[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

Exactly
And eating disorders have more similarities with trans .

Agreed. Both are mental health disorders which are defined by discongruity between mind and body.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

I knew I was gay since I was pretty young

you thought you were

what about all the kids who"knew" but found out they were wrong?

i guess they dont now exist as you were "right"?

[Barry.]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

Agreed. Both are mental health disorders which are defined by discongruity between mind and body.

Don’t think wanting to be the different sex is a mental problem. They are just in the wrong body, to them, and we should all be happy for them to get the right gender

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

you thought you were

what about all the kids who"knew" but found out they were wrong?

i guess they dont now exist as you were "right"?

If they're wrong, then ... they won't date people of the same sex? You can retract a coming out, or simply change your mind, if it turns out to not actually be the way your sex drive is wired after all.

Originally Posted by Barry.

Don’t think wanting to be the different sex is a mental problem. They are just in the wrong body, to them, and we should all be happy for them to get the right gender

Gender is a social construct. If someone has that strong of a disconnect between their body and brain, it's absolutely a mental problem.

[Barry.]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

If they're wrong, then ... they won't date people of the same sex? You can retract a coming out, or simply change your mind, if it turns out to not actually be the way your sex drive is wired after all.


Gender is a social construct. If someone has that strong of a disconnect between their body and brain, it's absolutely a mental problem.

It’s not a mental problem. Don’t be ***** now

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Barry.

It’s not a mental problem. Don’t be ***** now

Then what is it?

Just a mental issue?

[Barry.]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

Then what is it?

Just a mental issue?

It’s gender identity problems not a mental disorder. Do you know anyone who’s went through it? They will tell you it ain’t a mental problem

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Barry.

It’s gender identity problems not a mental disorder.

What's the difference? "Gender identity" is in the mind, making it mental by definition.

[Beso]

Originally Posted by Barry.

It’s gender identity problems not a mental disorder. Do you know anyone who’s went through it? They will tell you it ain’t a mental problem

One of the uks leading protagonists for the TRA, cut his cock off in jail.

Does that sound like someone of sane mind to you?

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Barry.

It’s gender identity problems not a mental disorder. Do you know anyone who’s went through it? They will tell you it ain’t a mental problem

lol

can you tell us what it is then?

[Barry.]

Originally Posted by parmnion

One of the uks leading protagonists for the TRA, cut his cock off in jail.

Does that sound like someone of sane mind to you?

Well he may of had mental health by doing that. Trans people get a professional to have the surgery.

[Barry.]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

lol

can you tell us what it is then?

Are you saying all trans people have mental health problems because they are in the right body?

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Barry.

Are you saying all trans people have mental health problems because they are in the right body?

There's no such thing as a right or wrong body. Any form of dysmorphia is a mental health problem.

[Barry.]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

There's no such thing as a right or wrong body. Any form of dysmorphia is a mental health problem.

Well you would say that as you aren’t trans

[Barry.]

The first line here even says it’s not a mental illness

https://my.clevelandclinic.org/healt...-mental-health

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by Barry.

It’s gender identity problems not a mental disorder. Do you know anyone who’s went through it? They will tell you it ain’t a mental problem

Gender dysphoria is technically a mental disorder that gets diagnosed by a doctor or therapist. I don't know why you're trying to change the definition.

[Barry.]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

Gender dysphoria is technically a mental disorder that gets diagnosed by a doctor or therapist. I don't know why you're trying to change the definition.

A doctor doesn’t tell you if you want to be male or female, the person does.

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Barry.

Well you would say that as you aren’t trans

Which makes me able to be objective.

In what world is a mental clash between mind and body not a mental illness?

Would you say eating disorders aren't either?

Originally Posted by Barry.

The first line here even says it’s not a mental illness

https://my.clevelandclinic.org/healt...-mental-health

Well they would say that as they are trans

[Barry.]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

Which makes me able to be objective.

In what world is a mental clash between mind and body not a mental illness?

Would you say eating disorders aren't either?



Well they would say that as they are trans

So you are saying a trans person is wrong but you are right? Hmm ok, got it.

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

Which makes me able to be objective.

In what world is a mental clash between mind and body not a mental illness?

Would you say eating disorders aren't either?



Well they would say that as they are trans

I've noticed even on NHS website they're tip toeing around the definition of trans/ gender dysphoria. We all know it's how they feel but it's still psychological condition aswell. And other issues usually get diagnosed aswell as ie depression ,anxiety etc .

[Beso]

Originally Posted by Barry.

The first line here even says it’s not a mental illness

https://my.clevelandclinic.org/healt...-mental-health

Can you copy and paste the whole article please.

[AnnieK]

Originally Posted by Barry.

So you are saying a trans person is wrong but you are right? Hmm ok, got it.

In the same breath though would you say a skeletal person who feels they are fat is wrong but you are right....of course you would. They won't listen because they know how they feel

Every issue is pertinent to the person who is dealing with it....people on the periphery will view it differently. Trans issues need to be dealt with with empathy and understanding but it is one if a myriad of issues people deal with eith regards to body issues and dysmorphia.

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Barry.

So you are saying a trans person is wrong but you are right? Hmm ok, got it.

In this particular case, I'm not the one with gender-based body dysmorphia, so yes, I'm right and they're wrong.

In the same way that someone with an eating disorder might believe they're fat, when they're ... clearly not.

[Barry.]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

In this particular case, I'm not the one with gender-based body dysmorphia, so yes, I'm right and they're wrong.

In the same way that someone with an eating disorder might believe they're fat, when they're ... clearly not.

There’s a big difference between an eating disorder and trans, you are really being beyond what you think you know.

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Barry.

There’s a big difference between an eating disorder and trans, you are really being beyond what you think you know.

Why? Why are they different?