[Glenn.]

Anyway I'm going to watch some very hardcore gay porn and forget this thread exists. Goodnight

[JoshBB]

Originally Posted by Quasar

Anyway I'm going to watch some very hardcore gay porn and forget this thread exists. Goodnight

Have fun

[Rob!]

For what it's worth though:

I was sexually attracted to both boys and girls when I was at school. I even remember feeling whatever a six year old's equivalent of being aroused is about boys in primary.
I've slept with two women but then after my first experience with a guy when I was sixteen it was like girls became an instant thing of the past and I haven't been even remotely attracted to once since.
I'd love to be bisexual - in that I'd love the opportunity to be able to fall in love with both sexes but it just doesn't seem to be like that in my brain. Hell I hate being gay tbh - it's awful a lot of the time and there are a lot of twats in the gay community.
If a woman comes into my life that I happen to fall in love with then it won't be something that I fight, I'll go in () and see what happens though.

[Daniel.]

People thinking anything other than your born gay

[Gstar]

Agree with OP

[Jack_]

Slightly related - I thought this was quite an interesting excerpt from an article on the Guardian I just found:

These issues highlight a fundamental problem that goes well beyond the peculiarities of these particular studies. Scientists are asking whether homosexuality is natural when we can’t even agree exactly what homosexuality is. Homosexuality, as with all sexualities, is a social construction.

What does that mean? In his book The History of Sexuality Michel Foucault charted a major shift in our construction of sexual desires over the past few centuries. There are two important changes. First, we have developed the idea that our sexual desires reveal a fundamental truth about who we are, and second we have created a conviction that we have an obligation to seek out that truth and express it. As Jesi Egan argues, “within this framework, sex isn’t just something you do. Instead, the kind of sex you have (or want to have) becomes a symptom of something else: your sexuality.”

Instead of just being a thing we do, therefore, sex has become an essential part of our identity. Hence the creation of the terms “homosexuality” and “heterosexuality” — terms which were never related to physical truths, but instead to social truths. This picture of sexuality is where we stand today: our sexual desires help construct our social identity, one which we believe tells a fundamental truth about who we are.

To understand this a bit more it is worth looking at past expressions of sexual desire.

Ancient Greece is usually noted as one of the most open societies when it came to male homosexual acts, which were seen by some as “the most praise-worthy, substantive and Godly forms of love.” Greece’s ancient culture is known to include a form of relationship called pederasty, a socially acknowledged and acceptable form of erotic love between an adult male and a younger man.

Or what about the Sambia in Papua New Guinea? Believing it possesses “masculine spirit”, boys in the Sambia are required to ingest semen as part of a ritual to allow them to mature to men. All boys go through a period in their life where they are required to perform regular oral sex on older members of society. When they become men themselves they then repay the favour by offering their semen to boys wishing to become men.

These sorts of examples are not just related to homosexual acts either. Look at the different perceptions of female beauty throughout the ages. In the Renaissance period for example more voluptuous women who had large breasts and hips were portrayed as beautiful, whereas in Victorian England women’s beauty was based around an hourglass figure created by corsets designed to cinch a waste as tightly as possible. These are both very different to mainstream perceptions of female beauty today, which are (controversially) based heavily on an ideal of model-type thinness.

This is the major problem that advocates of a gay gene face. Our sexual desires and ideals change based on our society at any given time. Do proponents of the gay gene believe that those in Ancient Greece or in the Sambia had/have a greater prevalence of a gay gene than we do today? Do our perceptions of female beauty change over the times because of shifts in the genes of straight men?

The Guardian

[Northern Monkey]

I think maybe there might not be just one answer?
Maybe there are various factors?
Genetics or social interactions through early life or hormonal imbalances or a combination?

[Daniel.]

I was born to be emo

[Daniel.]

I just don't get what in my personal life would make me gay?

[Jordan.]

Originally Posted by Daniel_

I just don't get what in my personal life would make me gay?

[MB.]

Stop arguing and enjoy cock you lot

[MB.]

Originally Posted by MB.

Stop arguing and enjoy cock you lot

.

[Dollface]

[LukeB]

Originally Posted by Dollface

[Marsh.]

Awww, see, animals can be camp as christmas too.

[Glenn.]

I'm going to bed. You can have your nuture crap all you want. It's just a bunch of researchers who have nothing better to do who vaguely put together a bunch of crap.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Quasar

I'm going to bed. You can have your nuture crap all you want. It's just a bunch of researchers who have nothing better to do who vaguely put together a bunch of crap.

I love respectful debates.

I wonder what factors make you such a ferociously defensive person....

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Quasar

I think your wrong, you think I'm wrong. Debates are completely pointless.

Not really. I don't think you're wrong, I just have a different viewpoint.

I just think the way you approach a discussion is a little.... hostile when it doesn't need to be.

[Glenn.]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Not really. I don't think you're wrong, I just have a different viewpoint.

I just think the way you approach a discussion is a little.... hostile when it doesn't need to be.

There's not a lot I can do about that. It's how I've been 'nurtured'

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Quasar

There's not a lot I can do about that. It's how I've been 'nurtured'

Correct. We've made progress.

Although just because you've grown into an angry person doesn't mean there aren't ways you can learn to control it.

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Not really. I don't think you're wrong, I just have a different viewpoint.

I just think the way you approach a discussion is a little.... hostile when it doesn't need to be.

I think the hostility stems from the misconception I mentioned in my first post in this thread. The idea that in believing that sexuality, much like every other aspect of every human being, comes about through a process of socialisation, means that somehow that's a choice and can be changed. You know, much like how you chose your accent, and your personality, and your mannerisms, and what food you like, and what music you're into!

Rather bizarre that it has to keep being repeated so many times, but I guess it has proven my initial point right

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Jack_

I think the hostility stems from the misconception I mentioned in my first post in this thread. The idea that in believing that sexuality, much like every other aspect of every human being, comes about through a process of socialisation, means that somehow that's a choice and can be changed. You know, much like how you chose your accent, and your personality, and your mannerisms, and what food you like, and what music you're into!

Rather bizarre that it has to keep being repeated so many times, but I guess it has proven my initial point right

Yes, I think it's been explained about as much as it can be.

[Dollface]

Originally Posted by Quasar

I'm going to bed. You can have your nuture crap all you want. It's just a bunch of researchers who have nothing better to do who vaguely put together a bunch of crap.

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by Quasar

I'm going to bed. You can have your nuture crap all you want. It's just a bunch of researchers who have nothing better to do who vaguely put together a bunch of crap.

Yes, researchers who have nothing better to do but try to theorise the world we live in in and its people in work you can't be bothered to read in order to make sense of it and try to be a progressive force for change

You can have all your stubborn 'I can't be bothered to comprehend this because it's stretches beyond what I've been taught so it must be crap!' attitude all you want. It's just a bunch of people on an internet forum who fail to understand basic societal concepts who whine on about not understanding it and so refute and ridicule it rather ironically

Is this how serious debates is supposed to work?

[Glenn.]

Originally Posted by Jack_

Yes, researchers who have nothing better to do but try to theorise the world we live in in and its people in work you can't be bothered to read in order to make sense of it and try to be a progressive force for change

You can have all your stubborn 'I can't be bothered to comprehend this because it's stretches beyond what I've been taught so it must be crap!' attitude all you want. It's just a bunch of people on an internet forum who fail to understand basic societal concepts who whine on about not understanding it and so refute and ridicule it rather ironically

Is this how serious debates is supposed to work?

Well that's my opinion so I suppose we'll have to agree to disagree. A good effort with the patronising though. Great debating