[thesheriff443]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

What this got to do with the colour of his skin or his profession ?

coming from a country that had black people as slaves, he is a hypocrite. his opinions on gay people is no better than the white people who believed black people to be an inferior race.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

coming from a country that had black people as slaves, he is a hypocrite. his opinions on gay people is no better than the white people who believed black people to be an inferior race.

he didnt sya inferior and your comparism is a disgraceful embarassment...are th egangs of klu klux klan hunting down and murdering vast numbers fo gay people? is he advocating this? is he suggesting gay people dont get served in shops and restaurants across the country? no. do gay people not have civil rights in this nation?? yes of course they do and he isnt suggesting they shouldnt either.

your moral relativism is a dangerous joke. youll be comparing this to apartheid in south africa next lol ....Im embarassed for you

[Chuck]

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

in all honesty its extremely sad that a black American boxing champion can be so narrow minded, to the fact that gay people don't have a choice when it comes to sexuality in the same way a person does not get to choose the color of their skin.

It's not important if black/gay people were born that way, if they had chosen to be that they should still be respected and treated the same way.

[thesheriff443]

Originally Posted by Chuck

It's not important if black/gay people were born that way, if they had chosen to be that they should still be respected and treated the same way.

you wont get an argument from me about your post.

[Seanbon]

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

in all honesty its extremely sad that a black American boxing champion can be so narrow minded, to the fact that gay people don't have a choice when it comes to sexuality in the same way a person does not get to choose the color of their skin.

If he has been brought up in a Religion that takes the Bible literally,despite the fact that he has travelled the world,then these views will be ingrained in him,not his fault,imo! That he would become enlightened after a few days in the UK is very unlikely?!? Also he's been slapped around the head all his life,so I'm guessing he might have some sort of brain damage? Not an excuse for his remarks,but he's probably easily led by his Pastor!?!

[thesheriff443]

Originally Posted by Seanbon

If he has been brought up in a Religion that takes the Bible literally,despite the fact that he has travelled the world,then these views will be ingrained in him,not his fault,imo! That he would become enlightened after a few days in the UK is very unlikely?!? Also he's been slapped around the head all his life,so I'm guessing he might have some sort of brain damage? Not an excuse for his remarks,but he's probably easily led by his Pastor!?!

you make a good point.

[Josy]

Stick to discussing cbb/the topic of the thread instead of discussing and insulting other members, the thread was a good debate until that started.

[joeysteele]

Well I was not happy wth what he said or the way he portrayed his view. I found the response from him unacceptable on the issue.

I said earlier the BB house is not a private house where people have private conversations, he said on public TV he thought being gay was wrong and went on to compare it with being handicapped thereby indicating those who are gay could do something about it to maybe 'cure' it.

It is opinions like that reinforce the old discriminatory views and attitudes towards gay communities
That is where he was wrong and way out of order, he is entitled to his view, even if it is totally wrong, but keep that view to himself and not spout out his rubbish on a National TV programme.

When asked the question by Luisa, (knowing his own views on the subject), he is a man of some age he should have said that is not a discussion I want to have and would prefer not to answer, that was the simple way out.
He was not however, having a private conversation with Luisa because there is no such thing as private conversations in the BB house whatsoever.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

Well I was not happy wth what he said or the way he portrayed his view. I found the response from him unacceptable on the issue.

I said earlier the BB house is not a private house where people have private conversations, he said on public TV he thought being gay was wrong and went on to compoare it with being handicapped thereby indicating those who are gay could do something about it to maybe 'cure' it.

It is opinions like that reinforce the old discriminatory views and attitudes towards gay communities
That is where he was wrong and way out of order, he is entitled to his view, even if it is totally wrong, but keep that view to himself and not spout out his rubbish on a National TV programme.

When asked the question by Luisa, (knowing his own views on the subject), he is a man of some age he should have said that is not a discussion I want to have and would prefer not to answer, that was the simple way out.
He was not however, having a private conversation with Luisa because there is no such thing as private conversations in the BB house whatsoever.

so ban all conversation? outlaw all varying opinions on everything? absurd ...typical radical liberalist waffle
the only way things move forward is through open communication and education
in this specific case CBB was sly and should either have shown it and not warned him or not shown it at all

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by the truth

so ban all conversation? outlaw all varying opinions on everything? absurd ...typical radical liberalist waffle
the only way things move forward is through open communication and education
in this specific case CBB was sly and should either have shown it and not warned him or not shown it at all

In no way am I saying that and you know fine well I am not, this thread is asking for opinions on what he said and what we saw for ourselves as to what he said and the way he said it.
I have given mine and stated he irritated me for the resons I have set out in at least 3 posts now.

It was said on here that he was in a private conversation with Luisa, I stress again, there are no such things as private conversations in the BB house.
I still think he was wrong and out of order and duly warranted the talk/warning that then ensued.

[Shaun]

the ignore list <3

[qwerty42]

He should be allowed to give his opinion, no hate there at all.

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by qwerty42

He should be allowed to give his opinion, no hate there at all.

EXACTLY

[M X]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

EXACTLY

no shouting

[erinp5]

Celebrity Big Brother 2014 bosses have warned Evander Holyfield after the boxer told Luisa Zissman he suggested homosexuality can be cured, and compared it to being ‘handicapped’.

The pair had spent almost all their time in the house together thanks to the series launch twist, which saw the housemates being paired off and handcuffed together until further notice.

However, former Apprentice contestant Luisa became uncomfortable with Evander last night when she asked him whether there are any gay people in boxing, leading the heavyweight champion to reveal his opinions on same-sex relationships.

After Evander said he thinks they “ain’t normal”, Luisa attempted to end the conversation – which had not come to light until it was aired on Channel 5 this evening – but he proceeded to imply that homosexuality could be ‘fixed’.

The transcript of their chat, as aired in the latest highlights show, is as follows:


Luisa: Is there any gay boxers?

Evander: Yeah, I’m sure there is.

Luisa: Is it public knowledge?

Evander: Ain’t no-one came out and said they were.

Luisa: I think it’s really bad that no-one stands up and says it in the sporting industries. I think it’s good to be open about that because it’s normal.

Evander: What would be good about it? That ain’t normal.

Luisa: We shouldn’t have this conversation. No, let’s not have this conversation, it won’t be good.

Evander: The bible let’s you know, that’s wrong, that’s right.

Luisa: That’s just the way some people are.

Evander: No, it don’t make no difference. If you were born and your leg were turned this way, what do you do, you go to the doctor and get it fixed back right.

Luisa: It’s not about being fixed, it’s about… that’s just the way that you are.

Evander: No no no no no, you mean to tell me…

Luisa: I really don’t want to have this conversation.

Evander: I’m not mad, I’m just saying…

Luisa: You don’t understand, I don’t think it’s an appropriate conversation to have in this house, honestly.

Evander: All I’m trying to tell you, you know how handicapped people are born, you can’t say because they were born that way…

Luisa: You can’t compare, of course you can’t compare someone that’s gay to someone that’s handicapped, it’s not a choice.

Evander: Yes it is a choice, come on, that ain’t the way nobody is made.

Luisa: I’m tired. I don’t think people have a choice in their sexuality, or they would be unhappy.

Today, Big Brother called Evander to the Diary Room to caution him about offensive language, but stopped short of giving him an formal reprimand.

“Before you entered the Big Brother house, the rules regarding unacceptable language and behaviour were explained to you. Last night, in a conversation with Luisa, you expressed the view that being gay was not normal and that it could be fixed,” explained Big Brother.

“While Big Brother understands these are the views you hold, they aren’t the views that are held by a large section of society and expressing these views will be extremely offensive to many people. Do you understand why?”

“Yeah I understand why, I forgot about the thing,” Evander answered. “I was just telling her my opinion, but it’s not like I was gonna mention it to anybody else, that was just our conversation.”

“Big Brother does not tolerate the use of offensive language and must therefore warn you to consider very carefully the effect expressing such views may have and the harm and offence you may cause by repeating these views inside the house,” the all-seeing eye continued. “Do you understand, Evander?”

“Okay then,” said Evander. “Yes I do.”


Read more: http://www.bbspy.co.uk/cbb13/news/01...#ixzz2pZPB4icY

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by erinp5

Celebrity Big Brother 2014 bosses have warned Evander Holyfield after the boxer told Luisa Zissman he suggested homosexuality can be cured, and compared it to being ‘handicapped’.

The pair had spent almost all their time in the house together thanks to the series launch twist, which saw the housemates being paired off and handcuffed together until further notice.

However, former Apprentice contestant Luisa became uncomfortable with Evander last night when she asked him whether there are any gay people in boxing, leading the heavyweight champion to reveal his opinions on same-sex relationships.

After Evander said he thinks they “ain’t normal”, Luisa attempted to end the conversation – which had not come to light until it was aired on Channel 5 this evening – but he proceeded to imply that homosexuality could be ‘fixed’.

The transcript of their chat, as aired in the latest highlights show, is as follows:


Luisa: Is there any gay boxers?

Evander: Yeah, I’m sure there is.

Luisa: Is it public knowledge?

Evander: Ain’t no-one came out and said they were.

Luisa: I think it’s really bad that no-one stands up and says it in the sporting industries. I think it’s good to be open about that because it’s normal.

Evander: What would be good about it? That ain’t normal.

Luisa: We shouldn’t have this conversation. No, let’s not have this conversation, it won’t be good.

Evander: The bible let’s you know, that’s wrong, that’s right.

Luisa: That’s just the way some people are.

Evander: No, it don’t make no difference. If you were born and your leg were turned this way, what do you do, you go to the doctor and get it fixed back right.

Luisa: It’s not about being fixed, it’s about… that’s just the way that you are.

Evander: No no no no no, you mean to tell me…

Luisa: I really don’t want to have this conversation.

Evander: I’m not mad, I’m just saying…

Luisa: You don’t understand, I don’t think it’s an appropriate conversation to have in this house, honestly.

Evander: All I’m trying to tell you, you know how handicapped people are born, you can’t say because they were born that way…

Luisa: You can’t compare, of course you can’t compare someone that’s gay to someone that’s handicapped, it’s not a choice.

Evander: Yes it is a choice, come on, that ain’t the way nobody is made.

Luisa: I’m tired. I don’t think people have a choice in their sexuality, or they would be unhappy.

Today, Big Brother called Evander to the Diary Room to caution him about offensive language, but stopped short of giving him an formal reprimand.

“Before you entered the Big Brother house, the rules regarding unacceptable language and behaviour were explained to you. Last night, in a conversation with Luisa, you expressed the view that being gay was not normal and that it could be fixed,” explained Big Brother.

“While Big Brother understands these are the views you hold, they aren’t the views that are held by a large section of society and expressing these views will be extremely offensive to many people. Do you understand why?”

“Yeah I understand why, I forgot about the thing,” Evander answered. “I was just telling her my opinion, but it’s not like I was gonna mention it to anybody else, that was just our conversation.”

“Big Brother does not tolerate the use of offensive language and must therefore warn you to consider very carefully the effect expressing such views may have and the harm and offence you may cause by repeating these views inside the house,” the all-seeing eye continued. “Do you understand, Evander?”

“Okay then,” said Evander. “Yes I do.”


Read more: http://www.bbspy.co.uk/cbb13/news/01...#ixzz2pZPB4icY

Thanks for that erin,makes it easier to follow

[Jack_]

pmsl the last thing I'm considered on here is a 'forum sweetheart'

[Black Dagger]

Originally Posted by Jack_

pmsl the last thing I'm considered on here is a 'forum sweetheart'

You're an 'orrible *******.

But yeah I'm no sweetheart and I wasn't trying to insult your intelligence, I don't have a problem with you anymore Chuff, but you can say what you feel, I know you're opinionated, as am I!

Anyway back on topic, is there a topic anymore idek. Yeah Evander can say what he feels, but I don't agree with him!

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by Black Dagger

You're an 'orrible *******.

But yeah I'm no sweetheart and I wasn't trying to insult your intelligence, I don't have a problem with you anymore Chuff, but you can say what you feel, I know you're opinionated, as am I!

Anyway back on topic, is there a topic anymore idek. Yeah Evander can say what he feels, but I don't agree with him!

That is YOUR choice ,same as its MY choice to think no one has a right to tell people what they can or cannot say ,and even worse than that what they THINK,people who say "You have to think like me" are arrogant getts

[Black Dagger]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

That is YOUR choice ,same as its MY choice to think no one has a right to tell people what they can or cannot say ,and even worse than that what they THINK,people who say "You have to think like me" are arrogant getts

Absolutely.. personally I'd like if everybody thought like me, Arcade Fire would be the biggest band in the world. But unfortunately I know people are allowed their own opinions and I respect that!

[Amy Jade]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

That is YOUR choice ,same as its MY choice to think no one has a right to tell people what they can or cannot say ,and even worse than that what they THINK,people who say "You have to think like me" are arrogant getts

I agree everyone is entitled to their opinion but there is a line you should not cross.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by StupidHoe

I agree everyone is entitled to their opinion but there is a line you should not cross.

I agree with that too and I do feel he did cross a line/s with his sort of twisted justification of his view on the issue.

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by StupidHoe

I agree everyone is entitled to their opinion but there is a line you should not cross.

Who draws that line ?

[Jordan.]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

That is YOUR choice ,same as its MY choice to think no one has a right to tell people what they can or cannot say ,and even worse than that what they THINK,people who say "You have to think like me" are arrogant getts

You make it sound like it was just an opinion on what weather he likes

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by Jordan.

You make it sound like it was just an opinion on what weather he likes

Love it or loath it,its his opinion