figure on fatalities.
People could have been visiting family, staying over or on holiday.
I don't really know the possibility of checking dental records, a fire burning so long at that intensity could diminish this possibility.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by smudgie

I think it is going to be very difficult to put an exact figure on fatalities.
People could have been visiting family, staying over or on holiday.
I don't really know the possibility of checking dental records, a fire burning so long at that intensity could diminish this possibility.

Wouldn't the landlord/council have a tenents list,that would help as for any other people in there visitors etc,that could be difficult