[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

It’s a false idea to think women don’t enjoy doing it
Women like and enjoy sex and for some doing as part of a job ticks there box’s

None of that bears much relation to what I said. I didn't talk about whether "women" do or do not enjoy sex, I also didn't talk about "women" as though they're all going to have the exact same feelings on the topic. But ok.

If you feel "women have and enjoy sex" and "women have and enjoy sex on camera, with paying customers" are the same sentence then there's no point continuing the exchange.

[The Grinch]

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

You was happy to watch porn for free but if someone pays for it they are sad and pathetic, you are a hypocrite.

Yes! Finally it has been said but I think this goes for one person in this thread though and not TS

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

there are an awful lot of people that do jobs they would rather not do for all sorts of reasons, including financial, that have nothing to do with the porn industry. It's not possible to isolate the porn industry and treat it all as some unique thing when it covers a universe of different things. Some of it involves exploitation etc, but the vast majority of it these days is personal choice of the individual involved

Do you have evidence to back that up?

Nobody's asking to eradicate "all jobs people would rather not do". We've all had the jobs we've had to take because needs must. But sex work is not comparable to working as a toilet cleaner or a server in McDonald's.

[Merry Mockmas]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Oh hold on, scratch the entire question above, OnlyFans was founded in 2016 so the longest anyone has been using it for their work is 5 years.

You can’t possibly have any evidence of good long term outcomes, because there are no long term outcomes to be measured.

So the most sensible thing to do is assume that the long term outcomes are similar to the long term outcomes for people in traditional sex work or pornography. i.e. tonnes of evidence that it’s grim, and little to none that it’s positive, other than a handful of very high profile examples.

The only thing I'd say Toy Soldier is what would you realistically do to improve the sex industry? Like it or not it's not going away, and making it illegal would just put some of these people into more dangerous work within the sex industry.

I agree with you that the industry has problems (as most entertainment industries do) but how would you fix young people (but of legal age) from doing Porn?

[Merry Mockmas]

Originally Posted by Calderyon

Probably seen it at some point.

Hopefully you haven't.

[Calderyon]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

Hopefully you haven't.

Probably have.

[ChristmasNeeve]

So from reading this thread, some men think that women go into the sex industry cos they love sex and all these random men they meet make them happy and pay them too. Bonus. The End. Wonderful

[Calderyon]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

I still find the incest Porn the most shocking content of them all.

I remember sadly catching one where this family had this girl staying over for the night, and the older woman says to her "give Mother a kiss."

The stuff of nightmares, I prefer my Vanilla Porn.

There is much, much more shocking than that, I'm afraid.

And that's actually a quite popular genre.

[thesheriff443]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

So from reading this thread, some men think that women go into the sex industry cos they love sex and all these random men they meet make them happy and pay them too. Bonus. The End. Wonderful

No not at all!
Some on here talking like women are so weak they can’t think for themselves and and are forced into doing fans only or other sex based stuff or that it’s all about a mans needs

The majority of Woman like sex and some woman like porn

Some women go and see male strippers

The false idea that women are play things for men is bollox

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

The only thing I'd say Toy Soldier is what would you realistically do to improve the sex industry? Like it or not it's not going away, and making it illegal would just put some of these people into more dangerous work within the sex industry.

I agree with you that the industry has problems (as most entertainment industries do) but how would you fix young people (but of legal age) from doing Porn?

I can only repeat what I’ve said before - it’s not about making it illegal and I even agree with making it as safe as possible for the people who find themselves in that world. I just wish people would stop with the fantasy that it’s “just like any other job” or even that it’s a good thing, and actively encouraging young people to believe that selling nudes and explicit videos online is a normal next step at 18 if they have large TikTok or Instagram followings at 16, when actually they’re far, far too young to understand the long term consequences (the vast majority of the time they are not good, despite what people seem to want us all to believe, this is very well studied), and are dazzled by the attention and $$$ signs and an idea that “everyone is doing it”. People have gone into sex work for as long as civilisation has existed, that’s true, and it’s true that it’s never going to stop happening completely, and I again fully agree that people who are in that world should be as safe as possible, but we need to stop pretending that the HUGE increase in the number of teenage girls going into “home made porn” in the last few years thanks to platforms like OnlyFans either isn’t happening, or is somehow socially positive.

At the very, very least I would increase the age at which it’s legal to sell those sorts of pics and videos. Personally I’d love to say 25 but realistically even 21 would be far better than 18. I know people like to spam the absolute myth that people suddenly become fully fledged responsible adults on their 18th birthday for some arbitrary reason… but it’s a fairly obvious truth that people grow up a lot in the first few years of “becoming an adult”. An 18 year old is fresh out of high school and most have no idea at all about the world. How could they? I think far fewer teenage social media “stars” would go into selling nudes at 21 when they’ve actually been living as an adult for 3 years, than the number who do at 18 thinking it’s a fast track to good money fresh out of the classroom, and because they’ve seen so many other 18 year old girls do the same before them.

It would also partially limit the absolutely huge and disgusting issue of adults following kids from age 15/16 “waiting” for them to turn 18 and post nudes, and also some of the ambiguity of 16 and 17 year olds posting illegal content claiming to be 18.

So there you go I guess, those who have been asking for solutions. In my ideal world this would not be happening at all. If you want an actual simple pragmatic improvement in the grim real world - up the age requirement for being on these platforms to at least 21.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

No not at all!
Some on here talking like women are so weak they can’t think for themselves and and are forced into doing fans only or other sex based stuff or that it’s all about a mans needs

The majority of Woman like sex and some woman like porn

Some women go and see male strippers

The false idea that women are play things for men is bollox

No one is saying women don’t like sex Sheriff, the difference between “enjoying sex” and “being a sex worker” should be pretty clear surely? You’re really not getting the point to be honest.

Yes women can think for themselves,

Yes women enjoy sex.

No women should not be thought of as sex objects. Which is why it shouldn’t be possible to buy them, like sex objects, or spreading the idea that selling their bodies like objects is empowering or good. Many men DO see women as objects and the fact that they’ll open their wallets and “buy them” instead of seeking a mutual, equal encounter with someone who wants the same as them without being paid for it is just more evidence of that.

No one is talking about women being forced into OnlyFans (although there are countless women across the world forced into all sorts of sex work) - this thread has quite clearly been about people being encouraged into low-level sex work by a general societal impression that it’s normal or even desirable as a money-making choice. If you think that people’s choices aren’t influenced by trends and normalisation… we’ll you just don’t understand social psychology. Which is fine but it is what it is.

As for it “all being about the man’s needs”? Well yes it is all about the buyer’s needs. The sex worker is providing a service that the man needs (actually let’s not say needs, it’s a “want”, not a “need”, framing it as a “need” is what leads to things like Incel).

“Some women like it too” is a total red herring. Yes many women watch porn. But the vast majority of buyers of sex worker services/subscription holders on sites like OnlyFans are adult men. And the vast majority of sellers are girls in their late teens and early 20’s. I’ve seen people on this thread alternately arguing that either that isn’t true, or suggesting that it isn’t a problem. Gobsmackingly, I would imagine some of those people even consider themselves feminist.

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

So from reading this thread, some men think that women go into the sex industry cos they love sex and all these random men they meet make them happy and pay them too. Bonus. The End. Wonderful

Not to go off on a tangent but that's modern neoliberal "feminism" all over, which seems more anti-rights for women than anything else. How did we get to the point where feminists are supporting the idea of males being in women's spaces, including a fricken rufuge ...until fairly recently, Women's March propped up a "feminist" Who supports shariah law ... and they also seem to think sex work is something to be encouraged.

I'm not a woman and I don't particularly identify as a feminist, but I still think the movement needs a word with itself.

ANYWAY

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

would just put some of these people into more dangerous work within the sex industry.

Why would someone not being able to sell nudes online automatically mean they'd have to become prostitutes?

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

No not at all!
Some on here talking like women are so weak they can’t think for themselves and and are forced into doing fans only or other sex based stuff or that it’s all about a mans needs

The majority of Woman like sex and some woman like porn

Some women go and see male strippers

The false idea that women are play things for men is bollox

It's naive that you think sex work is about the woman enjoying sex when the vast majority of it is aimed squarely at the satisfaction of the bloke.

[Tom4784]

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[user104658]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Sex work will always be a thing, and the whole idea of 'sex work is work' is not to encourage people to do it, but to legitimise it so that it can be made safer for those who do it.

I understand it on that level but can you concede that things are not always taken at face value, and will be interpreted in different ways by different people? I’ve always supported decriminalisation for safety, and to reduce the risk of things like trafficking and sex slavery, which are still horrifyingly common, but the “TikTok situation” just can’t be ignored for much longer. It’s become the bulk of platforms like OnlyFans and it’s just seen as so normal but leads to so much regret.

One of the worst parts is that “everyone making amazing money” is actually a myth… it’s becoming an oversaturated market so what actually happens is that half of these people end up with their nudes/videos out there and a few hundred Ł in their bank and that’s it. “The Dream” of buying a house and driving a brand new car turns out to be a complete fantasy.

[ChristmasNeeve]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

Not to go off on a tangent but that's modern neoliberal "feminism" all over, which seems more anti-rights for women than anything else. How did we get to the point where feminists are supporting the idea of males being in women's spaces, including a fricken rufuge ...until fairly recently, Women's March propped up a "feminist" Who supports shariah law ... and they also seem to think sex work is something to be encouraged.



I'm not a woman and I don't particularly identify as a feminist, but I still think the movement needs a word with itself.



ANYWAY





Why would someone not being able to sell nudes online automatically mean they'd have to become prostitutes?

Seems split into two groups now, liberal and Radical

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[Alf]

GB news had pornstar Brooklyn Blue on their show to discuss this.

[Christmas Dynasnow]

money for old rope

never really is money for old rope

there is always a price to pay

[user104658]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

money for old rope

never really is money for old rope

there is always a price to pay

Don't you make a living literally selling old rope though .

[Christmas Dynasnow]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Don't you make a living literally selling old rope though .

vintage rope


Huge difference

but one has to........make ends meet

[bots]

oops ....


OnlyFans has announced that it will delay making changes to policy on content creation, following a widespread backlash by its users.

The content subscription service announced plans last week to block sexually explicit photos and videos from October.

On Wednesday, it tweeted that it has "suspended the planned 1 October policy change".

It is currently unclear if the delay will be permanent.

OnlyFans wrote on twitter that it would "continue to provide a home for all creators".

"Thank you to everyone for making your voices heard," said the company.

"We have secured assurances necessary to support our diverse creator community and have suspended the planned 1 October policy change.

"OnlyFans stands for inclusion and we will continue to provide a home for all creators."

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-58331722

[michael21]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

oops ....


OnlyFans has announced that it will delay making changes to policy on content creation, following a widespread backlash by its users.

The content subscription service announced plans last week to block sexually explicit photos and videos from October.

On Wednesday, it tweeted that it has "suspended the planned 1 October policy change".

It is currently unclear if the delay will be permanent.

OnlyFans wrote on twitter that it would "continue to provide a home for all creators".

"Thank you to everyone for making your voices heard," said the company.

"We have secured assurances necessary to support our diverse creator community and have suspended the planned 1 October policy change.

"OnlyFans stands for inclusion and we will continue to provide a home for all creators."

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-58331722

Yes there making to much money by truning a blind eye

[Good King Glennceslas]

A wise decision considering the major contributor of content is sex

[user104658]

Another win for patriarchal neoliberal consumerism. Well done progressives. At least we can get a chuckle from the sad irony, I guess.

[Cherry Christmas]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

vintage rope


Huge difference

but one has to........make ends meet

Hanging by a thread there LT