[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

"How do you know a racist who says racist things is racist?"

Leigh Francis said he was Amanda Holden's nan, but he isn't.

So how do you know he's actually racist? Or do you think Francis really is Holden's nan ... After all, he did say he is!

Do you think everything ever comedian says is literally true?

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

It's up to the owners of the venue if they want certain acts to perform or not. It's their stage, their platform, and no one is entitled to perform on it without their permission to do so.

The venue was fine to host him until the City Trust stepped in and called off the figurative party.

If people didn't bitch and moan, he could perform his show to a dozen or so people, and those who don't like him could just not attend.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by parmnion

Wouldnt a city hall be publicly owned?

Originally Posted by Cherie

I would expect it to be

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

The venue was fine to host him until the City Trust stepped in and called off the figurative party.

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OP states that Sheffield City Trust (seems to be independent non-profit org) operates the venue, it isn't owned by the city, and they didn't "step in". The Trust would be managed by a board of trustees who probably made the decision.

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

OP states that Sheffield City Trust (seems to be independent non-profit org) operates the venue, it isn't owned by the city, and they didn't "step in". The Trust would be managed by a board of trustees who probably made the decision.

Whoever it's owned by, the gig was scheduled, until the City Trust decided it wasn't to be.

[Alf]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

OP states that Sheffield City Trust (seems to be independent non-profit org) operates the venue, it isn't owned by the city, and they didn't "step in". The Trust would be managed by a board of trustees who probably made the decision.

Good morning to you Toy Soldier, how are you this fine morning good sir?


They're not the best at being trustees, I don't think many people will trust them now.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

Whoever it's owned by, the gig was scheduled, until the City Trust decided it wasn't to be.

The Sheffield City Trust is an independent 3rd sector organisation though, there seems to be some confusion that it's part of local council or government/publicly owned. It is not and thus "hmph we pays wrr Council taxes" has nothing to do with this at all. It's not tax-funded.

[Alf]

What we do know is that this labour MP cheers on the intolerance shown towards Royston and his fans.

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

The Sheffield City Trust is an independent 3rd sector organisation though, there seems to be some confusion that it's part of local council or government/publicly owned. It is not and thus "hmph we pays wrr Council taxes" has nothing to do with this at all. It's not tax-funded.

I never said they were funded by taxes though?

[Alf]

Originally Posted by Alf

What we do know is that this labour MP cheers on the intolerance shown towards Royston and his fans.

She even ends by calling it a welcoming city. Yeah, right love. A welcoming city that doesn't welcome people is not really a welcoming city, is it?

[Alf]

Originally Posted by Alf

What we do know is that this labour MP cheers on the intolerance shown towards Royston and his fans.

She even uses the word "Cancel" she does that because she's very, very proud of the new cancel culture.

[user104658]

Hmm it seems maybe there is an element of public funding? either way that's not really an argument since it can just be done circularly. Some will want it to go ahead, some will not, all pay taxes, so the decision can’t be in public hands.

On balance though I think an arbitrary cancellation is a bit harsh, if it’s based on assumptions of content. I think (if this is not what happened) the venue holders should have asked him for a script or outline of the show’s content and made the decision from there. If it seemed fine from the outline and then went wildly off-piste they’d be able to say that in their defense, and would be justified in then banning him (as would other venue holders).

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Hmm it seems maybe there is an element of public funding? either way that's not really an argument since it can just be done circularly. Some will want it to go ahead, some will not, all pay taxes, so the decision can’t be in public hands.

As with a lot of these things, the "vote" should be done with people's wallets. If hardly anyone shows up, the venue (or booking agent, whatever) will lose money, and probably won't bother again.

[Alf]

Why these people in positions of power and trust get away with this bigotry is because nobody does anything but talk about it. They're not bothered about people chatting about it, what needs to happen is action taken against them. It's discrimination and all involved need to be finding new careers.

[Beso]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

The Sheffield City Trust is an independent 3rd sector organisation though, there seems to be some confusion that it's part of local council or government/publicly owned. It is not and thus "hmph we pays wrr Council taxes" has nothing to do with this at all. It's not tax-funded.

Sheffield City Trust Awarded Funding From Government's Culture Recovery Fund. Sheffield City Trust is delighted to confirm that it has been awarded up to Ł2.243 million in funding from the government's Culture Recovery Fund.

[Beso]

Cut their funding.

[Jordan.]

Originally Posted by Alf

Why these people in positions of power and trust get away with this bigotry is because nobody does anything but talk about it. They're not bothered about people chatting about it, what needs to happen is action taken against them. It's discrimination and all involved need to be finding new careers.

Sure let's have them cancelled like they cancelled chubby because being cancelled is fine as long as it happens to the people I don't like.

[Alf]

Originally Posted by Jordan.

Sure let's have them cancelled like they cancelled chubby because being cancelled is fine as long as it happens to the people I don't like.

They did something to deserve it, Chubby didn't.

[Alf]

Originally Posted by Jordan.

Sure let's have them cancelled like they cancelled chubby because being cancelled is fine as long as it happens to the people I don't like.

These are people in positions of trust and power paid for by the tax payer, with that comes a certain responsibility. Chubby is just a guy trying to make a living from being a comedien.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by parmnion

Sheffield City Trust Awarded Funding From Government's Culture Recovery Fund. Sheffield City Trust is delighted to confirm that it has been awarded up to Ł2.243 million in funding from the government's Culture Recovery Fund.

I saw that Parmy and did a follow up post. That said, receiving bulk funding from the council doesn’t change the fact that they’re an independent org and not beholden to the public in decision making - especially if they had a clear statement of values in place before receiving that funding. The council might be pressured into not funding them again, though.

I work in the 3rd sector these days (2.5 years now) and the way 3rd sector interacts with public entities and for-profit entities is quite interesting …. It doesn’t work exactly the same as either (hence, 3rd sector, public and for-profit being the other two sectors). They’ll have multiple funding sources and those sources trust the org to make decisions and have no influence over the decision making process other than declining funding in future. They’ll often be in multi-year contracts and that funding can’t be withdrawn, all they can do is threaten not to fund in future (which could be multiple years away, and memories are short).

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

Leigh Francis said he was Amanda Holden's nan, but he isn't.

So how do you know he's actually racist? Or do you think Francis really is Holden's nan ... After all, he did say he is!

Do you think everything ever comedian says is literally true?

"An actor pretending to be someone's Nan is comparable to someone finding racism funny. It's comparable because I said so. I have no other argument"

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

The venue was fine to host him until the City Trust stepped in and called off the figurative party.

If people didn't bitch and moan, he could perform his show to a dozen or so people, and those who don't like him could just not attend.

I think you've hit the nail on the head tbh.

The Venue didn't care about his jokes until complaints from a few groups have happened, so obviously this isn't really the venue deciding for themselves that they don't want him there, but are instead being peer pressured into not having him there.

Tbh from the Youtube video that I watched I personally didn't find his jokes that funny tbh, but I wouldn't personally try to spoil it for his fans by wanting him to be banned from venues, I just wouldn't go to one of his Shows.

But tbh I am very anti-Censorship anyway, I ****ing hate how these groups try to dictate to these venues, or whatever type of entertainment company that you want to think of, about what they can or can't show.

Imo barring the most extreme criminal offences (because even I have a line that shouldn't be crossed) anything else is fair game in my eyes.

[arista]

BBC1HD 10 AM Politics UK on now has it from North East

They have an interview with Chubby

[arista]

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