[Hugo]

Originally posted by Sticks
More evidence from British police that Kate is hiding something

The evidence that they killed Madeline is mounting everyday

From a newspaper that can't spell

[Sunny_01]

Lets just hope that at some point Madeline is found, even if she is dead that little girl needs to be laid to rest. Maddie kind of belongs to everyone now, she has been taken into the hearts of many across the world.

[Sunny_01]

I struggle to understand how a couple who made huge statements about staying in Portugal and not being bullied into returning to the UK are now in fact on route home as soon as they are questioned and called official suspects. They assure Portugese police they will return if needed, however what if they dont like why they want them to return? will they fight it? using public money for their fight?

http://news.sky.com/skynews/article/...283316,00.html

[Amy21]

Originally posted by wobblywoo
Just been announced on sky news.

I just heard this right now on the radio that there going home to give their two other children a chance to get back to normality. To be honest I think this is the best thing they can do. I dont see any point in them staying in Portugal as they cant really do anything. I still believe they didnt do anything to Madeleine and that she is still out there somewhere or some sicko has killed her. Its only a matter of time til her body is found or someone sees her and reports seeing her to the police. Please keep praying for Madeleine safe return to those people who support the parents. Every person supporting this really helps alot.

[Sunny_01]

They have had over a 100 days to bring their children home to return to normal life, this all seems very unusual to me. We will stay has been the message all along, question them, make them suspects and hey ho we are off home for the sake of our other children!!!

[spacebandit]

Off home for the sake of the other children, after all the big talk about firstly staying 'til Maddie is found and then staying to "clear their names", as soon as they are questioned properly - something that should have happened months ago, as happens to other families in similar circmstances - they suddenly run back "home". It stinks

There is another angle to this I wonder if they have considered.

If Maddie is suspected of being murdered, the jurisdiction of the crime technically does not matter. Maddie was a British national - her parents, now suspects, are British Nationals - the fact that the crime was committed abroad, and out of UK jurisdiction would not stop the British Pllice investigating fully and properly the death of a British National once they return to the UK.

At one point will the authorities stop handling these people with kid gloves and treat them like every other murder case, and aggressively pursue lines of inquiry and suspects, regardless of whether or not that includes the parents.

Or why not just admit the so called "middle classes" are above the law when it comes to acts committed against children, as opposed to the poor working classes and poor single parent families.

Who get hauled before court by social services if they leave their kids alone for a few hours while they pop out for a pint and some chips, and the kid[s] don't even get hurt.

[Amy21]

Originally posted by Sunny_01
They have had over a 100 days to bring their children home to return to normal life, this all seems very unusual to me. We will stay has been the message all along, question them, make them suspects and hey ho we are off home for the sake of our other children!!!

I think it has nothing to do with them being questioned as suspects for them to make up an excuse to go home. I think reality has hit them hard and they have thought its best for them to go home now so their other children can get back to normal life. It cant be good for them to be away from home and not be living their normal life. They need to get back into normality if their children want a decent life. I dont think or suspect anything wrong with them now deciding to go home. I think its the right thing to do. I hope for their sakes they can adjust back into their lives as best as possible. Come on everyone have a heart there child has been kidnapped surely you must know how awful they must be feeling right now. Give them a break and support them through this hard time. And also keep hoping and praying Madeleine turns up safe and sound and back to her parents .

[Retroman]

All I can say is, why would anyone kill their own daughter?
[if one of the parents was a little disturbed, the chances of them both being murderers/mentally unstable is slim to none.]

Then, turn it into a worldwide event and attract endless police and people of authority, investigation teams etc? Only to draw attention to themselves and potentially get thrown in prison for several life sentences.

I think people believe they killed their own child because that makes a better story, and also gives them someone to blame instead of constantly wondering what happened.

Now if you're suggesting they paid someone to kidnap and kill their child for them, again..they'd both have to be mentally disturbed in order to do such a thing. And im pretty sure their quality of life wasn't all that bad, so I don't see what they had to gain out of it.

[Sticks]

One thought I wondered is will Leicestershire social services take their other children off of them or at least put them on the at risk register, since the parents are formally suspected of killing their eldest child.

If I was in charge of social services there, that is what I would do, at least to make sure the department was covered.

[Psylocke]

Originally posted by Retroman
All I can say is, why would anyone kill their own daughter?
[if one of the parents was a little disturbed, the chances of them both being murderers/mentally unstable is slim to none.]

Then, turn it into a worldwide event and attract endless police and people of authority, investigation teams etc? Only to draw attention to themselves and potentially get thrown in prison for several life sentences.

I think people believe they killed their own child because that makes a better story, and also gives them someone to blame instead of constantly wondering what happened.

Now if you're suggesting they paid someone to kidnap and kill their child for them, again..they'd both have to be mentally disturbed in order to do such a thing. And Im pretty sure their quality of life wasn't all that bad, so I don't see what they had to gain out of it.

Theres somthing called Accidental Murder.And if the sedating story is true,highly plausible

[Retroman]

Well if that was true, they'd still have to be mentally unstable to invite everyone to investigate...and potentially find them out.
Plus it was accidental, so they shouldn't need to worry about being convicted murderers.

And if one parent killed their child, the other one would have had to agree to keep it quiet. If my partner accidentally killed my child I wouldn't want to protect them. But of course, that's just me.

But yea, basically...
They killed their child by accident, so decided to improve matters by lying to the entire world that she'd been kidnapped, and thus potentially go to jail for that too.

Also, if they disposed of the body somewhere..it must be nearby and in the UK. Surely friends and family, or even neighbours and townspeople would be aware of them disappearing out of the country for a while before telling the police their daughter was missing.

And for two regular parents, they've done an awful good job of hiding her over here. Especially considering everyone is aware of their missing daughter.

You can't go around accusing parents of murdering their children just because you're growing tired of not finding out who it was...
And throwing plausible stories around doesn't make them true either.

You're quite possibly contributing to the ruin of two people's names, who have done nothing but been through the trauma of losing their daughter.

[Sunny_01]

Originally posted by Amy21

I think it has nothing to do with them being questioned as suspects for them to make up an excuse to go home. I think reality has hit them hard and they have thought its best for them to go home now so their other children can get back to normal life. It cant be good for them to be away from home and not be living their normal life. They need to get back into normality if their children want a decent life. I dont think or suspect anything wrong with them now deciding to go home. I think its the right thing to do. I hope for their sakes they can adjust back into their lives as best as possible. Come on everyone have a heart there child has been kidnapped surely you must know how awful they must be feeling right now. Give them a break and support them through this hard time. And also keep hoping and praying Madeleine turns up safe and sound and back to her parents .

I agree it is right for the children to be home living as normal a life as is possible. I have said from Maddie being missing a couple of weeks that they should get the other children home and into some kind of normal routine, I know as a parent thats what I would like to think I would have done.

You know what Amy I really, really do hope they are innocent, I have said before that I dont want them to be involved, I cant get my head round how parents would ever hurt their children. However the reality is parents do hurt their kids and just because they have been in the public eye and are middle class does not mean they can be above suspicion. I have said before and I will say again I really want to be wrong on my gut feelings about this case.

As for Maddie, I will keep praying for that little girl, I have 2 daughters and can not imagine one of them being missing from my life, just the thought makes me sad.

[Sticks]

On one of the other forums, some of the posters have been saying that Leicestershire Social services should remove or put on the at risk register their other children. They are after all suspected of killing their child, and according to the radio the Portuguese police believe they have enough evidence already to convict them.

If I were in LSS, I definitely would be taking action, if only to make sure the department was covered.

[Sunny_01]

I am pretty sure that Leicester Social serivces will be doing something to ensure the safety of the 2 children. They may not whip them away as that is very difficult for young children to understand, especially those who have already lost a sibling and had their routine thrown to pot by being in another country for a couple of months. Also we need to remember they are not and have not at this time been found guilty of any crime. Social services will not want to make any hasty decisions that show them in a bad light.

If portugese police already had enough to arrest and convict them then why did they let them leave the country. All of what we hear is rumour at this point.

I would suspect they will evaluate them and ensure that the family has regular supervision to maintain contact with the children.

[Sunny_01]

It appears Portugese police are continuing to try and build a case against the Mcanns

http://news.sky.com/skynews/article/...283359,00.html

[Jackie]

I watch the mccanns on gmtv this morning landing at the airport and arriving home the press are everywhere.

[Sticks]

Originally posted by Sunny_01
Also we need to remember they are not and have not at this time been found guilty of any crime. Social services will not want to make any hasty decisions that show them in a bad light.

What about "Better safe than sorry and pilloried in the press"

According to the BBC (link)

Police and representatives from Leicestershire social services are meeting on Monday afternoon to discuss Madeleine's disappearance and the naming of her parents as suspects.

Social Services are already on the case.

[bananarama]

Leaving Portugal at this time is I think the best they could do. The Portuguese press are whipping up a frenzy of anti Mc'cann feelings and as such some hot heads might attempt violence against them. In all their interests leaving Portugal has to be the wisest decision. Guilty or not.......

If the Mc'cann's had intended to hurt the twins then it would have happened long ago....If they are responsible for the loss of their eldest daughter I think it is almost certainly a tragic accident of some sort rather than cold blooded neglect or murder.

I doubt the twins are at risk at all with all the media glare and accusations I think they will go out of there way to see they remain safe..

At this stage until more is known about the evidence that an incompetent police force have gathered I think social services should monitor but not remove from parents.

Children so young need their parents and to remove them could be psycholigically very damaging for the kids...

What matters is what is best for the children and not if social services get egg on their faces.

[Sticks]

Some forums are getting a bit wary of this subject, since anyone voicing certain opinions as to the involvement of the McCanns in certain ways is being seen to be libellous.

Is this a subject we should continue to discuss here?

Can we have a moderator ruling here.

[bananarama]

More details about the DNA in the car just announced. They found half a match DNA and a Full match DNA in the car. They do not say what the DNA was from however. Also a DNA macth on the window sill of the apartment.......The evidence is being submitted to the Portuguese prosecuter for consideration tomorrow...

The devil will still be in the detail as there are possible reasons for them finding DNA where they have.....

[spacebandit]

Originally posted by Sticks
Some forums are getting a bit wary of this subject, since anyone voicing certain opinions as to the involvement of the McCanns in certain ways is being seen to be libellous.

Is this a subject we should continue to discuss here?

Can we have a moderator ruling here.

I will say that in strict terms of libel people here have expressed "opinions", also the McCanns are now officially suspects. whilst we can argue the semantics of the Portugese definition of "suspect", nevertheless suspects they are.

Opinions are not actionable under both libel and slander law, provided it is stated as such, "in my opinion", "I believe", "what I think may have happened is" - although a direct accusation, may, I would have to admit fall into a grey area.

Though because they have been named as suspects, then people may express an opinion.

As an aside, any civil preceedings would see them being cross examined properly - something that has not yet happened, as far as I can see, in my opinion

But perhaps moderators may want to err on the side of caution and remove any direct accusation, even mine if a moderator considers it such a direct accusation, although I believe I have made it clear I am expressing my personal opinions in posts I have made, and stand by all my own comments.

[Sunny_01]

I think that because the Mcanns created the huge media frenzy around Madeline that it is only acceptable that people continue to discuss this case.

Everyone on this site is simply voicing an opinion and we are after all entitled to do that without fear of libel suits.

Yes Sticks Social services will be meeting to discuss the other children, they have to but I would be very suprised if they took huge action at this stage. Being a field social worker in a previous life I certainly would not want to be involved in making the decisions about the Mcanns. Whatver decision they make it will be the wrong one.

I believe that in light of the fact that they are official suspects that some level of supervision is necessary at this stage, but I certainly dont think that they should take the children from them. Thats my thoughts on it though and we all have different ones.

[Jackie]

Originally posted by Sunny_01
I think that because the Mcanns created the huge media frenzy around Madeline that it is only acceptable that people continue to discuss this case.

Everyone on this site is simply voicing an opinion and we are after all entitled to do that without fear of libel suits.

Yes Sticks Social services will be meeting to discuss the other children, they have to but I would be very suprised if they took huge action at this stage. Being a field social worker in a previous life I certainly would not want to be involved in making the decisions about the Mcanns. Whatver decision they make it will be the wrong one.

I believe that in light of the fact that they are official suspects that some level of supervision is necessary at this stage, but I certainly dont think that they should take the children from them. Thats my thoughts on it though and we all have different ones.

yes i agree with you on this one.

[spacebandit]

Any "working class", "council estate" family, with one child missing, and lets be blunt, presumed murdered, where the parents where clearly at fault by leaving them alone while they went out for a drink would have social and child services crawling all over them - and I'd wager the other children would be removed until the affair was sorted out, and then if cleared the parents would have to go court to regain custody.

Yes, I do think they other children should be removed from them until the issue is resolved.

They could be placed in the care of the grand-parents with supervised access for the McCanns.

I don't apologise if this sounds harsh, but it happens very very frequently in this country - and I do not see why this case should be any different.

[spitfire]

Originally posted by spacebandit
Any "working class", "council estate" family, with one child missing, and lets be blunt, presumed murdered, where the parents where clearly at fault by leaving them alone while they went out for a drink would have social and child services crawling all over them - and I'd wager the other children would be removed until the affair was sorted out, and then if cleared the parents would have to go court to regain custody.

Yes, I do think they other children should be removed from them until the issue is resolved.

They could be placed in the care of the grand-parents with supervised access for the McCanns.

I don't apologise if this sounds harsh, but it happens very very frequently in this country - and I do not see why this case should be any different.

Dead on.Absolute nail on head.