[BBUK4LYFE]

Originally Posted by AfroMullet

I dont think white people should say "*****" and definatly not "******". White people shouldnt say it full stop, even as a joke, i dont see anything funny about it.

"If you let a whiteboy call you one then you's a dumb *****".

Only a house ***** would let a white person call them one and be fine with it/find it funny.

I agree.

[BBUK4LYFE]

Originally Posted by Tom

Then ironically thats racist in itself. If skin colour isn't a problem, why is it one rule for one and another rule for others?

History shows that white people used the word to be hateful. Thats why its unacceptable for them to use it. Why would a white person want to use it anyway?

I don't think anyone should use any form of the N word anyway.

[BBUK4LYFE]

Originally Posted by arista

Us White Folks do not use the N.
word.

You are wrong. A lot of white people use the word. I'd even go as far and say that majority of them use all versions of N the word. Especially the people in the South. That area in the US is infested with racist people.

[NettoSuperstar!]

Originally Posted by AfroMullet

Trophy was the wrong word to use, its like say your stabbing me, then i take the knife off you, i can stab who ever i want, but you cant stab me anymore....

Thats also a bad explanation, its hard to explain, but bottom line, we can say it, you cant.

I know what you mean, its like reclaiming the word, its not gonna be the offensive term it was once used for, its yours not theirs...

[NettoSuperstar!]

Originally Posted by Tom

So? You personally wasn't a slave. The bottom line is racism is discrimination against other groups of people. So why discriminate against another race by saying one race can use a word because they were associated more heavily with it? In theory, why is that any different to black people not being allowed to sit down on buses?

If the shoe was on the other foot it would definitely be racist.

Yeh but discrimination has a more powerful and detrimental affect when its minority groups that are being discriminated against and the word was used offensively by white people for a long time, why would any black person be comfortable with it now, its crazy to think they should be?

[setanta]

Originally Posted by NettoSuperstar!

Yeh but discrimination has a more powerful and detrimental affect when its minority groups that are being discriminated against and the word was used offensively by white people for a long time, why would any black person be comfortable with it now, its crazy to think they should be?

Well said. This is a ridiculous thread to begin with, where certain peoples lack of understanding is so evident. That word has a weight of history and connotation associated with it that means it shouldn't be used by anyone else. I feel the same way about the word Paddy - to a lesser extent- as it was used to discriminate against us in our history, and would probably lose the head if it were used on me by anyone other than a fellow Irish person.

[Dr.Gonzo]

Originally Posted by NettoSuperstar!

Yeh but discrimination has a more powerful and detrimental affect when its minority groups that are being discriminated against and the word was used offensively by white people for a long time, why would any black person be comfortable with it now, its crazy to think they should be?

It is an offensive word. And it is crazy to think that black people would be comfortable with it, let alone use it in each other's company.

[WOMBAI]

Originally Posted by zotler.

Maybe a little off topic, but there was something about this earlier on in the thread. But why do some men (in general) tend to say "I'm homophobic" and when asked "Why?" they answer "Well I find gay men disgusting.. But lesbians are hot" :|

Always thought that was pathetic - a complete cop-out!

[NettoSuperstar!]

Originally Posted by Dr.Gonzo

It is an offensive word. And it is crazy to think that black people would be comfortable with it, let alone use it in each other's company.

Like the guy said hes claiming that word, its not a weapon for racists anymore, its his.

[NettoSuperstar!]

Originally Posted by setanta

Well said. This is a ridiculous thread to begin with, where certain peoples lack of understanding is so evident. That word has a weight of history and connotation associated with it that means it shouldn't be used by anyone else. I feel the same way about the word Paddy - to a lesser extent- as it was used to discriminate against us in our history, and would probably lose the head if it were used on me by anyone other than a fellow Irish person.

Cheers man. The lack of understanding saddens me, why arent they teaching this **** in schools? I had the benefit of growing up in one of the most diverse cities in the UK, a family that taught me discrimination is wrong etc, not everyone has that. It should be a major part of the national curriculum from an early age.

[BBUK4LYFE]

Originally Posted by NettoSuperstar!

Yeh but discrimination has a more powerful and detrimental affect when its minority groups that are being discriminated against and the word was used offensively by white people for a long time, why would any black person be comfortable with it now, its crazy to think they should be?

Great post.

[BBUK4LYFE]

Originally Posted by setanta

Well said. This is a ridiculous thread to begin with, where certain peoples lack of understanding is so evident. That word has a weight of history and connotation associated with it that means it shouldn't be used by anyone else. I feel the same way about the word Paddy - to a lesser extent- as it was used to discriminate against us in our history, and would probably lose the head if it were used on me by anyone other than a fellow Irish person.

Excellent post.

[NettoSuperstar!]

Tanks

[Tom]

Originally Posted by BBUK4LYFE

History shows that white people used the word to be hateful. Thats why its unacceptable for them to use it. Why would a white person want to use it anyway?

I don't think anyone should use any form of the N word anyway.

So why is it unacceptable for white people to use it, but to some people it is acceptable for black people to use it? Surely if it was that hateful they'd want to rid of the word completely?

Originally Posted by NettoSuperstar!

Yeh but discrimination has a more powerful and detrimental affect when its minority groups that are being discriminated against and the word was used offensively by white people for a long time, why would any black person be comfortable with it now, its crazy to think they should be?

Whilst what you're saying is true, the point I'm trying to get across is a word is either offensive or it isn't. If certain groups can use a word, then why can't all groups? Black people forget about the historical context when they use it in a friendly way, so why is it double standards when they can't forget about historical context if a white person is to use it in a friendly way?

[NettoSuperstar!]

Originally Posted by Tom

So why is it unacceptable for white people to use it, but to some people it is acceptable for black people to use it? Surely if it was that hateful they'd want to rid of the word completely?



Whilst what you're saying is true, the point I'm trying to get across is a word is either offensive or it isn't. If certain groups can use a word, then why can't all groups? Black people forget about the historical context when they use it in a friendly way, so why is it double standards when they can't forget about historical context if a white person is to use it in a friendly way?

Well because the groups using the word arent using it offensively for one and that they can be sure of. But its a difficult one to grasp I'll grant you that. I guess its like taking a word that caused offence and humiliation and turning it on its head, its fighting back and not letting it beat you. Its like if a gay guy calls another gay guy a big "****" in a jokey ironic way, its flippin the negative use of it and taking the hurt and offence out of it. I spose in a way we should be celebrating the fact that young white people see that word as a street term and dont really understand the offence it can cause, but that doesnt disregard it still does offend and I guess it'll be a long time before the negative associations are fully eradicated like

[AfroMullet]

Ayeeeee, NettoSuperstar! my new favourite member.

[Tom]

Originally Posted by NettoSuperstar!

Well because the groups using the word arent using it offensively for one and that they can be sure of. But its a difficult one to grasp I'll grant you that. I guess its like taking a word that caused offence and humiliation and turning it on its head, its fighting back and not letting it beat you. Its like if a gay guy calls another gay guy a big "****" in a jokey ironic way, its flippin the negative use of it and taking the hurt and offence out of it. I spose in a way we should be celebrating the fact that young white people see that word as a street term and dont really understand the offence it can cause, but that doesnt disregard it still does offend and I guess it'll be a long time before the negative associations are fully eradicated like

But what if a white person isn't using it offensively?

[InOne]

St Netto only listens to herself. Dodges questions and the truth many times.

[Wildcat!]

Originally Posted by NettoSuperstar!

Well because the groups using the word arent using it offensively for one and that they can be sure of. But its a difficult one to grasp I'll grant you that. I guess its like taking a word that caused offence and humiliation and turning it on its head, its fighting back and not letting it beat you. Its like if a gay guy calls another gay guy a big "****" in a jokey ironic way, its flippin the negative use of it and taking the hurt and offence out of it. I spose in a way we should be celebrating the fact that young white people see that word as a street term and dont really understand the offence it can cause, but that doesnt disregard it still does offend and I guess it'll be a long time before the negative associations are fully eradicated like

YOu will wxplain it over and over again, until red in the face. THose who insist on wanting to use the word, will pretend they dont understand what youre talking about (they understand perfectly well).
A racist, is a racist. Its the one kind of people, that you cannot change. They are who they are. Especially the adult once.
There is really no thousand way of saying the same thing over and over again. Thats why Ive given up.

[*mazedsalv**]

The world is complex, all need to be said. There is problems going round all the time.

If only this whole racism issue stops being an issue thats one less thing to worry about in the world.

Cant everyone go around being black or white and just be proud of it?
I for one would laugh at the fact at being called something to do with my skin colour (food wise), everyone should be allowed to take the mick out of themselves, but words that shouldnt be used are the normaly N word and all that.

A black mate called my white mate "White Trash" surely thats the same thing as a white person calling a black person the N word?

[Tom]

Originally Posted by Wildcat!

YOu will wxplain it over and over again, until red in the face. THose who insist on wanting to use the word, will pretend they dont understand what youre talking about (they understand perfectly well).
A racist, is a racist. Its the one kind of people, that you cannot change. They are who they are. Especially the adult once.
There is really no thousand way of saying the same thing over and over again. Thats why Ive given up.

I don't want to use the word, I can't stand it to the point where I won't even type it let alone say it, but I think its double standards if its fine for a black person to say it in a non-offensive way but if a white person uses it in the exact same context, they're racist. Its double standards and as I've already said, ironically racist.

If black people genuinely find it that offensive, then why is it acceptable to use it in a different form?

[BBUK4LYFE]

Originally Posted by *mazedsalv**

The world is complex, all need to be said. There is problems going round all the time.

If only this whole racism issue stops being an issue thats one less thing to worry about in the world.

Cant everyone go around being black or white and just be proud of it?
I for one would laugh at the fact at being called something to do with my skin colour (food wise), everyone should be allowed to take the mick out of themselves, but words that shouldnt be used are the normaly N word and all that.

A black mate called my white mate "White Trash" surely thats the same thing as a white person calling a black person the N word?

[BBUK4LYFE]

Originally Posted by Wildcat!

YOu will wxplain it over and over again, until red in the face. THose who insist on wanting to use the word, will pretend they dont understand what youre talking about (they understand perfectly well).
A racist, is a racist. Its the one kind of people, that you cannot change. They are who they are. Especially the adult once.
There is really no thousand way of saying the same thing over and over again. Thats why Ive given up.

Basically this.

[NettoSuperstar!]

Originally Posted by InOne

St Netto only listens to herself. Dodges questions and the truth many times.

Nah thats your game mate, I speak the rational truth

[NettoSuperstar!]

Originally Posted by Wildcat!

YOu will wxplain it over and over again, until red in the face. THose who insist on wanting to use the word, will pretend they dont understand what youre talking about (they understand perfectly well).
A racist, is a racist. Its the one kind of people, that you cannot change. They are who they are. Especially the adult once.
There is really no thousand way of saying the same thing over and over again. Thats why Ive given up.

Yeh Im fast joining you mate! Still makes me sad everytime I read stuff tho