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https://www.dutchnews.nl/news/2021/0...-vaccine-halt/

thrombosis experts furious about astrazeneca vaccine halt


‘If you ignore the experts, you are verging on arrogance,’ professor Hugo ten Cate told the Volkskrant. ‘I am becoming increasingly angry about how this has happened.’

‘All my colleagues are baffled,’ thrombosis expert Saskia Middeldorp told broadcaster NOS. ‘It is as if the people who decide this don’t realize the implications for our vaccination programme.’

Side effects

The decision to again halt the use of the AstraZeneca vaccine follows a report by side effects monitoring group Lareb on Friday, which said that one Dutch woman has died after being given the jab although no link has yet been shown with her symptoms.

In total, Lareb has had five reports of thrombosis seven to 10 days after the AstraZeneca injection, all involving women aged 25 to 65. Some 400,000 people were given the AstraZeneca vaccine during the period the problems were reported.

Similar reports have been made elsewhere in Europe, and European scientists suggest the vaccine could result in a severe reaction by the immune system.

The European Medicines Agency is due to give its position on Wednesday. ‘And if it gives the green light, how are doctors going to explain that the vaccine is safe after all?’ Kamphuisen said.

[Nicky91]

Netherlands current vaccination numbers

First Dose: 1.688.490

Second Dose: 690.062


so if we can resume after wednesday that would be great and hope EMA doesn't **** up this time around and a better quality review

since we haven't vaccinated all elderly yet either

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Nicky91

https://www.dutchnews.nl/news/2021/0...-vaccine-halt/

thrombosis experts furious about astrazeneca vaccine halt


‘If you ignore the experts, you are verging on arrogance,’ professor Hugo ten Cate told the Volkskrant. ‘I am becoming increasingly angry about how this has happened.’

‘All my colleagues are baffled,’ thrombosis expert Saskia Middeldorp told broadcaster NOS. ‘It is as if the people who decide this don’t realize the implications for our vaccination programme.’

Side effects

The decision to again halt the use of the AstraZeneca vaccine follows a report by side effects monitoring group Lareb on Friday, which said that one Dutch woman has died after being given the jab although no link has yet been shown with her symptoms.

In total, Lareb has had five reports of thrombosis seven to 10 days after the AstraZeneca injection, all involving women aged 25 to 65. Some 400,000 people were given the AstraZeneca vaccine during the period the problems were reported.

Similar reports have been made elsewhere in Europe, and European scientists suggest the vaccine could result in a severe reaction by the immune system.

The European Medicines Agency is due to give its position on Wednesday. ‘And if it gives the green light, how are doctors going to explain that the vaccine is safe after all?’ Kamphuisen said.

This is what makes me think there has to be a large political element to all of it. If actual thrombosis experts are saying there’s nothing to indicate the vaccine isn’t safe in terms of blood clots, who IS making that decision? How can they possibly be more qualified than the actual experts in that area? And if they’re not qualified, what is going on?

[Nicky91]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

This is what makes me think there has to be a large political element to all of it. If actual thrombosis experts are saying there’s nothing to indicate the vaccine isn’t safe in terms of blood clots, who IS making that decision? How can they possibly be more qualified than the actual experts in that area? And if they’re not qualified, what is going on?

No

this just confirms that it doesn't cause thrombosis, but that the blood clots are from something else, makes me think a bad batch or bad delivery, or what i earlier said and what some doctors here stupidly did administering the wrong dosage, too much than they had to give (and i think the latter)

we also had some worries on how cool the doses had to be kept, also bit confused regarding that, so maybe ours were kept not cold enough or too cold

[bots]

the EU have exclusively targeted AZ for anything they can think of, it's so obviously politically motivated

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Nicky91

No

this just confirms that it doesn't cause thrombosis, but that the blood clots are from something else, makes me think a bad batch or bad delivery, or what i earlier said and what some doctors here stupidly did administering the wrong dosage, too much than they had to give (and i think the latter)

we also had some worries on how cool the doses had to be kept, also bit confused regarding that, so maybe ours were kept not cold enough or too cold

The blood clot experts are literally saying that the idea that the vaccines are causing blood clots - for any reason, be that dosage, storage, batch or anything else - is not coming from them... so who is it coming from?

Thrombosis is just the medical term for blood clot.

[Nicky91]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

the EU have exclusively targeted AZ for anything they can think of, it's so obviously politically motivated

No

a coincidence, that quite a few countries in the EU reported (some fatal) cases of 'blood clots' i mean like Italy, Germany, Netherlands

and all of those were from AZ vaccine (but there is no evidence for thrombosis but more still very much uncertainties regarding this, EMA is at fault here, should've took more time in their review of this vaccine) they are due to say anything on wednesday now


France's slow vaccine rollout, like Cherie also says is more because they are already vaccine hesitant no matter if there of a problem with vaccine or not

[Cherie]

Clotting is also a rare symptom of covid, 30 strokes recorded in the first wave of covid in the UK so the incidence of getting it where it is actually attributable to covid and the very rare incidence which have not yet been linked to the vaccine I know which one I would rather have

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Clotting is also a rare symptom of covid, 30 strokes recorded in the first wave of covid in the UK so the incidence of getting it where it is actually attributable to covid and the very rare incidence which have not yet been linked to the vaccine I know which one I would rather have

Why aren’t they highlighting those blood clots from the first wave BEFORE any vaccines were even a available ?


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[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Zizu

Why aren’t they highlighting those blood clots from the first wave BEFORE any vaccines were even a available ?


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How do you mean, blood clotting is well known as a symptom of covid? my friend who ended up in hospital got a clot in her lung among other issues

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by Cherie

How do you mean, blood clotting is well known as a symptom of covid? my friend who ended up in hospital got a clot in her lung among other issues

I’ve only really been aware of the clots since the supposed AZ link stories broke ... but if they were happening before the vaccines then I’m not sure why everyone is so nervous.
I haven’t heard anyone say that we shouldn’t worry about AZ as there were blood clots before AZ was being administered





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[Zizu]

Mmmmmm




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[Nicky91]

there are no blood clots from astrazeneca jab though?

don't give in to EU's political agenda, britain

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Originally Posted by Zizu

Mmmmmm




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https://www.channel4.com/news/uk-med...strazeneca-jab

Here’s the link to the actual video, there’s nothing new in it at all and I think this text snippet is quite misleading based on the content of the video?

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

https://www.channel4.com/news/uk-med...strazeneca-jab

Here’s the link to the actual video, there’s nothing new in it at all and I think this text snippet is quite misleading based on the content of the video?

That’s Channel 4 News as well I think ?




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[Nicky91]

15 dutch people travelled to Serbia to get vaccinated

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Originally Posted by Zizu

That’s Channel 4 News as well I think ?




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It’s disappointing that they’d be so misleading in the text I think. It doesn’t really reflect what was actually said in the video and I think it’s just going to make even more people nervous about vaccination.

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EU people could achieve covid-19 vaccine immunity by Mid-July, says vaccine chief Thierry Breton

Breton, the EU commissioner in charge of the vaccine task force, had already suggested at the end of March that herd immunity would be possible in the EU by July 14th, as incoming jabs are expected to speed up the continent’s sluggish vaccine rollout.

On Monday, he confirmed his prediction to Le Parisien: “We now have good visibility of what is happening, from the production of vaccines to the distribution and tests,” he said.

“Fourteen million doses were delivered to the EU in January, 28 million in February and 60 million in March. For the next quarter, we will increase to 100 million in April, May and June. Then 120 million in the summer, and we will reach a rate of 200 million from September,” he said.

In the second half of the year as a whole, the EU will have received over 800 million doses, according to Breton.

The note of optimism came after several European countries have reimposed restrictions in an attempt to halt soaring Covid case numbers, and the World Health Organisation slammed Europe’s vaccine rollout as “unacceptably slow” on Thursday, saying that it was prolonging the pandemic.

“Vaccines present our best way out of the pandemic…However, the rollout of these vaccines is unacceptably slow,” WHO director for Europe Hans Kluge said in a statement.

So far, only about 10 percent of the region’s total population have received one vaccine dose, and four percent have completed a full vaccine series, the organisation said.

The WHO’s European region comprises 53 countries and territories and includes Russia and several Central Asian nations.

But when it comes to the EU’s slow vaccine rollout, Breton blamed the AstraZeneca laboratory.

“If we had received 100 percent of the AstraZeneca vaccines we were contractually owed, today the EU would be at the same level as the UK in terms of vaccination,” he said. “I can confirm that this hole is due entirely to AstraZeneca’s delivery failures.”

On Monday, Johnson & Johnson said it would start delivering its single-shot Covid vaccine to Europe on April 19th, giving the continent a boost in its vaccination drive.

The EU has signed a firm order for 200 million J&J doses and an option for 200 million more.

https://www.thelocal.de/20210405/eu-...vaccine-chief/

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Zizu

I’ve only really been aware of the clots since the supposed AZ link stories broke ... but if they were happening before the vaccines then I’m not sure why everyone is so nervous.
I haven’t heard anyone say that we shouldn’t worry about AZ as there were blood clots before AZ was being administered





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This is an article from November 2020

https://medicalxpress.com/news/2020-...ood-clots.html

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by Cherie

This is an article from November 2020



https://medicalxpress.com/news/2020-...ood-clots.html

I’m not doubting you .. I’m just surprised that Boris or Matt or ChrisW haven’t highlighted the point on telly


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[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Nicky91

there are no blood clots from astrazeneca jab though?

don't give in to EU's political agenda, britain

Its that age old distinction isnt it. There will be blood clots in some people who have had the vaccine, I would be surprised if there weren't, given the sheer numbers of people who have had the vaccine (yes, you could say theres been 100 people had a heart attack after getting the vaccine..ignoring that the people getting the vaccine at that stage were...the over 80s, who are at rather high risk of such things anyway...that does not in any way say the vaccine causes heart attacks though). The question is, were they CAUSED by the vaccine. The experts say no. So..who is saying yes? And pushing that yes into media outlets to spread the yes further, against the opinion of those vastly more qualified to make such assessments?!

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Originally Posted by Zizu

I’m not doubting you .. I’m just surprised that Boris or Matt or ChrisW haven’t highlighted the point on telly


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to do so just confuses people further. The uptake of the vaccine has been great so far, so if it ain't broke, don't fix it.

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

to do so just confuses people further. The uptake of the vaccine has been great so far, so if it ain't broke, don't fix it.

No .. but when the questions are asked in the daily briefing someone should mention that fact


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[Nicky91]

read my article i posted today, they are aware they have a slow vaccine rollout, and they would've loved to be up there with same amount of vaccinations as the UK, but facts are facts, there have just been some problems, and its just coincidence it is the AZ vaccine, there just weren't as many reports from the Pfizer vaccine, not as many or at least not the blood clots


regular side effects from vaccine are nausea, fever, sore arm (but these 'blood clots' are not normal so they caught our attention over here quicker)



Bots, i get it, you guys are biased since in UK, the AZ vaccine no problems at all or at least not that many (don't lie pls, there also have been some complaints in the UK)

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Nicky91

read my article i posted today, they are aware they have a slow vaccine rollout, and they would've loved to be up there with same amount of vaccinations as the UK, but facts are facts, there have just been some problems, and its just coincidence it is the AZ vaccine, there just weren't as many reports from the Pfizer vaccine, not as many or at least not the blood clots


regular side effects from vaccine are nausea, fever, sore arm (but these 'blood clots' are not normal so they caught our attention over here quicker)



Bots, i get it, you guys are biased since in UK, the AZ vaccine no problems at all or at least not that many (don't lie pls, there also have been some complaints in the UK)

I am confused, I thought the EU decided that the AZ is not causing blood clots?!(maybe after consulting the actual experts...hmm) Sure thats the last I read. If/when they do admit this, then surely the 'bias' you claim the UK has..kind of..dissipates?!

Also, there is not a vaccine available in the bloody world that has not had at least some complaints. Such a thing would be a impossible thing to do, given the nature of medical stuff