[Kazanne]

I really hope he recovers, doesn't his partner have it too ��

[arista]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

I really hope he recovers, doesn't his partner have it too ��

Yes she is also has it.

[arista]

[arista]

[arista]

[user104658]

He has potentially hindered his recovery by staying in charge of government... I was reading earlier about the links between sleep, adrenaline and fever. Basically when you have a fever, it tends to "break" when you're in a relaxed deep-sleep state and the process is held back by high adrenaline levels. Essentially if you don't let yourself relax when you're ill, the fever can fail to break, your immune system doesn't operate anywhere near full capacity, and that massively increases the risk of developing a secondary infection (like pneumonia). That's why they start to be concerned when people's temp is still up at 7 days. Ideally, if your immune system is doing its job, it should be down within 3 - 5 days.

Basically the stress and probably sleep deprivation that comes with being PM may well be part of what's stopped him from making a timely recovery.

[thesheriff443]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

He has potentially hindered his recovery by staying in charge of government... I was reading earlier about the links between sleep, adrenaline and fever. Basically when you have a fever, it tends to "break" when you're in a relaxed deep-sleep state and the process is held back by high adrenaline levels. Essentially if you don't let yourself relax when you're ill, the fever can fail to break, your immune system doesn't operate anywhere near full capacity, and that massively increases the risk of developing a secondary infection (like pneumonia). That's why they start to be concerned when people's temp is still up at 7 days. Ideally, if your immune system is doing its job, it should be down within 3 - 5 days.

Basically the stress and probably sleep deprivation that comes with being PM may well be part of what's stopped him from making a timely recovery.

That’s pure speculation, the truth is some get the virus worse than others.

[bots]

i don't think anyone should be complacent that catches this virus, it's shown itself to be too deadly. This stiff upper lip attitude of carrying on regardless is the wrong example to set too

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

That’s pure speculation, the truth is some get the virus worse than others.

Plus IF he had gone straight to bed to rest he would have been accused of passing the buck for others to sort out, I for one hope he recovers quickly and gets back onto this.

[thesheriff443]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

Plus IF he had gone straight to bed to rest he would have been accused of passing the buck for others to sort out, I for one hope he recovers quickly and gets back onto this.

Hi

[user104658]

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

That’s pure speculation, the truth is some get the virus worse than others.

I said "potentially" because yes it's speculation, a possible reason, not a definite reason. That's what "potentially" means .

However, no, it isn't "pure" speculation - not getting enough rest makes it harder to recover from illness, that is 100% medical fact. The part that's speculation is assuming he hasn't been resting properly, maybe he has been getting plenty of sleep and isn't stressed at all... I just think that seems unlikely. I'm not blaming him either, he's not in a position where he can just stop stressing and relax unfortunately.

Its still worth saying for other people though. Like BOTS said, some people have a "stiff upper lip, just push through it" approach to illness and it's worth pointing out that it can hinder recovery.

[thesheriff443]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

I said "potentially" because yes it's speculation, a possible reason, not a definite reason. That's what "potentially" means .

However, no, it isn't "pure" speculation - not getting enough rest makes it harder to recover from illness, that is 100% medical fact. The part that's speculation is assuming he hasn't been resting properly, maybe he has been getting plenty of sleep and isn't stressed at all... I just think that seems unlikely. I'm not blaming him either, he's not in a position where he can just stop stressing and relax unfortunately.

Its still worth saying for other people though. Like BOTS said, some people have a "stiff upper lip, just push through it" approach to illness and it's worth pointing out that it can hinder recovery.

I think you are trying to sell meat to a vegatarian, I ain’t buying it.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

I think you are trying to sell meat to a vegatarian, I ain’t buying it.

OK sheriff, rest doesn't help, if you wake up tomorrow with a fever **** off and do some jumping jacks.

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

He has potentially hindered his recovery by staying in charge of government... I was reading earlier about the links between sleep, adrenaline and fever. Basically when you have a fever, it tends to "break" when you're in a relaxed deep-sleep state and the process is held back by high adrenaline levels. Essentially if you don't let yourself relax when you're ill, the fever can fail to break, your immune system doesn't operate anywhere near full capacity, and that massively increases the risk of developing a secondary infection (like pneumonia). That's why they start to be concerned when people's temp is still up at 7 days. Ideally, if your immune system is doing its job, it should be down within 3 - 5 days.

Basically the stress and probably sleep deprivation that comes with being PM may well be part of what's stopped him from making a timely recovery.

Interesting and understandable . Thanks


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[Kizzy]

Ts is making a really valid point I totally agree, if you have any illness or virus that requires rest to fight off you should be off work and resting, it's common sense.
Boris spent so many years trying to get into no 10 he's understandably reluctant to hand over the reins, looks like now he doesn't have a choice. I wouldn't wish this on anyone and obvously hope he recovers asap.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Ts is making a really valid point I totally agree, if you have any illness or virus that requires rest to fight off you should be off work and resting, it's common sense.
Boris spent so many years trying to get into no 10 he's understandably reluctant to hand over the reins, looks like now he doesn't have a choice. I wouldn't wish this on anyone and obvously hope he recovers asap.

I actually do feel for the guy ( ) because in a position of authority like that it's not even as simple as checking out - even if he did totally hand over to someone else, can a PM really sleep soundly and not be in a state of extreme stress? In fact not being kept totally up-to-date might even make the stress worse. It's a bit of a Catch-22.

My wife was talking about a similar thing a few days ago, how things are different for Mental Health staff in wards vs in community MH/addictions. In the wards when you clock off, you hand over your patients to the next person on shift. In the community your patients are your patients... you can still take annual leave, you can still be off sick if you're sick, but you still feel responsible for those people and think about how they're getting on in your absense, worry about them if they seemed in a bad way when you last saw them, etc. She's quite worried about this at the moment actually - phone contact only, and much less contact than normal even with that. For obvious reasons, but she still feels a duty of care for those people and it isn't quite being met under the exceptional circumstances.

I imagine you could scale that up country-wide for a PM. Even if he takes time off, he'll still overall feel responsible. Then again... neither are the sort of job I'd take on, for that reason. I know I need to be able to clock out from work outside of work hours and not worry about what's happening. People know the responsibilities they're taking on... but it still must not be the easiest thing in the world.

/ ramble.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

I actually do feel for the guy ( ) because in a position of authority like that it's not even as simple as checking out - even if he did totally hand over to someone else, can a PM really sleep soundly and not be in a state of extreme stress? In fact not being kept totally up-to-date might even make the stress worse. It's a bit of a Catch-22.

My wife was talking about a similar thing a few days ago, how things are different for Mental Health staff in wards vs in community MH/addictions. In the wards when you clock off, you hand over your patients to the next person on shift. In the community your patients are your patients... you can still take annual leave, you can still be off sick if you're sick, but you still feel responsible for those people and think about how they're getting on in your absense, worry about them if they seemed in a bad way when you last saw them, etc. She's quite worried about this at the moment actually - phone contact only, and much less contact than normal even with that. For obvious reasons, but she still feels a duty of care for those people and it isn't quite being met under the exceptional circumstances.

I imagine you could scale that up country-wide for a PM. Even if he takes time off, he'll still overall feel responsible. Then again... neither are the sort of job I'd take on, for that reason. I know I need to be able to clock out from work outside of work hours and not worry about what's happening. People know the responsibilities they're taking on... but it still must not be the easiest thing in the world.

/ ramble.

Well I can see the comparison to an extent, however I'd say his motives were more about relinquishing power than any noble sense of responsibility.

[bots]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Well I can see the comparison to an extent, however I'd say his motives were more about relinquishing power than any noble sense of responsibility.

he may look random, but he is a very driven guy, and those types of people tend to focus on things till they are done, they can't help it .... i used to be like that until i got older and wiser

So yes, he won't want to relinquish the reins, but if he is knocked out by a sedative he doesn't have any choice

[arista]

[Boris Johnson still in hospital because
'his symptoms remain persistent' ]


He is not getting better

I would say he is on Oxygen
but will not let anyone know of that fact.

https://news.sky.com/story/coronavir...pital-11969302

[bots]

The maximum wait on tests would have been a couple of hours, so there is a more fundamental reason for him being in hospital.

He will be getting the best possible treatment available, we know that, so we will just have to see how it pans out

[user104658]

Originally Posted by arista

[Boris Johnson still in hospital because
'his symptoms remain persistent' ]


He is not getting better

I would say he is on Oxygen
but will not let anyone know of that fact.

https://news.sky.com/story/coronavir...pital-11969302

Maybe, worth mentioning though that there's a difference between oxygen on demand via mask (which a lot of moderate cases benefit from) and being on full ventilator. There's also other reasons to be in, like being on fluids if the main issue is the fever. To keep things in perspective - it's worth remembering that 20% of cases need hospital treatment but only about 5% of cases are critical (needing ICU / ventilator). 3/4 of hospital treated cases are not critical so it's still more likely than not that he'll be OK - unless we hear that he's been transferred to ICU. That's when survival rate drops to 50/50.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Maybe, worth mentioning though that there's a difference between oxygen on demand via mask (which a lot of moderate cases benefit from) and being on full ventilator. There's also other reasons to be in, like being on fluids if the main issue is the fever. To keep things in perspective - it's worth remembering that 20% of cases need hospital treatment but only about 5% of cases are critical (needing ICU / ventilator). 3/4 of hospital treated cases are not critical so it's still more likely than not that he'll be OK - unless we hear that he's been transferred to ICU. That's when survival rate drops to 50/50.

If Course
but sadly all that transfer
could be told to the Public - a Day later,

He even has a Armed Guard
as he should have.

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by arista

[Boris Johnson still in hospital because
'his symptoms remain persistent' ]


He is not getting better

I would say he is on Oxygen
but will not let anyone know of that fact.

https://news.sky.com/story/coronavir...pital-11969302

So pure speculation on your part ??

I haven’t seen anything about it ‘going onto his lungs OR him being on oxygen ..

They’ve just said he’s had tests done because he’s still got the fever


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[James]

I got his letter in the mail today.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by James

I got his letter in the mail today.

Boris still sending mail from his hospital bed.

Burn it though James, it'll be covered in the Covids.