[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

I am liking this... sack those hard brexit basts! moggwump and his darkside chums need to sit the feck down.
We want it soft ( I am aware how wrong that sounds) and we want to keep rights protections and justice!!

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-a8436556.html

The Brexit vote made it quite clear we don’t want soft. Currently May seems to be proposing either ‘softer’ or to go straight for hard if not accepted by the EU.

[arista]

2 Brexit ministers have resigned in all
David Davis MP
and
Steve Baker MP

[Underscore]

If there is a leadership challenge I'm fully supporting Sajid Javid.

The thought of Gove or Johnson becoming PM of this country gives me shivers.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Underscore

If there is a leadership challenge I'm fully supporting Sajid Javid.

The thought of Gove or Johnson becoming PM of this country gives me shivers.

good choice

[arista]

Dominic Raab MP is the new Brexit Secretary



https://news.sky.com/story/live-ther...etary-11430763

[arista]

[Kizzy]

How i hate being right about everything.... brexit was a backdoor to right wing fascism, as proffered here by, of course.... the times!

Know what I see coming now?... A new BUF.

https://www.indy100.com/article/mela...ave-eu-8439161


In The greater Britain, Mosley’s plan for achieving a fascist state was remarkably
orthodox. Mosley believed violent revolution should be avoided, and his visit to
Italy further confirmed this belief. Nicolson paraphrased Mussolini’s advice to
Mosley as a warning “not to try the military stunt in England.”
165 Instead,
Mosley’s approach to gaining power emphasized “loyalty to the crown.”
166 He
wanted to achieve fascism by the simple method of gaining a parliamentary
majority at election.167 With this accomplished, “government will be drastically
altered by the legal constitutional means to which we adhere, in order to provide
the effective instruments of government and of action which modern problems
demand.”168 Mosley explicitly indicated that his movement would work through
the current political system.

These alterations included a retooling of the present House of Commons. Mosley
believed that the inherent fault with the present Parliamentary system lay in the
nature of the electoral system. Instead of judging candidates on their ability to
lead or their technical expertise, constituents voted for those who demonstrated
“assiduity in opening local charity bazaars,” or “lung power at street corners.”169
Representatives therefore focused on achieving success in the political game. As
such, they often did not possess the effective technical knowledge needed to
make policy decisions. In a “vastly technical age,” Mosley believed that this old
system of politics was unworkable.

Mosley demonstrated his “loyalty to the Crown” by
restoring part of the King’s traditional powers.
185 Mosley hoped to assuage
popular fear that a fascist state would lead to a tyrannical regime. To combat this
fear, his system entailed a powerful executive Minister still beholden to the
approval of the people and the King. He thus illustrated that a fascist government
fixated on economic growth need not be a despotic one.
To achieve this growth, Mosley advocated for the necessity of the “corporate
state.” He borrowed this concept from Italian fascism. The Italian Corporate
system or “Corporativismo” mostly allowed for private industry, but intervened
in the interest of the state when necessary.

From 1932-1934, Mosley‟s movement grew steadily. However, in the early
months of 1934 the BUF enjoyed a significant leap in membership. This increase
was largely due to the public endorsement of the BUF by Lord Rothermere. A
well-known conservative newspaper baron with fascist leanings, Rothermere
threw the full support of his newspaper the Daily Mail behind the BUF On
January 8, 1934 Rothermere published an article in the Daily Mail entitled
“Hurrah for the Blackshirts!” praising Mosley‟s movement.219 A few weeks later,
he wrote another article defending the BUF from accusations that Mosley aimed
for a “system of rulership by means of steel whips and concentration camps.”220
In the same article, he also attacked critics of the BUF as “tired alarmists” and
“panic mongers.”221 Rothermere’s continued support did much to legitimize the
movement, and membership skyrocketed.

The London Police “Special
Branch,” responsible for monitoring underground political activities, reported on
May 25 that “the leaders of the Communist Party have definitely decided that
something spectacular must be carried out by members of the organization
against the fascists at Olympia.”236 The plan was for the anti-fascists to locate
themselves in pockets throughout the crowd. Following Mosley‟s introduction,
they would trade off chanting slogans in a pre-determined order. Other
disruptors were to attempt to cut the lighting cables at a particular moment.237
To disguise themselves and spread confusion, Communist Party members
planned to wear black shirts.238

During Mosley‟s speech, groups of interrupters continually shouted such slogans
as “Fascism Means Murder: Down with Mosley” until they were removed.239 As
soon as one group was removed, another would take up the chant. This type of
interruption continued for a whole hour, while Mosley spoke in fits and starts.
Eventually, the stewards succeeded in removing enough objectors to allow the
speech to continue uninterrupted. All told, the Blackshirts forcibly removed
about thirty protesters.240 Still, Mosley managed to complete the speech.
Outside of the Olympia, the police arrested 21 anti-fascist protesters for various
charges of obstruction, public disturbance and refusing to cooperate.241

That night, Mosley appeared on the BBC to discuss the events at Olympia.
Joining him was Gerald Barry, the editor of the News Chronicle, who had been
present at the speech. On the broadcast, Mosley claimed that the Communists
had come with the intent to “shout down free speech.” Armed with weapons,
these disruptors resisted ejection violently. Mosley asked the audience “Now I
put it to you, to your sense of fair play: would you have handled these Reds very
gently?- when you had seen your men kicked in the stomach and slashed with
razors, and your women with their faces streaming in blood?” Gerald Barry, in
contrast, denied seeing any weapons, but testified to seeing interrupters “being
struck on the head, in the stomach, and all over the body with complete absence
of restraint.”


The BUF responded in the press by claiming “Socialists, Communists and Jews
openly organised not only to attack the meetings but to close the streets of
London by violence


https://depts.washington.edu/chid/in...sh_Fascism.pdf

[arista]

Yes Kizzy
its the Riddle that is endless.
Those Fascists are nothing to do with many of us, of course

The EU will not allow Pick and Mix. (stated from day one)
So the PM needs to go out there, herself.
And stay overnight there

As for The WTO getting out of the EU
everyone is saying she will not have
the numbers to approve it ,in a vote.

The Media is saying the 120 page white paper
is due in 2 days , Thursday.
but it might be on Monday , now ?

[arista]

A couple of Junior
bag carriers have resigned.

https://news.sky.com/story/live-ther...risis-11431655

[NEW. More Brexiteers resign to cause max damage for May as she meets Merkel >>>
Maria Caulfield, MP, and Ben Bradley, MP, quit vice chairs of the Party because of their opposition to PM's Chequers policy
4:47 PM - Jul 10, 2018 ]



The Current Conservative cabinet today

[arista]

[Wetherspoons boss Tim Martin attacks PM's Brexit plan
Tim Martin's company has already begun replacing EU-sourced drinks
with British alternatives as the UK prepares to leave the bloc.]

https://news.sky.com/story/wetherspo...-plan-11432934

He does not like her New Plan
tomorrow the 120 paged is due to be released.


[ said: "99% of the benefits of leaving the EU, including the avoidance of
vast financial contributions, the elimination of tariffs and the reacquisition
of fishing rights, need no agreement from any third party.]

[arista]

Dominic Raab MP is new Brexit Secretary
just had his speech stopped.



For 5 mins
as not all members
had the 120 page white paper with them.

https://news.sky.com/story/live-brex...mmons-11434059

Sign Of The Times

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

How i hate being right about everything.... brexit was a backdoor to right wing fascism, as proffered here by, of course.... the times!

Know what I see coming now?... A new BUF.

https://www.indy100.com/article/mela...ave-eu-8439161


In The greater Britain, Mosley’s plan for achieving a fascist state was remarkably
orthodox. Mosley believed violent revolution should be avoided, and his visit to
Italy further confirmed this belief. Nicolson paraphrased Mussolini’s advice to
Mosley as a warning “not to try the military stunt in England.”
165 Instead,
Mosley’s approach to gaining power emphasized “loyalty to the crown.”
166 He
wanted to achieve fascism by the simple method of gaining a parliamentary
majority at election.167 With this accomplished, “government will be drastically
altered by the legal constitutional means to which we adhere, in order to provide
the effective instruments of government and of action which modern problems
demand.”168 Mosley explicitly indicated that his movement would work through
the current political system.

These alterations included a retooling of the present House of Commons. Mosley
believed that the inherent fault with the present Parliamentary system lay in the
nature of the electoral system. Instead of judging candidates on their ability to
lead or their technical expertise, constituents voted for those who demonstrated
“assiduity in opening local charity bazaars,” or “lung power at street corners.”169
Representatives therefore focused on achieving success in the political game. As
such, they often did not possess the effective technical knowledge needed to
make policy decisions. In a “vastly technical age,” Mosley believed that this old
system of politics was unworkable.

Mosley demonstrated his “loyalty to the Crown” by
restoring part of the King’s traditional powers.
185 Mosley hoped to assuage
popular fear that a fascist state would lead to a tyrannical regime. To combat this
fear, his system entailed a powerful executive Minister still beholden to the
approval of the people and the King. He thus illustrated that a fascist government
fixated on economic growth need not be a despotic one.
To achieve this growth, Mosley advocated for the necessity of the “corporate
state.” He borrowed this concept from Italian fascism. The Italian Corporate
system or “Corporativismo” mostly allowed for private industry, but intervened
in the interest of the state when necessary.

From 1932-1934, Mosley‟s movement grew steadily. However, in the early
months of 1934 the BUF enjoyed a significant leap in membership. This increase
was largely due to the public endorsement of the BUF by Lord Rothermere. A
well-known conservative newspaper baron with fascist leanings, Rothermere
threw the full support of his newspaper the Daily Mail behind the BUF On
January 8, 1934 Rothermere published an article in the Daily Mail entitled
“Hurrah for the Blackshirts!” praising Mosley‟s movement.219 A few weeks later,
he wrote another article defending the BUF from accusations that Mosley aimed
for a “system of rulership by means of steel whips and concentration camps.”220
In the same article, he also attacked critics of the BUF as “tired alarmists” and
“panic mongers.”221 Rothermere’s continued support did much to legitimize the
movement, and membership skyrocketed.

The London Police “Special
Branch,” responsible for monitoring underground political activities, reported on
May 25 that “the leaders of the Communist Party have definitely decided that
something spectacular must be carried out by members of the organization
against the fascists at Olympia.”236 The plan was for the anti-fascists to locate
themselves in pockets throughout the crowd. Following Mosley‟s introduction,
they would trade off chanting slogans in a pre-determined order. Other
disruptors were to attempt to cut the lighting cables at a particular moment.237
To disguise themselves and spread confusion, Communist Party members
planned to wear black shirts.238

During Mosley‟s speech, groups of interrupters continually shouted such slogans
as “Fascism Means Murder: Down with Mosley” until they were removed.239 As
soon as one group was removed, another would take up the chant. This type of
interruption continued for a whole hour, while Mosley spoke in fits and starts.
Eventually, the stewards succeeded in removing enough objectors to allow the
speech to continue uninterrupted. All told, the Blackshirts forcibly removed
about thirty protesters.240 Still, Mosley managed to complete the speech.
Outside of the Olympia, the police arrested 21 anti-fascist protesters for various
charges of obstruction, public disturbance and refusing to cooperate.241

That night, Mosley appeared on the BBC to discuss the events at Olympia.
Joining him was Gerald Barry, the editor of the News Chronicle, who had been
present at the speech. On the broadcast, Mosley claimed that the Communists
had come with the intent to “shout down free speech.” Armed with weapons,
these disruptors resisted ejection violently. Mosley asked the audience “Now I
put it to you, to your sense of fair play: would you have handled these Reds very
gently?- when you had seen your men kicked in the stomach and slashed with
razors, and your women with their faces streaming in blood?” Gerald Barry, in
contrast, denied seeing any weapons, but testified to seeing interrupters “being
struck on the head, in the stomach, and all over the body with complete absence
of restraint.”


The BUF responded in the press by claiming “Socialists, Communists and Jews
openly organised not only to attack the meetings but to close the streets of
London by violence


https://depts.washington.edu/chid/in...sh_Fascism.pdf

Pull your dress down dearie - your egotistical slip is showing. (repetitively on numerous threads for a long time now.)

Though you are FAR from being; "always right" and certainly not "about everything".

[arista]

Labour's Keir Starmer
said its very wrong to not allow
members to read the White Paper before the Debate.

Of Course we just had 5mins of the Speaker saying just that.
and Suspending Parliament for another 5mins.

[arista]

The PM is on Marr BBC1HD from 9PM, live today
Explaining her new Brexit plan.

[smudgie]

Theresa May is either being sold down the river, or she is selling us down the river, either way, I reckon she is finished.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by smudgie

Theresa May is either being sold down the river, or she is selling us down the river, either way, I reckon she is finished.

Tend to agree.

[arista]

Originally Posted by smudgie

Theresa May is either being sold down the river, or she is selling us down the river, either way, I reckon she is finished.

If they get the 48 vote Letters
then they need around 100 Conservatives against her.
Then its a Internal Election.
but they need to do that fast
as Brexit matters more

[arista]

The PM is Live on BBC1HD now


Marr told her she cut out
David Davis and her dept.

The PM just said for some time she spoke of this new plan.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

Pull your dress down dearie - your egotistical slip is showing. (repetitively on numerous threads for a long time now.)

Though you are FAR from being; "always right" and certainly not "about everything".

How about you forgo the sarcasm for once and address the issue on the post?

[Cherie]

We won’t Brexit in any meaningful way

[Kizzy]

oh my good god... bojo has used the paper he works for ( owned by murdock) to interview STEVE BANNON to say he would make a great PM!!


No.... No right wing conspiracy here!!!

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...prime-minister

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Cherie

We won’t Brexit in any meaningful way

I think that is rather optimistic Cherie - there is quite a lot to suggest we will get a hard Brexit.

[bitontheslide]

We will get whatever brexit we get, its still brexit.We will not be part of the EU

[Nicky91]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

We will get whatever brexit we get, its still brexit.We will not be part of the EU

and that is good for the UK now i hope my country does a nexit, cause i don't want us to be a part of the EU either

[arista]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

oh my good god... bojo has used the paper he works for ( owned by murdock) to interview STEVE BANNON to say he would make a great PM!!


No.... No right wing conspiracy here!!!

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...prime-minister

Steve Bannon was GMBHD itv live
last week,
no such Conspiracy.

Also Boris is not standing for Leader, as yet,
he is going back to his newspaper column