[Ninastar]

Obviously going with what's going on tonight... Do you think it's right to boo and hate and argue with those who we don't agree with?

It really winds me up how awful everyone has been towards Winston. Yes he's pretty disgusting with his views, but do people really think that treating him they way they did would fix anything? Like surely, it's better to show people they are wrong, rather than try and make them feel **** for their opinions?

I honestly think that when you treat people like they are disgusting for having a different opinion to you, it doesn't solve anything... You can change peoples opinions by encouraging them and hoping for the best. If you try and force them, nothing will change.

Just my opinion... I'm sure I'm in the minority though.

[Lostie!]

I respect other opinions. I don't respect being insulting and offensive, people need to differentiate between the two.

If you can't form an opinion without offending people then you have no right to demand respect.

[letmein]

Originally Posted by Lostie!

I respect other opinions. I don't respect being insulting and offensive, people need to differentiate between the two.

If you can't form an opinion without offending people then you have no right to demand respect.

The word is ACKNOWLEDGE, NOT RESPECT.

[Ammi]

...hmmmm, it's interesting that so many of us always say how we would like the 'old style' BB back and the social experiment, type thing...surely, having Winston in the house with his extreme views on homosexuality, together with homeosexuals in there as well, is an inetersting social experiment..I mean, is that not a big part of it all...to see if there could be any understanding gained or any mind-set changes etc...yeah, we can hate on people who have the same views as Winston/we can boo them and scream get out... but if we do that, then all it'll cause is for nothing really to ever change because that hate will inevitably cause a defensiveness that will not leave an open door for listening...it's 2016, views like Winston's should not still be something that exist but they do exist and maybe that's partly because they're attacked, rather than discussed..a mind-set is a mind-set, something that isn't easy to change and I would doubt, would ever be changed through a BB experience but at least it's a beginning and an opening for questioning that mind-set...why do you believe a homosexual guy would be a sexual predator in any way, why would you have to have your 'back to the wall', while sharing the same house space/environment...why would it in any way be damaging for a child to have homosexual parents..?...all of these opportunities lost by hating on someone, by attacking what they believe...as abhorrent as it may be, it's their genuine belief and one that will continue sadly and be 'inherited' if all there is, is attack on it...the 'divide' will remain, the divide will widen because it's not just his beliefs, it's also the beliefs of others as well....we're kind of quite selective with our free speech because we don't like it when it offends and Winston's opinions are certainly very offensive and prejudice...but what really the importance of our own personal offence, compared to a possible changing of like-minded opinions to Winston's opinions...is that not the 'bigger picture', to not shut down the Winstons of the world, to not name call and attack...that's only going to re-inforce their mind-sets...if we want change, we have to allow change to happen and we have to hear and listen to some pretty unpleasant stuff...there will be no 'fix' unless that happens...I could not be more opposed to everything Winston seems to believe, which is why any possible house conversations with him would have interested me the most...there was a chance here for a real social experiment, something that I've always loved about BB from 'back in the day' but it's sadly been lost to a 'hero/villian' thing which has been manufactured by BB...let's hate on the villian, that's so fun and entertaining, well yes it is but it's kind of missing a great opportunity of something much more than entertaining by just fuelling more hate and more intolerance...

..anyways, it is what it is, an entertainment show but personally, I'd like to see less and less Winstons coming along in the future because they have listened and been listened to and mind-sets have been changed or at least questioned by themselves..that would be an ideal world, I guess..the sort of Hollywood ending which just doesn't happen, does it..but a step closer to it happening possibly..?...I don't know if anyone has watched the movie, Pride...and incredibly beautiful movie, that did have that 'Hollywood Ending'...except that it was real life as well, the coming together of an LGBT community and a very prejudice, 'nuclear family' mind-set in a Welsh village...quite a few 'Winstons' in that village, I would reckon...or at least, that's how the story started but progressed to a very different ending...there was no 'the villians were killed in the end' ending/I don't mean literally killed obviously, that would have been a bit extreme..what would that ending have achieved anyway, along would come another Winston and another and another and etc etc....because they do keep on a comin' when they're distracted (these homophobic mind-sets..) by defending, rather than to be made to think about...by living with somone/sharing house space with someone for instance, who is gay and who (they possibly) could come to think of as making a darn good parent to a child...just a possibility that was booed out with no understandings given any opportunity to happen...a possible 'oh actually, this John person would make an amazing parent, I think..he has great values and character etc..so much to enrich a child's life with...so if that's possible...could it also possibly be that other gay people would make great parents as well...OMG, OMG, OMG..., maybe, just maybe my 'Christian beliefs' need questioning..'...so much easier to 'hate back' I guess, show the same lack of tolerance...but that's not really ever going to do anything positive though, is it...and really, because his opinions/views were about parenting/gay parents and so extreme...what is any of this teaching our children...that we won't tolerate a 'bad man', darling..that we need to show the same intolerance that has been shown by them..that, that will 'fix', well it won't because it hasn't...these mind-sets have not been 'fixed'....


..anyways, just my opinion of course...

[Ninastar]

Originally Posted by Ammi

...hmmmm, it's interesting that so many of us always say how we would like the 'old style' BB back and the social experiment, type thing...surely, having Winston in the house with his extreme views on homosexuality, together with homeosexuals in there as well, is an inetersting social experiment..I mean, is that not a big part of it all...to see if there could be any understanding gained or any mind-set changes etc...yeah, we can hate on people who have the same views as Winston/we can boo them and scream get out... but if we do that, then all it'll cause is for nothing really to ever change because that hate will inevitably cause a defensiveness that will not leave an open door for listening...it's 2016, views like Winston's should not still be something that exist but they do exist and maybe that's partly because they're attacked, rather than discussed..a mind-set is a mind-set, something that isn't easy to change and I would doubt, would ever be changed through a BB experience but at least it's a beginning and an opening for questioning that mind-set...why do you believe a homosexual guy would be a sexual predator in any way, why would you have to have your 'back to the wall', while sharing the same house space/environment...why would it in any way be damaging for a child to have homosexual parents..?...all of these opportunities lost by hating on someone, by attacking what they believe...as abhorrent as it may be, it's their genuine belief and one that will continue sadly and be 'inherited' if all there is, is attack on it...the 'divide' will remain, the divide will widen because it's not just his beliefs, it's also the beliefs of others as well....we're kind of quite selective with our free speech because we don't like it when it offends and Winston's opinions are certainly very offensive and prejudice...but what really the importance of our own personal offence, compared to a possible changing of like-minded opinions to Winston's opinions...is that not the 'bigger picture', to not shut down the Winstons of the world, to not name call and attack...that's only going to re-inforce their mind-sets...if we want change, we have to allow change to happen and we have to hear and listen to some pretty unpleasant stuff...there will be no 'fix' unless that happens...I could not be more opposed to everything Winston seems to believe, which is why any possible house conversations with him would have interested me the most...there was a chance here for a real social experiment, something that I've always loved about BB from 'back in the day' but it's sadly been lost to a 'hero/villian' thing which has been manufactured by BB...let's hate on the villian, that's so fun and entertaining, well yes it is but it's kind of missing a great opportunity of something much more than entertaining by just fuelling more hate and more intolerance...

..anyways, it is what it is, an entertainment show but personally, I'd like to see less and less Winstons coming along in the future because they have listened and been listened to and mind-sets have been changed or at least questioned by themselves..that would be an ideal world, I guess..the sort of Hollywood ending which just doesn't happen, does it..but a step closer to it happening possibly..?...I don't know if anyone has watched the movie, Pride...and incredibly beautiful movie, that did have that 'Hollywood Ending'...except that it was real life as well, the coming together of an LGBT community and a very prejudice, 'nuclear family' mind-set in a Welsh village...quite a few 'Winstons' in that village, I would reckon...or at least, that's how the story started but progressed to a very different ending...there was no 'the villians were killed in the end' ending/I don't mean literally killed obviously, that would have been a bit extreme..what would that ending have achieved anyway, along would come another Winston and another and another and etc etc....because they do keep on a comin' when they're distracted (these homophobic mind-sets..) by defending, rather than to be made to think about...by living with somone/sharing house space with someone for instance, who is gay and who (they possibly) could come to think of as making a darn good parent to a child...just a possibility that was booed out with no understandings given any opportunity to happen...a possible 'oh actually, this John person would make an amazing parent, I think..he has great values and character etc..so much to enrich a child's life with...so if that's possible...could it also possibly be that other gay people would make great parents as well...OMG, OMG, OMG..., maybe, just maybe my 'Christian beliefs' need questioning..'...so much easier to 'hate back' I guess, show the same lack of tolerance...but that's not really ever going to do anything positive though, is it...and really, because his opinions/views were about parenting/gay parents and so extreme...what is any of this teaching our children...that we won't tolerate a 'bad man', darling..that we need to show the same intolerance that has been shown by them..that, that will 'fix', well it won't because it hasn't...these mind-sets have not been 'fixed'....


..anyways, just my opinion of course...

Beautifully said Ammi. As always

[jet]

Originally Posted by Ammi

...hmmmm, it's interesting that so many of us always say how we would like the 'old style' BB back and the social experiment, type thing...surely, having Winston in the house with his extreme views on homosexuality, together with homeosexuals in there as well, is an inetersting social experiment..I mean, is that not a big part of it all...to see if there could be any understanding gained or any mind-set changes etc...yeah, we can hate on people who have the same views as Winston/we can boo them and scream get out... but if we do that, then all it'll cause is for nothing really to ever change because that hate will inevitably cause a defensiveness that will not leave an open door for listening...it's 2016, views like Winston's should not still be something that exist but they do exist and maybe that's partly because they're attacked, rather than discussed..a mind-set is a mind-set, something that isn't easy to change and I would doubt, would ever be changed through a BB experience but at least it's a beginning and an opening for questioning that mind-set...why do you believe a homosexual guy would be a sexual predator in any way, why would you have to have your 'back to the wall', while sharing the same house space/environment...why would it in any way be damaging for a child to have homosexual parents..?...all of these opportunities lost by hating on someone, by attacking what they believe...as abhorrent as it may be, it's their genuine belief and one that will continue sadly and be 'inherited' if all there is, is attack on it...the 'divide' will remain, the divide will widen because it's not just his beliefs, it's also the beliefs of others as well....we're kind of quite selective with our free speech because we don't like it when it offends and Winston's opinions are certainly very offensive and prejudice...but what really the importance of our own personal offence, compared to a possible changing of like-minded opinions to Winston's opinions...is that not the 'bigger picture', to not shut down the Winstons of the world, to not name call and attack...that's only going to re-inforce their mind-sets...if we want change, we have to allow change to happen and we have to hear and listen to some pretty unpleasant stuff...there will be no 'fix' unless that happens...I could not be more opposed to everything Winston seems to believe, which is why any possible house conversations with him would have interested me the most...there was a chance here for a real social experiment, something that I've always loved about BB from 'back in the day' but it's sadly been lost to a 'hero/villian' thing which has been manufactured by BB...let's hate on the villian, that's so fun and entertaining, well yes it is but it's kind of missing a great opportunity of something much more than entertaining by just fuelling more hate and more intolerance...

..anyways, it is what it is, an entertainment show but personally, I'd like to see less and less Winstons coming along in the future because they have listened and been listened to and mind-sets have been changed or at least questioned by themselves..that would be an ideal world, I guess..the sort of Hollywood ending which just doesn't happen, does it..but a step closer to it happening possibly..?...I don't know if anyone has watched the movie, Pride...and incredibly beautiful movie, that did have that 'Hollywood Ending'...except that it was real life as well, the coming together of an LGBT community and a very prejudice, 'nuclear family' mind-set in a Welsh village...quite a few 'Winstons' in that village, I would reckon...or at least, that's how the story started but progressed to a very different ending...there was no 'the villians were killed in the end' ending/I don't mean literally killed obviously, that would have been a bit extreme..what would that ending have achieved anyway, along would come another Winston and another and another and etc etc....because they do keep on a comin' when they're distracted (these homophobic mind-sets..) by defending, rather than to be made to think about...by living with somone/sharing house space with someone for instance, who is gay and who (they possibly) could come to think of as making a darn good parent to a child...just a possibility that was booed out with no understandings given any opportunity to happen...a possible 'oh actually, this John person would make an amazing parent, I think..he has great values and character etc..so much to enrich a child's life with...so if that's possible...could it also possibly be that other gay people would make great parents as well...OMG, OMG, OMG..., maybe, just maybe my 'Christian beliefs' need questioning..'...so much easier to 'hate back' I guess, show the same lack of tolerance...but that's not really ever going to do anything positive though, is it...and really, because his opinions/views were about parenting/gay parents and so extreme...what is any of this teaching our children...that we won't tolerate a 'bad man', darling..that we need to show the same intolerance that has been shown by them..that, that will 'fix', well it won't because it hasn't...these mind-sets have not been 'fixed'....


..anyways, just my opinion of course...

Fantastic post Ammi. I always love reading your thoughts.
I too long for the early BB days of the social experiment without interference from producers forcing issues and instead letting us get to know them simply through their conversations and interactions with each other. If it had been the old style BB, I think that Winston's views on gay adoption could well have come to light naturally anyway given time as he was already showing homophobia in his VT and in the house before the task was carried out so he obviously wanted his views on the subject known to some extent.

What you say makes great sense and I love your understanding and thoughtfulness, but personally I'm glad I don't have to look or hear from that disgusting arrogant man for even another day.
In my real life I don't go all guns blazing against homophobic remarks, well not often....probably most of us don't and we just say we disagree and say why, because attacking someone's beliefs doesn't get you anywhere - and you might get your face rearranged lol - (I once got into a heated argument with a big guy in a bar about his anti gay views and got head butted for my trouble, by the time I came to my senses he was gone so I didn't even get a go at him haha) so I think forums like this are a kind of outlet to safely let off steam...
I wish you would post more often, I always look out for your take on things....

[Pink Pegasus]

Originally Posted by Ammi

...hmmmm, it's interesting that so many of us always say how we would like the 'old style' BB back and the social experiment, type thing...surely, having Winston in the house with his extreme views on homosexuality, together with homeosexuals in there as well, is an inetersting social experiment..I mean, is that not a big part of it all...to see if there could be any understanding gained or any mind-set changes etc...yeah, we can hate on people who have the same views as Winston/we can boo them and scream get out... but if we do that, then all it'll cause is for nothing really to ever change because that hate will inevitably cause a defensiveness that will not leave an open door for listening...it's 2016, views like Winston's should not still be something that exist but they do exist and maybe that's partly because they're attacked, rather than discussed..a mind-set is a mind-set, something that isn't easy to change and I would doubt, would ever be changed through a BB experience but at least it's a beginning and an opening for questioning that mind-set...why do you believe a homosexual guy would be a sexual predator in any way, why would you have to have your 'back to the wall', while sharing the same house space/environment...why would it in any way be damaging for a child to have homosexual parents..?...all of these opportunities lost by hating on someone, by attacking what they believe...as abhorrent as it may be, it's their genuine belief and one that will continue sadly and be 'inherited' if all there is, is attack on it...the 'divide' will remain, the divide will widen because it's not just his beliefs, it's also the beliefs of others as well....we're kind of quite selective with our free speech because we don't like it when it offends and Winston's opinions are certainly very offensive and prejudice...but what really the importance of our own personal offence, compared to a possible changing of like-minded opinions to Winston's opinions...is that not the 'bigger picture', to not shut down the Winstons of the world, to not name call and attack...that's only going to re-inforce their mind-sets...if we want change, we have to allow change to happen and we have to hear and listen to some pretty unpleasant stuff...there will be no 'fix' unless that happens...I could not be more opposed to everything Winston seems to believe, which is why any possible house conversations with him would have interested me the most...there was a chance here for a real social experiment, something that I've always loved about BB from 'back in the day' but it's sadly been lost to a 'hero/villian' thing which has been manufactured by BB...let's hate on the villian, that's so fun and entertaining, well yes it is but it's kind of missing a great opportunity of something much more than entertaining by just fuelling more hate and more intolerance...

..anyways, it is what it is, an entertainment show but personally, I'd like to see less and less Winstons coming along in the future because they have listened and been listened to and mind-sets have been changed or at least questioned by themselves..that would be an ideal world, I guess..the sort of Hollywood ending which just doesn't happen, does it..but a step closer to it happening possibly..?...I don't know if anyone has watched the movie, Pride...and incredibly beautiful movie, that did have that 'Hollywood Ending'...except that it was real life as well, the coming together of an LGBT community and a very prejudice, 'nuclear family' mind-set in a Welsh village...quite a few 'Winstons' in that village, I would reckon...or at least, that's how the story started but progressed to a very different ending...there was no 'the villians were killed in the end' ending/I don't mean literally killed obviously, that would have been a bit extreme..what would that ending have achieved anyway, along would come another Winston and another and another and etc etc....because they do keep on a comin' when they're distracted (these homophobic mind-sets..) by defending, rather than to be made to think about...by living with somone/sharing house space with someone for instance, who is gay and who (they possibly) could come to think of as making a darn good parent to a child...just a possibility that was booed out with no understandings given any opportunity to happen...a possible 'oh actually, this John person would make an amazing parent, I think..he has great values and character etc..so much to enrich a child's life with...so if that's possible...could it also possibly be that other gay people would make great parents as well...OMG, OMG, OMG..., maybe, just maybe my 'Christian beliefs' need questioning..'...so much easier to 'hate back' I guess, show the same lack of tolerance...but that's not really ever going to do anything positive though, is it...and really, because his opinions/views were about parenting/gay parents and so extreme...what is any of this teaching our children...that we won't tolerate a 'bad man', darling..that we need to show the same intolerance that has been shown by them..that, that will 'fix', well it won't because it hasn't...these mind-sets have not been 'fixed'....


..anyways, just my opinion of course...

Just read this now, just want to say fantastic post Ammi, you raise some great points there and made me think about the situation and some aspects more closely. I find you a very good debater and at getting me to look at at alternative viewpoints by how you lay out your posts. I did want him evicted because he was my least favourite of the 3 nominees not solely because of his comments but also because I just liked the other 2 ladies a bit more as housemates and thought he was a little bit sleazy so I'm still glad it was him gone out of the 3 that were up. However I too wonder though if a few weeks living with gay people would have made Winston question some of his own negative beliefs? I know that there might not have been a high likelihood of that but it would be something that would have been interesting to witness if it did happen. Alternatively things could have escalated even further and he could have gone on to really upset some of the housemates further or gotten into bigger arguments that also damaged himself more with the public, but I didn't get the impression it was something he wanted to fight and argue about so maybe his opinions might have changed a little over time...

[Jamie89]

Originally Posted by Ammi

...hmmmm, it's interesting that so many of us always say how we would like the 'old style' BB back and the social experiment, type thing...surely, having Winston in the house with his extreme views on homosexuality, together with homeosexuals in there as well, is an inetersting social experiment..I mean, is that not a big part of it all...to see if there could be any understanding gained or any mind-set changes etc...yeah, we can hate on people who have the same views as Winston/we can boo them and scream get out... but if we do that, then all it'll cause is for nothing really to ever change because that hate will inevitably cause a defensiveness that will not leave an open door for listening...it's 2016, views like Winston's should not still be something that exist but they do exist and maybe that's partly because they're attacked, rather than discussed..a mind-set is a mind-set, something that isn't easy to change and I would doubt, would ever be changed through a BB experience but at least it's a beginning and an opening for questioning that mind-set...why do you believe a homosexual guy would be a sexual predator in any way, why would you have to have your 'back to the wall', while sharing the same house space/environment...why would it in any way be damaging for a child to have homosexual parents..?...all of these opportunities lost by hating on someone, by attacking what they believe...as abhorrent as it may be, it's their genuine belief and one that will continue sadly and be 'inherited' if all there is, is attack on it...the 'divide' will remain, the divide will widen because it's not just his beliefs, it's also the beliefs of others as well....we're kind of quite selective with our free speech because we don't like it when it offends and Winston's opinions are certainly very offensive and prejudice...but what really the importance of our own personal offence, compared to a possible changing of like-minded opinions to Winston's opinions...is that not the 'bigger picture', to not shut down the Winstons of the world, to not name call and attack...that's only going to re-inforce their mind-sets...if we want change, we have to allow change to happen and we have to hear and listen to some pretty unpleasant stuff...there will be no 'fix' unless that happens...I could not be more opposed to everything Winston seems to believe, which is why any possible house conversations with him would have interested me the most...there was a chance here for a real social experiment, something that I've always loved about BB from 'back in the day' but it's sadly been lost to a 'hero/villian' thing which has been manufactured by BB...let's hate on the villian, that's so fun and entertaining, well yes it is but it's kind of missing a great opportunity of something much more than entertaining by just fuelling more hate and more intolerance...

..anyways, it is what it is, an entertainment show but personally, I'd like to see less and less Winstons coming along in the future because they have listened and been listened to and mind-sets have been changed or at least questioned by themselves..that would be an ideal world, I guess..the sort of Hollywood ending which just doesn't happen, does it..but a step closer to it happening possibly..?...I don't know if anyone has watched the movie, Pride...and incredibly beautiful movie, that did have that 'Hollywood Ending'...except that it was real life as well, the coming together of an LGBT community and a very prejudice, 'nuclear family' mind-set in a Welsh village...quite a few 'Winstons' in that village, I would reckon...or at least, that's how the story started but progressed to a very different ending...there was no 'the villians were killed in the end' ending/I don't mean literally killed obviously, that would have been a bit extreme..what would that ending have achieved anyway, along would come another Winston and another and another and etc etc....because they do keep on a comin' when they're distracted (these homophobic mind-sets..) by defending, rather than to be made to think about...by living with somone/sharing house space with someone for instance, who is gay and who (they possibly) could come to think of as making a darn good parent to a child...just a possibility that was booed out with no understandings given any opportunity to happen...a possible 'oh actually, this John person would make an amazing parent, I think..he has great values and character etc..so much to enrich a child's life with...so if that's possible...could it also possibly be that other gay people would make great parents as well...OMG, OMG, OMG..., maybe, just maybe my 'Christian beliefs' need questioning..'...so much easier to 'hate back' I guess, show the same lack of tolerance...but that's not really ever going to do anything positive though, is it...and really, because his opinions/views were about parenting/gay parents and so extreme...what is any of this teaching our children...that we won't tolerate a 'bad man', darling..that we need to show the same intolerance that has been shown by them..that, that will 'fix', well it won't because it hasn't...these mind-sets have not been 'fixed'....


..anyways, just my opinion of course...

[LukeB]

Everyone is entitled to their opinions/views but some opinions/views offend others and people have the right to be annoyed and angry just as much as the person is entitled to have an opinion. You can't really expect gay people to not react to what his views are. They are disgusting and it's 2016 views like that will not go down well

[Tom4784]

Yes, people are allowed opinions but we do not need to respect those opinions and nor should we if we disagree. I'll never respect someone who would want to deny a child a loving home because they disagree with the parents' sexuality.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Yes, people are allowed opinions but we do not need to respect those opinions and nor should we if we disagree. I'll never respect someone who would want to deny a child a loving home because they disagree with the parents' sexuality.

In a nut shell

[T*]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Yes, people are allowed opinions but we do not need to respect those opinions and nor should we if we disagree. I'll never respect someone who would want to deny a child a loving home because they disagree with the parents' sexuality.

.

[Dollface]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Yes, people are allowed opinions but we do not need to respect those opinions and nor should we if we disagree. I'll never respect someone who would want to deny a child a loving home because they disagree with the parents' sexuality.

this

[MB.]

This a show that boos and hisses people for their boob size, of course we should judge people on who they are and what they think. It's Big Brother.

[Jake.]

come out with a stupid view and respect a reaction

[JoshBB]

It depends which topic their opinion is on.

If a person had the personal view that capitalism was the superior economic system and had actual arguments to back it up, fair enough. They can think that and I would continue to not.

But having your own views on the rights of a social group is not acceptable as an 'opinion', and anyone suggesting we should restrict the rights of a grouping on the basis of their sex, sexuality, gender identity, race, religion, nationality, ability/disablity etc is not okay and I won't respect anyone who holds those views. I also would not respect a fascist, nazi, or stalinist's opinions because of historical oppression and mass-murder.

edit: oh wait this isn't SN&D.. erm yeah judge people if they fake or nasty

[Vicky.]

Nah I don't think we should 'respect' opinions such as what was aired tonight. But completely ostracizing someone and talking over them when they try to explain, thats crap.

[Jake.]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Nah I don't think we should 'respect' opinions such as what was aired tonight. But completely ostracizing someone and talking over them when they try to explain, thats crap.

but this i agree with

[Ninastar]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Nah I don't think we should 'respect' opinions such as what was aired tonight. But completely ostracizing someone and talking over them when they try to explain, thats crap.

Exactly. I think what I meant when I made this thread is 'Should people just agree to disagree' about something and put it behind them.... Because I think the way Emma acted was a little bit ridiculous.

[Jordan.]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Nah I don't think we should 'respect' opinions such as what was aired tonight. But completely ostracizing someone and talking over them when they try to explain, thats crap.

2

Plus the fact they put him in knowing full well about stuff he'd said and then still played up the faux-outrage like they didn't expect it

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Jordan.

2

Plus the fact they put him in knowing full well about stuff he'd still and then still played up the faux-outrage like they didn't expect it

He was set up completely. He was only put in there to be ejected anyway which was clear from his opening VT airing the comment he made on there too.

I actually sort of suspect that Nancy had less votes than him tonight and thats why the 'twist' happened.

Yes I am playing conspiracies

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Nah I don't think we should 'respect' opinions such as what was aired tonight. But completely ostracizing someone and talking over them when they try to explain, thats crap.

.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Nah I don't think we should 'respect' opinions such as what was aired tonight. But completely ostracizing someone and talking over them when they try to explain, thats crap.

100% correct

[Ant.]

Better respect Hitler's opinions then

[LukeB]

"the child doesn't get a choice" makes it child abuse because the couple are gay...

makes no sense whatsoever, they don't have a choice with straight couples either.. so how is it any different...