[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by LiamBB

It might be a little off topic (I'm losing track with this thread lol) but I just want to say (because there's been a lot of talk about her still have a penis) that we may not know the full reasons behind why she hasn't undergone the 'full' physical transformation yet. It might not necessarily be choice. I think I've mentioned before that I've got a friend who is a female to male transsexual and for a long time he lived as a man without having the final operation done. There was a lot of red tape for him to get through and for ages he was refused surgery by the psychologists assessing him for quite complex reasons (even though all the other surgeries had been agreed on and completed!), so for a while he was in a physical state of half and half I suppose you could say, but that wasn't his fault. And of course medical information like that is generally confidential and so it may not have been reported on in this case. I'm just saying that it might not be her fault or choice that not all the surgeries are completed.

That's very true.

[Crimson Dynamo]

She is a nasty criminal so personally i dont give 2 fecks about her

[Denver]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

She is a nasty criminal so personally i dont give 2 fecks about her

Like wise people only care about her but they don't care about the danger of the women who she is likely to beat

[Crimson Dynamo]

Last Friday, the make-up artist was jailed after she admitted headbutting a barman in Bath, causing damage to his teeth.


She has eight previous convictions including offences for battery and had hoped her punishment would be less severe.

But magistrates said the assault, which came three weeks after Hudson had been given a conditional discharge, was so serious that only custody could be justified.


Source> BBC website

[Denver]

What a disgusting thug

[Tom4784]

It's not about the crime, no one is disputing that she deserves the sentence but it's the choice of prison that was originally the issue here.

Masking your casual desire to see this woman put in harm's way by calling her a thug and highlighting her crimes doesn't make you noble or justified.

[JoshBB]

Originally Posted by Adam.

Like wise people only care about her but they don't care about the danger of the women who she is likely to beat

You do realise there are such thing as prison guards right??

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

It's not about the crime, no one is disputing that she deserves the sentence but it's the choice of prison that was originally the issue here.

Masking your casual desire to see this woman put in harm's way by calling her a thug and highlighting her crimes doesn't make you noble or justified.

she is a thug that is beyond debate. You have no idea is she would be in any harm in a male prison. Your experience of male prisons is zero.

[Denver]

Stop putting words I'm our mouths as nobody has said they want her to be hurt I'm sorry some of us don't feel the need to pity her because she is trans

[JoshBB]

Originally Posted by Liam-

Oops, I didn't noticed I said 'he' in my first post, although I would have thought it was obvious it was a mistake by me referring to her with female pronouns through the rest of my posts

There is a guy at my school who is transgender, and I have accidentally slipped up a few times and used the word 'she' as that's what I was used to calling them before they came out. But I always make sure to correct it and I think that's all that matters really. No harm in mistakes.

[Denver]

Originally Posted by JoshBB

You do realise there are such thing as prison guards right??

You do realise prison guards cants keep a eye out 24\7

[JoshBB]

Originally Posted by Adam.

Stop putting words I'm our mouths as nobody has said they want her to be hurt I'm sorry some of us don't feel the need to pity her because she is trans

Well you don't seem to be particularly concerned for her wellbeing. And the "she will get what she deserves" mentality surrounding this thread shows that some people honestly couldn't care less if she got attacked in there.

[JoshBB]

Originally Posted by Adam.

You do realise prison guards cants keep a eye out 24\7

Yes but let's not make the assumption that she can go around beating up all the other women without consequence. It is likely that she would be isolated if she was found to be acting violently to other inmates.

[kirklancaster]

It would be nice if some members expressed just a tenth of the concern they have for her wellbeing, for the wellbeing of all her assaulted victims - be they straight, gay or trans or anything else.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by JoshBB

It is clear from the fact that she is transitioning that she wants to be associated with the female gender.

So on the one hand we shouldn't be bigoted enough to align sex with gender but on the other hand we should clearly see which gender this person wishes to be from the sex they dress up as?

Ok.

[Crimson Dynamo]

she is a danger to a woman prison

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

she is a thug that is beyond debate. You have no idea is she would be in any harm in a male prison. Your experience of male prisons is zero.

As is yours if you're naive enough to think she'd be perfectly fine in a male prison.

Originally Posted by Adam.

Stop putting words I'm our mouths as nobody has said they want her to be hurt I'm sorry some of us don't feel the need to pity her because she is trans

It's not about pity. it's about justice and your ignorance. If a normal woman was sentenced to serve time in a male prison you'd be up in arms about it, you wouldn't highlight her crime as justification for any misfortune that would befall her in the prison.

As I've said a thousand times in this thread, and it's been ignored a thousand times because people like you can't argue against it. The magistrates failed in their duty of care towards the prisoner. Like it or not, we need to treat criminals like human beings and not animals, it's what makes us better than them. If the justice system was as petty as some of the people in this thread then it would be a case of the blind leading the blind.

By initially putting this prisoner in a male prison when the only thing male about her is her genitals is a failure of the system. It's not justice to willingly put a prisoner in harm's way, it's petty as is trying to downplay the injustice by highlighting her crimes. It's not about her goddamn crime, it's about the fact that the court failed to perform their duties correctly.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

I disagree. An airport refusing you service due to your documents is not the same as a court knowingly putting you into a potentially dangerous situation due to pedantics. An airport does not have a duty of care towards customers with the wrong documents but the courts and prisons have that duty and they can not willingly endanger a prisoner. The magistrates should have considered her circumstances before they put her into a dangerous mismatched prison that doesn't have the resources to to fulfill the Duty of Care towards her.

I'm not au fait with how sentencing works but I would hazard a guess that the person who processed her after sentencing never clapped eyes on her and was going by the details logged in when she was arrested, her bank account must be in her male name as well, I can't understand her mentality that she would not want to change such important personal details about herself after all these years as living as a woman

[Crimson Dynamo]

there are plenty men who act and look like women in male prisons and get treated well. In fact they get special treatment.

[Marsh.]

The only thing male about her is her genitals?

So, what about the effeminate men who couldn't fight their way out of a paper bag? Are they not spared spending time in a prison with a bunch of burly blokes?

This is different because she just so happens to have had silicone implants?

[JoshBB]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

So on the one hand we shouldn't be bigoted enough to align sex with gender but on the other hand we should clearly see which gender this person wishes to be from the sex they dress up as?

Ok.

I never said it was bigoted to align sex with gender - just misinformed.

And in regards to the bold, it is clear that they wish to live as a woman. From not just the way she is clearly changing their look to appear female, she would clearly not be happy to be labelled male and therefore should not be put in a male prison.

[Kizzy]

I guess that in grey areas like this it comes down to legal status... If you're legally a man then I guess you are processed as a male?

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by JoshBB

I never said it was bigoted to align sex with gender - just misinformed.

And in regards to the bold, it is clear that they wish to live as a woman. From not just the way she is clearly changing their look to appear female, she would clearly not be happy to be labelled male and therefore should not be put in a male prison.

But again, gender has nothing to do with physical features, right?

Therefore you're contradicting yourself.

You can't say a penis doesn't make her male, but a pair of fake boobs make her female.

Edited to add, there are a great many males out there who like to dress in women's clothes, be effeminate but still wish to remain known as male. So, again, their physical appearance is no indication of anything.

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Last Friday, the make-up artist was jailed after she admitted headbutting a barman in Bath, causing damage to his teeth.


She has eight previous convictions including offences for battery and had hoped her punishment would be less severe.

But magistrates said the assault, which came three weeks after Hudson had been given a conditional discharge, was so serious that only custody could be justified.


Source> BBC website

Male strength with female hormones.A lethal combination!

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by JoshBB

Yes but let's not make the assumption that she can go around beating up all the other women without consequence. It is likely that she would be isolated if she was found to be acting violently to other inmates.

None of the guards would know though.You don't go lagging on people in prison.