[Jack_]

Spoiler:

What an abhorrent publication this really is.

[Jack_]

Actually I've just realised this should probably be in Serious Debates & News Stories...it's habit...could a mod move it please?

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Jack_

Actually I've just realised this should probably be in Serious Debates & News Stories...it's habit...could a mod move it please?

It could be right to have in in chat and games Jack, it is mostly pure fiction as to its reporting anyway.

[joeysteele]

No Jack it couldn't but it is a truly rotten paper out of the gutter anyway.
The sooner it is thrown into the gutter for good and left there the better.

[King Gizzard]

but the sad truth

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

It could be right to have in in chat and games Jack, it is mostly pure fiction as to its reporting anyway.

Good point

Originally Posted by Nathan

but the sad truth

Well yeah I agree, but this is a frontpage so slightly different to an online article

[King Gizzard]

It's still going to circulate like crazy tomorrow, so they won't care one bit

it'd be nice if some of their more respected journalists if there is any boycotted or resigned from their jobs

[Nedusa]

For the daily Mail this is manna from heaven

[the truth]

The question has to be asked, what are the social services for if they dont even manage to get children away from people like the philpotts.

[Kizzy]

Disgusting, exploiting the deaths of those children to score political points in their sickening new right agenda.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Disgusting, exploiting the deaths of those children to score political points in their sickening new right agenda.

I think we should be more concerned with how disgusting the philpotts are.

I think this article was worded poorly, but lets not hide from the truth. the truth is this scumbag was supported by the benefits system which institutionalized his behaviour for many years. in fact in the end it was the fear of losing his benefits which was allegedly part of the motivation behind this tragedy.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by the truth

I think we should be more concerned with how disgusting the philpotts are.

I think this article was worded poorly, but lets not hide from the truth. the truth is this scumbag was supported by the benefits system which institutionalized his behaviour for many years. in fact in the end it was the fear of losing his benefits which was allegedly part of the motivation behind this tragedy.

Are you suggesting that he was in some kind of poverty trap? that his life chances were so poor and he was so poorly socialised and educated that he felt unable to function as a member of society?

Yes the phillpots lifestyle left a lot to be desired, however to spin this case as a means to demonise, stigmatise and stereotype a whole cross section of society is ridiculous and wrong.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Are you suggesting that he was in some kind of poverty trap? that his life chances were so poor and he was so poorly socialised and educated that he felt unable to function as a member of society?

Yes the phillpots lifestyle left a lot to be desired, however to spin this case as a means to demonise, stigmatise and stereotype a whole cross section of society is ridiculous and wrong.

no did I say that?

Im saying the benefits culture supported his disgusting lifestyle, it allowed him to breed endlessly , to have 11 kids in a 3 bedroom house, breeding dogs, chasing women, being controlling and abusive. in the end it appears he did what he did to ensure his benefits lifestyle continued. I think its right to question this.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by the truth

no did I say that?

Im saying the benefits culture supported his disgusting lifestyle, it allowed him to breed endlessly , to have 11 kids in a 3 bedroom house, breeding dogs, chasing women, being controlling and abusive. in the end it appears he did what he did to ensure his benefits lifestyle continued. I think its right to question this.

Benefits did not make him controlling or abusive and they don't make people breed endlessly then commit infantacide.
This was one case.

The mail whipping people into a frenzy they are affronted by those poor unfortunates they see as the scourge of society, benefit claimants...
The new 'folk devil' of 2013 and we stand in awe of the moral panic as it sweeps the old, the young, the disabled and the handicapped along in the conservative 'new broom' as they do their 'spring cleaning'.

[Vicky.]

Its the mail. Nothing surprises me anymore with that ****ing rag

This story is so tragic, but to blame it all on benefits is just absolutely pathetic. A new low for the gutter press.

[the truth]

The newspaper has every right to highlight how this disgusting man and womans horrific lifestyle was funded by and institutionalized by the benefits culture. the vast majority of hard working people could never have afforded 17 children and dog breeding. the benefits culture is inextricably tied in with this tragic story. the fact this offends some people who are on benefits is irrelevant. those people who are somehow offended by this connection being made are deluded. they need to forget their own egos and how sensitive they are to this debate. as its a debate that ha sbeen brushed under the carpet for decades. It must be discussed. these people do not deserve to have their disgusting lifestyles funded by the hard work of other honest good living people. if you want 17 kids and dogs you must earn enough money to support them in living a decent healthy life. if you cant do that then the children should be taken from these people asap

[arista]

Originally Posted by the truth

The newspaper has every right to highlight how this disgusting man and womans horrific lifestyle was funded by and institutionalized by the benefits culture. the vast majority of hard working people could never have afforded 17 children and dog breeding. the benefits culture is inextricably tied in with this tragic story. the fact this offends some people who are on benefits is irrelevant. those people who are somehow offended by this connection being made are deluded. they need to forget their own egos and how sensitive they are to this debate. as its a debate that ha sbeen brushed under the carpet for decades. It must be discussed. these people do not deserve to have their disgusting lifestyles funded by the hard work of other honest good living people. if you want 17 kids and dogs you must earn enough money to support them in living a decent healthy life. if you cant do that then the children should be taken from these people asap

Bang On Right

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by arista

Jack the same story is in here

Whats your Problem,

But that story doesnt try to make out it was because he was on benefits..as far as I can tell by the front page. That was the problem. The story in itself is absolutely horrific, the parents are monsters. But to make out that its because he is on benefits is absolutely disgusting, which was the point of this thread.

Originally Posted by the truth

The newspaper has every right to highlight how this disgusting man and womans horrific lifestyle was funded by and institutionalized by the benefits culture. the vast majority of hard working people could never have afforded 17 childrenand dog breeding. the benefits culture is inextricably tied in with this tragic story. the fact this offends some people who are on benefits is irrelevant. those people who are somehow offended by this connection being made are deluded. they need to forget their own egos and how sensitive they are to this debate. as its a debate that ha sbeen brushed under the carpet for decades. It must be discussed. these people do not deserve to have their disgusting lifestyles funded by the hard work of other honest good living people. if you want 17 kids and dogs you must earn enough money to support them in living a decent healthy life. if you cant do that then the children should be taken from these people asap

You realise this case was literally one in a million? (I mean the benefit situation, not anything else)

These figures are from the daily mail, so they might be exagerrated somewhat too...but here you go.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...it-broods.html

Families with 10 children...there are 30 of them in the entire country who are recieving JSA. It is unclear how many of those had the kids when they could afford them too.

Any more that 10 kids...and there is no-one 'unemployed' (besides the a few disabled people, who cant work) with that many. Income support is an in work benefit in the majority of cases. Unless the parent is a single parent.

Now. That doesnt make this story any less tragic. And the benefits argument takes away from what this story is really about. But I hate when people seem to think there are loads of massive families in the uk who just keep having kids for more money, despite not having a job.


The parents of these children are absolute *****. I dont think anyone would deny that. No child should have to go through what those kids did/are, and RIP to the ones who did not survive. But to link what they did with recieving benefits is terrible. But I would expect nothing less of the mail and its readers.

[Nedusa]

Originally Posted by the truth

The newspaper has every right to highlight how this disgusting man and womans horrific lifestyle was funded by and institutionalized by the benefits culture. the vast majority of hard working people could never have afforded 17 children and dog breeding. the benefits culture is inextricably tied in with this tragic story. the fact this offends some people who are on benefits is irrelevant. those people who are somehow offended by this connection being made are deluded. they need to forget their own egos and how sensitive they are to this debate. as its a debate that ha sbeen brushed under the carpet for decades. It must be discussed. these people do not deserve to have their disgusting lifestyles funded by the hard work of other honest good living people. if you want 17 kids and dogs you must earn enough money to support them in living a decent healthy life. if you cant do that then the children should be taken from these people asap

Good Post , I totally agree this madness has gone on now for decades, the Welfare state was set up after the War to help people re-adjust to life and act as a short term safety net for poor families with disabled or sick breadwinners (the effects of the War were felt for decades).

It was not ever meant to fund generation after generation of idle work shy spongers, it is not meant to provide a lifestyle choice for people who choose not to work. If you look at countries that do not have a welfare/benefits system if you don't work then you don't EAT so people who can work usually do.

This vile man an extreme example of everything that is wrong with our Welfare system, he gambled with his children's lives just to try and keep them with him so he could carry on spending their child benefit, it was also reported that he thought the fire damage would mean he would get a much larger house.

The fact that he talked his wife and another friend into going along with this dangerously stupid plan speaks volumes about his control over people.

I hope they all receive life sentences (max allowed for Manslaughter) and I hope the Judge recommends he is not released for at least 25 years.

At least now he doesn't have to worry about his board and lodgings...!!!!!

[arista]

Originally Posted by Jesus.H.Christ

You are insane.

No he is not
Do not say that



This Forum needs all views
not just Jack and his Labour party

Originally Posted by arista

No he is not
Do not say that



This Forum needs all views
not just Jack and his Labour party

I agree that this forum needs differing views as threads of people agreeing constantly would get pretty dull.

Doesn't mean he gets a free pass for saying some horrific things. Benefits wasn't the problem with this family. They had some serious mental health issues between them. Their family set up, the fact he was whoring out his wife to his friend etc. Those are far more telling issues than his benefit payments.

Take his benefit payments away, and do you think he's suddenly a great father, and they become England's version of the Waltons?

[arista]

Originally Posted by Jesus.H.Christ

I agree that this forum needs differing views as threads of people agreeing constantly would get pretty dull.

Doesn't mean he gets a free pass for saying some horrific things. Benefits wasn't the problem with this family. They had some serious mental health issues between them. Their family set up, the fact he was whoring out his wife to his friend etc. Those are far more telling issues than his benefit payments.

Take his benefit payments away, and do you think he's suddenly a great father, and they become England's version of the Waltons?

No only on these threads

I assume he would sell his kids if no benefits
Evil to the Core

And he went on JK ITV1

[Jack_]

Yeah um I'm not on benefits love so have no personal sensitivity to this but it's still a repugnant headline so yeah x

[Marc]

Everytime I see those childs I feel sad. BBC News showed a video clip of them all playing and it hurt to watch, knowing they were dead

[arista]

Jack the same story is in here

Whats your Problem,