[Jake!]

Originally posted by Annie

I would also be ignorant and selfish to wanting to protect my life more than something that does not yet have a life.

Shoot me now.

But people on this forum are saying that woman should be forced to have children so people can adopt. That is pathetic.

No I never said it that way, I meant it like its a way around possibly killing a child you might regret getting rid of a year or two later.

[Tom]

Originally posted by JDIZZEL

I may be Ignorant and silightly selfish for caring about myself. But I am NOT sexist....

NO uterus NO opinion... When men can have children lets have the womans choice/ Mans choice argument then.. kay?

Would they be pregnant in the first place? And if its no uterus, no opinion yet the man doesn't want the baby and the woman does, THEN when the baby is born the woman chases the man up using the courts to PAY for the baby even though he didn't want it, then why should he have to? Should he just put up with it because she said so? The baby wouldn't even be here if it was the other way around and he wanted it.

You've spectacularly contradicted yourself in that post too, you're not sexist then go on to say "NO uterus NO opinion".

I never normally get angry at forum debates but I actually want to hit you after that comment which is quite rare for me ...

[Jen]

Originally posted by Tom

Would they be pregnant in the first place? And if its no uterus, no opinion yet the man doesn't want the baby and the woman does, THEN when the baby is born the woman chases the man up using the courts to PAY for the baby even though he didn't want it, then why should he have to? Should he just put up with it because she said so? The baby wouldn't even be here if it was the other way around and he wanted it.

You've spectacularly contradicted yourself in that post too, you're not sexist then go on to say "NO uterus NO opinion".

I never normally get angry at forum debates but I actually want to hit you after that comment which is quite rare for me ...

Its not sexist that you dont have a fecking vagina....

Jeez.

[Annie]

Tom there is no need to want to hit someone over this.

I am really upset about this debate as well but its just cos its a topic that sooo many people feel so strongly about - whether it being for or against.

But there is no need to want to hit someone.

[Jake!]

JDIZZEL I aggre its not sexist or selfish that you control your own body, but don't you think abortion should be within ten weeks when its just a fertilized egg.

[LemonJam]

*Butters popcorn*

[Jake!]

I never actually expected this muchfuss since most of my threads get two posts and thats it.

[Tom]

Originally posted by Annie

I would also be ignorant and selfish to wanting to protect my life more than something that does not yet have a life.

Shoot me now.

But people on this forum are saying that woman should be forced to have children so people can adopt. That is pathetic.

Its also pathetic to think "I don't want this baby but someone else does, but I'll get rid of it anyway".

And how do you know it doesn't already have a life? You're constantly going on about it just because legally it doesn't, yet you still haven't responded to my question set pages back.

There are loads of premature babies born on or around the abortion limits but they live to be normal and healthy, yet its perfectly legal to kill these babies. Could you honestly kill an unborn baby at a stage where you know it can grow up perfectly healthy?

[Tom]

Originally posted by Annie
Tom there is no need to want to hit someone over this.

I am really upset about this debate as well but its just cos its a topic that sooo many people feel so strongly about - whether it being for or against.

But there is no need to want to hit someone.

I don't normally, but when someone contradicts themselves that much and force feeds their opinion onto you time and time again. Shes been doing it all the way through the thread in a way that isn't debate and I'm sorry but its making me angry because shes that forceful in her arguments. Its not in a way that can be debated back calmly and just makes my opinions even stronger rather than persuading me to switch.

[Jake!]

Originally posted by Tom

Its also pathetic to think "I don't want this baby but someone else does, but I'll get rid of it anyway".

And how do you know it doesn't already have a life? You're constantly going on about it just because legally it doesn't, yet you still haven't responded to my question set pages back.

There are loads of premature babies born on or around the abortion limits but they live to be normal and healthy, yet its perfectly legal to kill these babies. Could you honestly kill an unborn baby at a stage where you know it can grow up perfectly healthy?

The answer when you put it like that is no, but there's no gareentee that YOURS is going to live. Its just some cases. There are loads of cases, not everyone is the same.

[Jake!]

Originally posted by Tom

I don't normally, but when someone contradicts themselves that much and force feeds their opinion onto you time and time again. Shes been doing it all the way through the thread in a way that isn't debate and I'm sorry but its making me angry because shes that forceful in her arguments. Its not in a way that can be debated back calmly and just makes my opinions even stronger rather than persuading me to switch.

Everyone's enforced an opinion, because its an opinion. Its what we do as humans.

[Jen]

Tom... My opionions have been the same strength as anyone elses..

You.. who wants to hit me because I have a different opinion - Yeah thats mature.

[Tom]

Originally posted by JDIZZEL

Its not sexist that you dont have a fecking vagina....

Jeez.

Without men the baby wouldn't be there. To say that only women should get a say is pathetic. Yet when men don't want anything to do with the baby but the woman has it anyway, then she makes him pay for the baby he doesn't want, why is that fair?

[Tom]

Originally posted by JDIZZEL
Tom... My opionions have been the same strength as anyone elses..

You.. who wants to hit me because I have a different opinion - Yeah thats mature.

No, the way you talk speaking in CAPITALS at points to get your thoughts across, nothing to do with having different opinions. I've had nothing bad to say about Ruth, Annie etc- all arguing their points well IMO. You've got good points, you're just putting them across in an extremely irritating way.

[Jen]

Originally posted by Tom

Without men the baby wouldn't be there. To say that only women should get a say is pathetic. Yet when men don't want anything to do with the baby but the woman has it anyway, then she makes him pay for the baby he doesn't want, why is that fair?

This thread is about abortion not, "Having a baby then getting money of your partner? Right or wrong?"

[Jake!]

^ Thats the point I've alredy made

EDIT: Tom

[Tom]

Originally posted by JustJake

The answer when you put it like that is no, but there's no gareentee that YOURS is going to live. Its just some cases. There are loads of cases, not everyone is the same.

But knowing it could?

[Jen]

Originally posted by Tom

No, the way you talk speaking in CAPITALS at points to get your thoughts across, nothing to do with having different opinions. I've had nothing bad to say about Ruth, Annie etc- all arguing their points well IMO. You've got good points, you're just putting them across in an extremely irritating way.

I am sorry about that... thats my form of typing and I am actually sorry if I come across intimidating in anyy way.
But please don't consider hitting me... :S

[Jake!]

Originally posted by Tom

But knowing it could?

Pobablly guilty, but how could you live knowing you child would've have died in a lot more pain in the world or living with very big disabilites. Because of one mistake not to get an abortion.

[Tom]

Originally posted by JDIZZEL

This thread is about abortion not, "Having a baby then getting money of your partner? Right or wrong?"

Debates move on. But linking back to the point of the thread (if you're so bothered about it) what gives a woman more rights to play God over a childs life, than someone who is equally at "fault" for getting it there in the first place? If the dad wanted it but the mother didn't, you said its fine to get rid of the baby and its out of everyones life then, including the mothers which was the main point. But what about if he wanted it and she doesn't? When women have children that the fathers don't want, they are forced to be a part of the childs life whether they like it or not. Why is that different when its the other way around?

(Now do you see where I was going with it?)

[Tom]

Originally posted by JDIZZEL

I am sorry about that... thats my form of typing and I am actually sorry if I come across intimidating in anyy way.
But please don't consider hitting me... :S

LOL I'm sorry about the way I worded it, I just get really annoyed the way some people put their points across in a way thats saying "I'm right, you're wrong", not like other people who do it so you can respond to it. Don't hold it against me

[Jen]

Originally posted by Tom
Debates move on. But linking back to the point of the thread (if you're so bothered about it) what gives a woman more rights to play God over a childs life, than someone who is equally at "fault" for getting it there in the first place? If the dad wanted it but the mother didn't, you said its fine to get rid of the baby and its out of everyones life then, including the mothers which was the main point. But what about if he wanted it and she doesn't? When women have children that the fathers don't want, they are forced to be a part of the childs life whether they like it or not. Why is that any different?

(Now do you see where I was going with it?)

Tbh, If I did have a baby, then the father just left me... I would not force him to be with me... that is nearly as bad as forcing a woman to have a child. No man/woman should be forced into being a parent when they clearly do not want to be one..

[pinkmichk]

i havent read all the replies since i posted but i just wanted to say this kinda topic can go round and round in circles cos its that kinda topic that clearly has 2 different camps of for and against and i have found myself that people who believe either for or against have made their minds up and nothing is gonna change those cos its something they feel very strongly about

[Jen]

Originally posted by Tom

LOL I'm sorry about the way I worded it, I just get really annoyed the way some people put their points across in a way thats saying "I'm right, you're wrong", not like other people who do it so you can respond to it. Don't hold it against me

I won't LOL
I just get very heated in these conversations.. I'm really sorry if I was a scary bear when I was posting...

[Annie]

Jen you were a scary bear