[Parmy]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Running in different circles than me then Parm because in my old job I knew multiple blokes in their 60s and 70s who hadn't worked a full day in their entire life.

Im not saying all, or even many, old people are lazy buggers... I'm just saying that it's ridiculous to claim that there are "none".

Even though I said I don't know any, I have known the ones that prop up the bar in the past..they looked 70 but looking back i dont think that they were much older than 40-50...this was scotland 1985-91

[Parmy]

How utterly ridiculous to suggest someone who has put 50 adult years into the system should have thier votes nullified in favour of someone barely able to spunk properly.

[joeysteele]

Speaking for myself only here.

All are entitled to vote.

However, my Grandparents always when voting thought of the impact of what they voted for on the lives of myself and their Grandchildren,Great Grandchildren and the next generation down too.

I'd like to hope when I am in my ,60s,70s +
If I reach that.

Then when voting, I will not think how things will or will not affect me but what I should be doing for the next and future generations.
As to the example of my own Grandparents.

[Parmy]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

Speaking for myself only here.

All are entitled to vote.

However, my Grandparents always when voting thought of the impact of what they voted for on the lives of myself and their Grandchildren,Great Grandchildren and the next generation down too.

I'd like to hope when I am in my ,60s,70s +
If I reach that.

Then when voting, I will not think how things will or will not affect me but what I should be doing for the next and future generations.
As to the example of my own Grandparents.

Surely that is what every old person who votes now and in the future vote for, whoever or whatever they vote for.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by parmnion

Surely that is what every old person who votes now and in the future vote for, whoever or whatever they vote for.

No it isn't very sadly.

I've witnessed where young people are dismayed at their Parents and Grandparents who took no heed of their concerns in the referendum.

So no,.I don't agree.

A general election, where it's only for 5 years max.
More fair enough.
Although my Grandparents and Parents looked at long term effects on the next generations.

The referendum, very much will impact on the younger generation for likely many decades.
To reverse it, will cost multi billions in the future.

My own Mum, asked me how I would be voting and my Brothers and their children how they felt.
As just about all were for remain.
She then also voted remain.

So, no I don't agree that the futures of the next generation are considered enough by older voters voting.
Even if the vote will alter dramatically, possibly negatively too, the future.

Climate change too.
The young I think are the growing support as to the issue.
Again with the much older generation dismissing it.
Unfortunately.

[Parmy]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

No it isn't very sadly.

I've witnessed where young people are dismayed at their Parents and Grandparents who took no heed of their concerns in the referendum.

So no,.I don't agree.

A general election, where it's only for 5 years max.
More fair enough.
Although my Grandparents and Parents looked at long term effects on the next generations.

The referendum, very much will impact on the younger generation for likely many decades.
To reverse it, will cost multi billions in the future.

My own Mum, asked me how I would be voting and my Brothers and their children how they felt.
As just about all were for remain.
She then also voted remain.

So, no I don't agree that the futures of the next generation are considered enough by older voters voting.
Even if the vote will alter dramatically, possibly negatively too, the future.

Climate change too.
The young I think are the growing support as to the issue.
Again with the much older generation dismissing it.
Unfortunately.

Who is to say the young people are correct though, yeah sure they believe they are, but an old person can think they are right as well and vote accordingly..


Edit....and don't take this the wrong way, but your mum...voting the way you wanted to vote astounds me..too much cotton wool upbringing in my opinion these days.


But of course that may have been going on in other houses with kids wanting to exit and the parents wanting to stay, the parents could have voted leave because thier kids wanted to...yes..will that have happened much?


Or would those parents have grounded thier kids on voting day.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by parmnion

Who is to say the young people are correct though, yeah sure they believe they are, but an old person can think they are right as well and vote accordingly..


Edit....and don't take this the wrong way, but your mum...voting the way you wanted to vote astounds me..too much cotton wool upbringing in my opinion these days.


But of course that may have been going on in other houses with kids wanting to exit and the parents wanting to stay, the parents could have voted leave because thier kids wanted to...yes..will that have happened much?


Or would those parents have grounded thier kids on voting day.

I brought my Mum into this, with her permission so its fair game for you to make a ridiculous, though not to you comment.

Far from being wrapped in cotton wool, my Parents were strict, a little less so with me as I came around 20 years after the next Brother to me.
She cared and cares about the futures of her family..
Actually, maybe possibly not to.you, I consider that fully commendable.

As to the young maybe being wrong.
Well past generations have got things wrong also.

Leaving the EU undoubtedly will impact on the young now, in the near future and for many decades into their future.
So if they're wrong, they'd have had to live and learn on that.
From their own choice made.
Not have that forced on them however by those they may never be able to hold to account for it.

You can disagree and head into unnecessary digs all you like.
I disagree with you and always will, on the referendum and the EU and the way it all impacts on the young and future generations for the rest of their lives.

[Twosugars]

Originally Posted by parmnion

Surely that is what every old person who votes now and in the future vote for, whoever or whatever they vote for.

The day after the referendum I was talking to an old couple. They literally said that their reason for voting brexit was "bc the young ones have it too easy" !
I didnt continue the convo after that.
My partner's parents had no idea what they voted for, just followed what the Daily Fail told them to do. Last year they voted for brexit party in euro elections bc theres too many blacks in the country!
A friend in her 50s voted brexit bc she is pro GM food
Stupid, stupid and stupid.

So paint them as you like, my experience tells me something else

[Parmy]

Originally Posted by Twosugars

The day after the referendum I was talking to an old couple. They literally said that their reason for voting brexit was "bc the young ones have it too easy" !
I didnt continue the convo after that.
My partner's parents had no idea what they voted for, just followed what the Daily Fail told them to do. Last year they voted for brexit party in euro elections bc theres too many blacks in the country!
A friend in her 50s voted brexit bc she is pro GM food
Stupid, stupid and stupid.

So paint them as you like, my experience tells me something else

I bet they walked of relieved...when you shut up

[Parmy]

I was talking to the young apprentice at work 2 mins ago, I asked him about brexit...


He said..."I want to remain cause Boris has a silly haircut bruv"

Double tea duties tomorrow for young Lewis.

[Parmy]

Leave would walk a new vote..the sleeping masses would come out in droves....but it won't happen so it's a mute point.

[Tom4784]

As for the bull**** about liberal viewpoints being something you grow out of, if that was true it would still be illegal to be gay and segregation would still be a thing but it's not. In the past 20 years alone, there's been more victories in the battle for gay rights then there's been in the decades preceding it. Not since the days of the Stonewall riots and the legalisation of gay sex has there been such an explosion of progress for the LGBT cause.

If what you were saying was true, Alf, none of that progress would have ever come to pass.

[Twosugars]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

As for the bull**** about liberal viewpoints being something you grow out of, if that was true it would still be illegal to be gay and segregation would still be a thing but it's not. In the past 20 years alone, there's been more victories in the battle for gay rights then there's been in the decades preceding it. Not since the days of the Stonewall riots and the legalisation of gay sex has there been such an explosion of progress for the LGBT cause.

If what you were saying was true, Alf, none of that progress would have ever come to pass.

Very true
Otherwise the civilisation would never progress

Back in prehistoric times, a bunch of all farts talking: this new fangled round thing, the wheel, will never catch on!

[arista]

[bots]

i think it is simplistic to say that the younger generation support close ties with the EU when that's all they have ever known and therefore have no reference to compare against. If an independent UK exists for 4 decades lets see what the demographics reflect then.

[arista]

Sexy American Hottie
back in the Day

[Vicky.]

The older vote does tend to go the tories. I expect the reason for this is quite simple..people do not vote on policies as such, they vote on who they would be better off under. Obviously poor people and younger ones are not likely to vote Tory, hwever, as they get older, get more savings, higher wages, own houses, etc...Torys look more appealing, as they tend to look after those well off and only target those very poor for cuts and such. So people turning more and more Tory as they age, makes a lot of sense to me really. I know loads will say they vote on whats best for the country, etc etc, but I do think really..most people vote on whats best for them..and I don't really see a problem with that.

Disclaimer - Not all older people are like that, etc etc. Obvioudly speaking broadly here. Given it seems I have to specify evertime I post that I do not mean every single member of a group thinks the same, and that. Even though that should go without saying..

[bots]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

The older vote does tend to go the tories. I expect the reason for this is quite simple..people do not vote on policies as such, they vote on who they would be better off under. Obviously poor people and younger ones are not likely to vote Tory, hwever, as they get older, get more savings, higher wages, own houses, etc...Torys look more appealing, as they tend to look after those well off and only target those very poor for cuts and such. So people turning more and more Tory as they age, makes a lot of sense to me really. I know loads will say they vote on whats best for the country, etc etc, but I do think really..most people vote on whats best for them..and I don't really see a problem with that.

Disclaimer - Not all older people are like that, etc etc. Obvioudly speaking broadly here. Given it seems I have to specify evertime I post that I do not mean every single member of a group thinks the same, and that. Even though that should go without saying..

i think the old political allegiances have gone out the window. What was true even 5 years ago no longer holds true. I will never vote tory or labour again as a matter of principle. It's anyones guess if I will find a party i am willing to get behind at the next GE

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

i think the old political allegiances have gone out the window. What was true even 5 years ago no longer holds true. I will never vote tory or labour again as a matter of principle. It's anyones guess if I will find a party i am willing to get behind at the next GE

Am in the same boat. Been politically homeless for a year or so now. Theres huge issues with every party..need a new one really, with sensible people.

[arista]

Scotland:
Johnson Lawyers say they will Extend
if he does not get out on a Deal by the 19th of Oct.


https://news.sky.com/story/pm-will-s...tober-11827149

[Twosugars]

Originally Posted by arista

Scotland:
Johnson Lawyers say they will Extend
if he does not get out on a Deal by the 19th of Oct.


https://news.sky.com/story/pm-will-s...tober-11827149

So I take he will die in a ditch?

That's what happens if you use stupid immature rhetoric

[arista]

[arista]

No that's not the whole Story
he is still saying the Benn act is not the whole story
and will leave on the 31st.

At the same time as the lawyers
stating he will follow the Benn act.

[Kazanne]

He hasn't got much choice has he ? but I'm guessing some of the remainers will be ready to pounce on him at every opportunity they can, I still think Boris would win a GE whenever that takes place,people will not forget how he was blocked at every turn .

[Tom4784]

Easily led Brexiters will remember whatever fairy tale they want to hear.

If you think Boris is a victim then you aren't paying attention.