[empire]

labour won't win the 2020 election.or any in the next 25 years, the reason why is, that the party is split three ways, with the blairites, the far left, and the centre left, fighting eachother, in the future there might be that the center left labour, will move out and make their own labour party, but they will not get second place in the big elections for the next 20 years, and the main labour party will end up being a third rate party, and a 20 year power vacuum will mean that other parties,snp.plaid cymru,ukip, will just eat into their vote base, you can not blame corbyn for all your problems, because it goes back a long time ago, in the 80s and 90s, because 80s labour was very stale, and 90s new labour went from a working mans party to a red left wing tory party, now its a far left party, and today has a very big ethnic minority vote than it did in the 70s, and they ask why can't they get more white british voters, and they go around in circles, well because of there obsession with racial equality will appeal too one big part of society, but it won't appeal to the other big part of society, and you just lose half of the vote, because you can't call that person, the uneducated class and bigots, corbyn has been in that party a long time, and he knew what happened in the 80s when labour split bady, but the party of the last nineteen years does not appeal to half of working class families anymore, history can repeat itself, but much worst.

[letmein]

Khan is shady as hell and has ties to Islamic extremists. Labour is a disaster under anti-Western, antisemitic, Corbyn. The Left in Britain is a disgrace!

Sadiq Khan slammed for calling moderate Muslim groups ‘Uncle Toms’

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by letmein

Khan is shady as hell and has ties to Islamic extremists. Labour is a disaster under anti-Western, antisemitic, Corbyn. The Left in Britain is a disgrace!

Sadiq Khan slammed for calling moderate Muslim groups ‘Uncle Toms’

b

This has all been proven to be absolute nonsense. You call the left a disgrace because you buy everything said against the left, including what you posted here. Why don't you try and look at both sides of the truth instead of just the bit that gives you ammunition to hopefully shock us all.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

b

This has all been proven to be absolute nonsense. You call the left a disgrace because you buy everything said against the left, including what you posted here. Why don't you try and look at both sides of the truth instead of just the bit that gives you ammunition to hopefully shock us all.

The Uncle Tom quote isn't nonsense is it?

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by Cherie

The Uncle Tom quote isn't nonsense is it?

The way its been quoted in the Metro? Yes, absolutely. Its a standing joke in the Muslim communities round here that Sadiq Khan is an uncle Tom and Khan himself accepts that any Muslim working within British politics including himself, will be seen as uncle Toms. What he saying in that video is, he can't only speak and listen to people who think like he does.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

The way its been quoted in the Metro? Yes, absolutely. Its a standing joke in the Muslim communities round here that Sadiq Khan is an uncle Tom and Khan himself accepts that any Muslim working within British politics including himself, will be seen as uncle Toms. What he saying in that video is, he can't only speak and listen to people who think like he does.

The video is from 2009, the point of the comment by Metro is Khans hypocrisy at slating Livingstone for using racial slurs while happy to use them himself

It’s unfortunate timing. Days ago, Mr Khan condemned the use of the term Uncle Tom while criticising Ken Livingstone for comments he described as ‘appalling and disgusting’.

Now two Labour councillors are suspended for anti-Israeli Facebook posts
Last night, a spokesman for Mr Khan said last night that he ‘regrets’ using the term.

not sure what the standing joke in your area has to do with anything, apart from being tasteless.

[Kizzy]

Anyone hear Boris sing 'Ode to joy' he would've been the toast of the Reichsmusiktage.

[Kizzy]

Voters aren't fickle, they're thick! All the govt has to do is spin a story 'leak' it to the torygraph and badda bing Labour lose votes :/

[empire]

labour lost its main base voters in scotland, and london is now there main base, but london is a tiny spot, compared to scotland, today's labour is very far left, the tory's pro eu stance, has lost them some big voters to ukip, over the last few years, and both labour and the tory's are in the same bad way now, and nationalism is rising in europe, and it has been in the last ten years, there many here in the uk that are, fed up with both parties, and don't bother voting for them,

[DemolitionRed]

Corbyn has only been Labour leader for 8 months. Its another 40 months before we choose a new PM. I think its far too early to be making predictions.

[bots]

Well I asked Joey what would be seen as a bad result for labour before the counting started, so its not really fair to move the goalposts now wrt it being a good/bad result even if i want to

One can never read too much into by elections mid term, particularly given that one was the wife of the elected mp, so I set them to one side. The SNP aren't going to go away any time soon, and for some reason they are seen as the protector of the Scottish people, so Labour will do very well to get more than a handful of seats from Scotland at the next GE. Given that traditional base is gone, it means that labour have to make inroads into the traditional english tory vote if they are to even stand a chance of getting even with the tories, let alone forming a majority government.

With the best will in the world, those voters are not going to switch over with seriously left wing policies, its just not going to happen, so while the results were not bad for labour, they are just not going to capture sufficient voters from the tories to seriously consider being a majority government. They will need to move much much closer to the center ground.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

Well I asked Joey what would be seen as a bad result for labour before the counting started, so its not really fair to move the goalposts now wrt it being a good/bad result even if i want to

One can never read too much into by elections mid term, particularly given that one was the wife of the elected mp, so I set them to one side. The SNP aren't going to go away any time soon, and for some reason they are seen as the protector of the Scottish people, so Labour will do very well to get more than a handful of seats from Scotland at the next GE. Given that traditional base is gone, it means that labour have to make inroads into the traditional english tory vote if they are to even stand a chance of getting even with the tories, let alone forming a majority government.

With the best will in the world, those voters are not going to switch over with seriously left wing policies, its just not going to happen, so while the results were not bad for labour, they are just not going to capture sufficient voters from the tories to seriously consider being a majority government. They will need to move much much closer to the center ground.

I forgot you asked me what a bad result for Labour would be.

I am starting to think it may well be that the days of good and maybe too, any overall majority govts are going.

These are struggling with a 12 overall majority and that was unexpected by all Parties and voters alike anyway.

It will be far harder for labour to get any overall majority without Scottish seats admittedly, however for me the fact the SNP will never likely back the Conservatives is good enough for me and I also do think the SNP do a good job in Scotland.

IT isn't really fair to dismiss good results in any elections,especially 3 of them,as to the by-elections, they still have to be won.
Also UKIP were making great play as to both Oldham and Ogmore, yes they came 2nd but miles behind in 2nd.

True in Sheffield the winner is the wife of the deceased former MP but in the other 2 by elections in the last year in Ogmore and Oldham, Labour held their share of the vote or increased it and the fact is that Conservatives fell further behind in them.
Had Labour barely won them or even lost one, people would certainly be shouting off about that.

Reasonable turnouts too in all for by-elections as well.

A good test is coming up in the future, in Tooting, Sadiq Khan's seat,his majority was under 3,000.
If Labour win that again and do really well, 4 by-elections cannot be dismissed.

What is needed is a by-election in a Conservative held seat.

I am under no illusion at all that Labour can win in 2020 outright but I still can see them reaching a point of pushing close to being, or just getting there as to being the largest party.

This however is not mid term, it is only one year after an overall majority victory for this govt.

The coalition was the govt before, and the Lib Dems were slaughtered in the election last year and the Conservatives won.
It is then actually just past this govts own first year of govt.