[jet]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

Before I address the bit I want to, I want to make clear that I'm not calling you racist.

So the myth that minorities or PoC get away with stuff that the honkys would never be allowed to, despite centuries of historical and contemporary evidence, is inherently racist. It just is.

That's a leap you are taking there. I didn't say PoC get away with stuff whites wouldn't. I was specifically referring to Meghan and her admirers using her colour as a way of berating anyone who criticises her, which they do. It's 'you don't like Meghan because she's a black woman, end of'! It's rolled out over and over again, and right here on this thread as well. Utter rubbish.

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by jet

That's a leap you are taking there. I didn't say PoC get away with stuff whites wouldn't. I was specifically referring to Meghan and her admirers using her colour as a way of berating anyone who criticises her, which they do. It's 'you don't like Meghan because she's a black woman, end of'! It's rolled out over and over again, and right here on this thread as well. Utter rubbish.

I tried talking in generalities so you wouldn't think you were being accused of anything. You're doing it again. I wasn't talking about anything other than the specific words you wrote in that post. Still not calling you a racist, but you're using the language of the white grievance movement.

[jet]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

I tried talking in generalities so you wouldn't think you were being accused of anything. You're doing it again. I wasn't talking about anything other than the specific words you wrote in that post. Still not calling you a racist, but you're using the language of the white grievance movement.

Seems to me you use the language of the bull****ter movement.

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

I tried talking in generalities so you wouldn't think you were being accused of anything. You're doing it again. I wasn't talking about anything other than the specific words you wrote in that post. Still not calling you a racist, but you're using the language of the white grievance movement.

I think the point was meant to be that Markle's race should be irrelevant, but that's all people like "Dr" Shola can see when they look at a person, so from their racist viewpoint, that's the motivation for any criticism.

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

I think the point was meant to be that Markle's race should be irrelevant, but that's all people like "Dr" Shola can see when they look at a person, so from their racist viewpoint, that's the motivation for any criticism.

The point I’m making is that Meghan and the likes of her cheerleaders Shola and Omid Scobie and her admirers are using her skin colour now to divert from valid criticism of someone whose actions, presentation and motives are very polarising and questionable to say the least. She never presented herself as a ‘proud black woman’ until she could use it to her advantage. That, to me, is disgusting and an example of racism in itself.

You could be right Oliver, which is why I wanted to check with him in a non accusatory manner, but the weird demand that if she wants to be a proud, black woman, then she had to inform masser jet a lot sooner, on top of the fact he assumes her skin colour is another weapon in her armoury, rather than it being who she actually is, is pretty weird you have to admit.

[bots]

i find her to be a bit like a parrot. She just regurgitates largely meaningless nonsense. There is nothing to hate about her, but I could never take her seriously and thats what she seems to crave more than anything else

[rusticgal]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

i find her to be a bit like a parrot. She just regurgitates largely meaningless nonsense. There is nothing to hate about her, but I could never take her seriously and thats what she seems to crave more than anything else

Exactly. Whilst she may have had a lot of viewers they were all very much of the same mindset and reached the same conclusion....Meghan wont get what she craves.

[jet]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

I think the point was meant to be that Markle's race should be irrelevant, but that's all people like "Dr" Shola can see when they look at a person, so from their racist viewpoint, that's the motivation for any criticism.

Exactly Oliver.

[jet]

Originally Posted by Liam-

I don’t think I’ve ever said I like her personally, because I don’t really know enough about her to be a ‘fan’ and I don’t pretend to, unlike the people who hate her and make believe they know all aspects of her personality to try and justify just why they hate her so much.

I just see a woman who was and continues to be treated appallingly by the British media and the hordes of brainless morons who jump on the bandwagon, if you saw someone in real life you thought was being unfairly mistreated, would you say something about it or just ignore it or even join in because you think they deserved it for who they are?

I don’t see that she’s done anything wrong, or anything worthy of the unrelenting vitriol that is sent her way and I will call it out anytime I feel like it because to me, it’s wrong

Well, that’s exactly why we don’t ignore Meghan’s unfair mistreatment, bullying and blatant lies about other people, not to mention her manipulations and polarising actions. We don’t ignore it, we say something.

You don’t see that she’s done anything wrong?
Before you blindly defend Meghan maybe have a look at Tom Bowers book? Her admirers won’t - because they are afraid to or can’t be bothered. Even if he got only half of it right, (which I doubt, he’s a widely acclaimed, thorough and respected biographer who has never once lost in court by the many who attempted to sue him….and Meghan, oddly enough, isn’t showing any signs of suing him, hmmm), the book still reveals a very grim picture of Meghan Markle and her treatment of and untruths about others that she considers beneath her narcissistic wonderfulness.

[Jordan.]

Originally Posted by jet

Well, that’s exactly why we don’t ignore Meghan’s unfair mistreatment, bullying and blatant lies about other people, not to mention her manipulations and polarising actions. We don’t ignore it, we say something.

You don’t see that she’s done anything wrong?
Before you blindly defend Meghan maybe have a look at Tom Bowers book? Her admirers won’t - because they are afraid to or can’t be bothered. Even if he got only half of it right, (which I doubt, he’s a widely acclaimed, thorough and respected biographer who has never once lost in court by the many who attempted to sue him….and Meghan, oddly enough, isn’t showing any signs of suing him, hmmm), the book still reveals a very grim picture of Meghan Markle and her treatment of and untruths about others that she considers beneath her narcissistic wonderfulness.

The same book that said she and Serena were acquaintances and not friends... and you blindly believed it

[jet]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

You could be right Oliver, which is why I wanted to check with him in a non accusatory manner, but the weird demand that if she wants to be a proud, black woman, then she had to inform masser jet a lot sooner, on top of the fact he assumes her skin colour is another weapon in her armoury, rather than it being who she actually is, is pretty weird you have to admit.

I ‘demanded’ no such thing, either in words or implication, so from now on I will have no time for you and your OTT s**t stirring melodramatics.
Anything I said are the thoughts of members of her own family and friends who she grew up with and who seem to be looking on askance at the person who was rather different before finding some fame in Suits.

[Beso]

I hate her as a person, like helen wood or marco sabas.for me, like them, there is no redemption.

[Beso]

Markle windsor davies the turd,would stab her own toe nails off if it gained her ears what they yearn for..


Thank **** she aint built like spock or her fa hather in law.

[jet]

Originally Posted by Jordan.

The same book that said she and Serena were acquaintances and not friends... and you blindly believed it

Sorry to bring your laughter to an end, but that is wrong.

Bower was recounting what Kashner claimed. Here is the quote from the book:

Over the next few days, he (Kashner) said he called those who Meghan recommended as her friends. Serena Williams denied she was Meghan’s friend but just an acquaintance.
She gave him an enigmatic quote: You’ve got to be who you are, Meghan, you can’t hide’.

On the contrary, Bower goes on to talk about Meghan going to see Serena playing tennis and how Serena paid for her NY baby shower. So he was aware they were friends. Puzzled about what Kasher had told him, he asked for clarification from Serena who neither confirmed nor denied what Kasher had said, but simply responded with ‘no comment’.

And no, I obviously didn't 'blindly believe it', you made that up.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

I tried talking in generalities so you wouldn't think you were being accused of anything. You're doing it again. I wasn't talking about anything other than the specific words you wrote in that post. Still not calling you a racist, but you're using the language of the white grievance movement.

From my point of view I am not some black rights activist that supports every little complaint that they make, in fact some of it can sometimes be tiresome imo.

However I honestly do not understand what Meghan has done so wrong? Especially when it's to the point where thread after thread is made about how horrible she is.

I don't intend to offend anyone with what I'm saying, but I've honestly not heard any justifiable reason why Meghan is so hated.

And imo this is hatred, it's basically a witch hunt at this point, which I'll never support regardless of if it's about racism or not.

And in terms of history Slim, I'd say that you're correct in that black people have definitely faced more racism than white people, or any other race if we're being honest.

However I do believe that any group can be racist or face racism before the right wingers come for me.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

From my point of view I am not some black rights activist that supports every little complaint that they make, in fact some of it can sometimes be tiresome imo.

However I honestly do not understand what Meghan has done so wrong? Especially when it's to the point where thread after thread is made about how horrible she is.

I don't intend to offend anyone with what I'm saying, but I've honestly not heard any justifiable reason why Meghan is so hated.

And imo this is hatred, it's basically a witch hunt at this point, which I'll never support regardless of if it's about racism or not.

And in terms of history Slim, I'd say that you're correct in that black people have definitely faced more racism than white people, or any other race if we're being honest.

However I do believe that any group can be racist or face racism before the right wingers come for me.

more racism than Jews?

[Jordan.]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

From my point of view I am not some black rights activist that supports every little complaint that they make, in fact some of it can sometimes be tiresome imo.

However I honestly do not understand what Meghan has done so wrong? Especially when it's to the point where thread after thread is made about how horrible she is.

I don't intend to offend anyone with what I'm saying, but I've honestly not heard any justifiable reason why Meghan is so hated.

And imo this is hatred, it's basically a witch hunt at this point, which I'll never support regardless of if it's about racism or not.

And in terms of history Slim, I'd say that you're correct in that black people have definitely faced more racism than white people, or any other race if we're being honest.

However I do believe that any group can be racist or face racism before the right wingers come for me.

Spot on Mock, a witch hunt is exactly what it is. They pretend they don't care about her, have no interest in what she has to say, wish she'd go away etc all that nonsense yet still actively pursue her career to attack her. They are mad now about a podcast they have zero obligation to even listen to... and then they wonder why people question their motive.

[Kazanne]

I'm not fussed about her either way, but it does make me smile when those defending her get personal and try and belittle anyone who doesn't like her, I would say it's fanatical when people defend to the hilt someone they don't know when the topic comes from the horse's mouth, I don't care what she does or says, but the defense of her is a bit cringy and amusing imo.

[Beso]

Yes LT, I also believe the jews have had it worse.

[rusticgal]

Meghan was hugely popular when she married Harry....her popularity dropped significantly when she went on National Television telling numerous lies and discrediting the Royal Family. Her selfish self absorbed character has constantly shone through in everything she does....the most telling thing to me was when she went to Africa to highlight the atrocities that young women endured and then made the whole thing about poor mememe...
Everything she does is about her...all over exaggerated to get maximum effect....poor poor Meghan...she wants nothing to do with the Royal Family but holds on to her title to make herself important.

She is famous all over the world (albeit mainly for the wrong reasons)...she says she is trying to reach out to people with a message hence the Podcasts. She could make herself more relatable if she dropped the title and stopped making everything about her.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

I'm not fussed about her either way, but it does make me smile when those defending her get personal and try and belittle anyone who doesn't like her, I would say it's fanatical when people defend to the hilt someone they don't know when the topic comes from the horse's mouth, I don't care what she does or says, but the defense of her is a bit cringy and amusing imo.

Have you noticed Kaz how hard it is to defend her now?

Its a real struggle

[bots]

Meghan is being criticised therefore it must be racism seems to be the default defence

[rusticgal]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

Meghan is being criticised therefore it must be racism seems to be the default defence

Yes...her behaviour and actions are irrelevant...

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

I'm not fussed about her either way, but it does make me smile when those defending her get personal and try and belittle anyone who doesn't like her, I would say it's fanatical when people defend to the hilt someone they don't know when the topic comes from the horse's mouth, I don't care what she does or says, but the defense of her is a bit cringy and amusing imo.

But not everyone likes Meghan as a fan ,they just don't understand the hatred .

Originally Posted by Jordan.

Spot on Mock, a witch hunt is exactly what it is. They pretend they don't care about her, have no interest in what she has to say, wish she'd go away etc all that nonsense yet still actively pursue her career to attack her. They are mad now about a podcast they have zero obligation to even listen to... and then they wonder why people question their motive.

Originally Posted by parmnion

Yes LT, I also believe the jews have had it worse.

Is this a competition now , didn't realise the suffering of both Jewish people & the Black community was being put to the test for a prize.

[rusticgal]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

But not everyone likes Meghan as a fan ,they just don't understand the hatred .

It is not 'hatred' as you call it...its simply negative opinion on what she says and does.
You do seem to be a bit hypocritical because when someone's behaviour gets your back up you don't hold back from expressing that on this Forum,,,it really is no different.