[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

No. I expect either a new referendum to discuss no deal, or we leave with a deal. It's not that complicated considering ND was project fear first time around, and now you're all claiming it's what you wanted all along.

I think thats too many votes tbh. We all know the majority (yes, even leavers) wanted a deal, and expected one. A few might not have, but..its just bull to say all leavers want no deal. So only one more vote. As I said, no deal crash, or revoke.

Whichever is chosen, do. If it does end up being crash, do it and hope for the best, no more voting as its clear. At least that way, people knew what they voted for.

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

I think thats too many votes tbh. We all know the majority (yes, even leavers) wanted a deal, and expected one. A few might not have, but..its just bull to say all leavers want no deal. So only one more vote. As I said, no deal crash, or revoke.

Whichever is chosen, do. If it does end up being crash, do it and hope for the best, no more voting as its clear. At least that way, people knew what they voted for.

That's 1 vote. They get their deal and we leave, or we go to a new referendum of ND vs remain.

[The Slim Reaper]

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

That's 1 vote. They get their deal and we leave, or we go to a new referendum of ND vs remain.

Haha, have confused myself now here. As you said another vote, no deal or deal. But then, if a deal cannot be reached (which at this point its clear it can't) then another vote, no deal or remain.

Thats another 2?

When we all know at this stage, a decent deal was pie in the sky nonsense, no acceptable deal is possible at this stage, so the 'no deal or deal' thing can surely be..well disregarded as its the situation we have been in for years now with no going foward

Really, should kinda be accepted now that if we leave at all, it will be with no deal. And of course, that 'project fear' was..well accurate (at least in that part). As the possibility of crashing out without a deal was apparently just remoaner scaremongering which would never ever ever happen so could be utterly disregarded

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Alf

I can try and answer for you.

You expect leavers to keep going back to ballot box on the issue, until they lose.

Am I close?

Not really. However, given a lot of people voted leave as they were promised that a deal would be super easy, and the EU would bend over backwards to give us a good one (for what reason, I don't know) and everything..

1) I expect them not to resort to violence and stamping feet like children. Nor for this to be excused or made out to be a normal response in any way..
2)I don't think its too unreasonable to have a vote that is basically, given a deal seems out of the window and a deal was a large part of the leave campaign..no deal or revoke. Only thing that makes any sense at this stage.

Hell I know leavers who are quite mortified with how everything turned out as they really did expect sunshine and rainbows and the Eu licking our backsides and basically, all the bad of being an EU member gone, with the good kept. Who say if they knew all this no deal body bag storing crap we have right now, they would never have voted at all. And thats just my parents Others seem a bit more..angry about the lies they were fed and not quite as..nice getting the point across.

Also know a few who are all 'rargh, crash out, we will survive, get the browns out, rule Britannia! Democracy!', but those seem in the minority thank goodness.

So no continually voting until one result comes. But 1 vote thats actually honest, to settle things. Given leavers are so confident that MORE people want to leave (and with no deal..) now, I don't see why they are scared of a vote to confirm this Also don't think its un-democratic to do this, given the whole 'deal will be simple' stuff that turned out to be possibly the biggest lie told in all of it.

[Alf]

I think Boris is just gonna take us out with no deal on Halloween, if the Parliament can't agree on anything by then.

He'll deal with the consequences after, but if he doesn't get us out by any means necessary on Halloween, then he probably destroys his party, which is why I think no deal is happening on Halloween.

[bots]

Originally Posted by Alf

I think Boris is just gonna take us out with no deal on Halloween, if the Parliament can't agree on anything by then.

He'll deal with the consequences after, but if he doesn't get us out by any means necessary on Halloween, then he probably destroys his party, which is why I think no deal is happening on Halloween.

He has to request an extension if we don't get a deal by the 14th I think the date is, so if he doesn't do it, he will not be PM and will not be able to take us out without a deal.

[arista]

The SNP say next week they Want
Johnson PM
OUT,
They are ready to back Corbyn as the temp PM

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by arista

They are ready to back Corbyn as the temp PM

Will this be him only..being caretaker for the brexit thing? Or having power to do other stuff too? As basically, I really do not want to crash out, but I also really really do not want Corbyn having any kind of power as..well some of his views and things he has said he will do terrify me to be quite honest. I agree with a LOT of his policies, no austerity and such. But others..nope nope nope. So that possibly would be lose lose for me, and a very difficult decision in my head!

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Will this be him only..being caretaker for the brexit thing? Or having power to do other stuff too? As basically, I really do not want to crash out, but I also really really do not want Corbyn having any kind of power as..well some of his views and things he has said he will do terrify me to be quite honest. I agree with a LOT of his policies, no austerity and such. But others..nope nope nope. So that possibly would be lose lose for me, and a very difficult decision in my head!

Yes.
Only a caretaking government Vicky.

To get the extension, remove no deal as a scenario.
Then once that's done call a general election.

An agreed caretaking period only to secure that extension and clear the no deal threat.

Anything else he has no numbers for anyway.
It would be an agreed time limited frame too.

However, the numbers aren't there for Corbyn and the opposition parties.
The Lib Dems aren't there, yet.

Also though, the Independents votes would be needed to bring this limited period purpose about.

[Scarlett.]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Will this be him only..being caretaker for the brexit thing? Or having power to do other stuff too? As basically, I really do not want to crash out, but I also really really do not want Corbyn having any kind of power as..well some of his views and things he has said he will do terrify me to be quite honest. I agree with a LOT of his policies, no austerity and such. But others..nope nope nope. So that possibly would be lose lose for me, and a very difficult decision in my head!

His majority would be made up from the other parties, basically, he wouldn't really have any power outside of what needs to be done, would be impossible for him to make a power grab

[Twosugars]

Originally Posted by Dia.

His majority would be made up from the other parties, basically, he wouldn't really have any power outside of what needs to be done, would be impossible for him to make a power grab

Great point.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Dia.

His majority would be made up from the other parties, basically, he wouldn't really have any power outside of what needs to be done, would be impossible for him to make a power grab

Dead right.
Well said.

I tried explaining this earlier, you put it more easy on the eyes to read than me however.

[user104658]

I'm honestly starting to think that hard Brexit or not, whatever happens there, Mr Johnson might have gotten himself into some deep water...

[arista]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

I'm honestly starting to think that hard Brexit or not, whatever happens there, Mr Johnson might have gotten himself into some deep water...

Sure he can
take that.

Swim the Swamp
to Solve it all
With Dom , assisting

[Twosugars]

The civil servant in charge of Brexit implementation has quit.

Matthew Coats’s departure in the next few weeks is a blow to the government’s no-deal planning as he was also in charge of delivering frictionless borders.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Twosugars

The civil servant in charge of Brexit implementation has quit.

Matthew Coats’s departure in the next few weeks is a blow to the government’s no-deal planning as he was also in charge of delivering frictionless borders.

What choice do you have but to resign, when saddled with an impossible task?

[Twosugars]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

What choice do you have but to resign, when saddled with an impossible task?

Part of me (the same part that enjoys watching horror movies) wants to see no deal brexit mess followed by an ignominious fall of this government, disgraced forever.
But then I think of the damage and check myself

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Twosugars

Part of me (the same part that enjoys watching horror movies) wants to see no deal brexit mess followed by an ignominious fall of this government, disgraced forever.
But then I think of the damage and check myself

Honestly if this was happening before I'd had kids I'd have been selfishly enjoying every minute of the train crash. I have anarchist tendencies at heart . But with kids (and especially having a child with a disability) it's... ... ... significantly less entertaining.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Honestly if this was happening before I'd had kids I'd have been selfishly enjoying every minute of the train crash. I have anarchist tendencies at heart . But with kids (and especially having a child with a disability) it's... ... ... significantly less entertaining.

Exactly.
That all puts a whole new perspective on the issue.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Honestly if this was happening before I'd had kids I'd have been selfishly enjoying every minute of the train crash. I have anarchist tendencies at heart . But with kids (and especially having a child with a disability) it's... ... ... significantly less entertaining.

My thoughts on the topic exactly tbh

[Twosugars]

He is the swamp

Brexit MPs in cahoots with disaster capitalist vultures waiting to get fat on brexit

[arista]

[Scarlett.]

Originally Posted by arista

God I hate newspaper 'comedy'

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Dia.

God I hate newspaper 'comedy'

Boomer humour in general is terrible, juvenile and completely unfunny to all but the simplest of minds.