[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

First they came for the Communists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Communist
Then they came for the Socialists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Socialist
Then they came for the trade unionists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a trade unionist
Then they came for the Jews
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Jew
Then they came for me
And there was no one left
To speak out for me

http://hmd.org.uk/resources/poetry/f...rtin-niemoller

But they didn't just speak did they. I doubt the pastor would have condoned the actions of either group.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

But they didn't just speak did they. I doubt the pastor would have condoned the actions of either group.

I doubt the Pastor would have ever expected to see a nazi revival less than 100yrs after the war.

[GiRTh]

Trump just tweeted

Memorial service today for beautiful and incredible Heather Heyer, a truly special young woman. She will be long remembered by all!

It took him 4 days to finally name the young lady who was killed. No matter what your political leanings, that is pathetic.

[Samm]

As if there's anything wrong with the left, when there's nazi in the right

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Samm

As if there's anything wrong with the left, when there's nazi in the right

I suggest you go and read what Stalin was up to while Hitler was gassing people. This what happens when people forget - or don't learn - history.

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by Livia

I suggest you go and read what Stalin was up to while Hitler was gassing people. This what happens when people forget - or don't learn - history.

What a really odd comment. What are you implying?

[Livia]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

What a really odd comment. What are you implying?

If you look at the quote to which I was replying maybe you'll get your head around it. If you still don't understand, let me know and I'll explain it for you.

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by Livia

If you look at the quote to which I was replying maybe you'll get your head around it. If you still don't understand, let me know and I'll explain it for you.

I'd love you to explain it to me because I'm flummoxed. You seem to be insinuating that whilst fascist Germany was gassing millions, Stalin's Russia was doing equally appalling acts and that we who sit on the Left, have some sort of hero worship with Stalin, just as the Nazi supporters hero worship Hitler?

If you’d said Lenin or Trotsky I would have understood but Stalin? Stalin was the enemy of communism. Stalin held hands with fascist Germany because like Hitler, he was a fascist. He bastardized all Karl Marx’s ideologies to create an imperialist state. He was a dominant totalitarian monster and just like Hitler, he's an enemy of the Left.

[GiRTh]

Trump Ends Business Councils as CEOs Turn Against President

Yesterday he effectively tweeted 'To hell with you' to any CEO who didnt want to be on his manufacturing council and that there are plenty who do, today he ends the council after even more leave. He seriously thought there would be no consequences to his action. Absolutely clueless and no kind of leader what so ever.

[Alf]

Trump had 2 scoops of Ice-Cream for his afters.

An actual MSM smear story. That's where we're at.

[GiRTh]

Originally Posted by Alf

Trump had 2 scoops of Ice-Cream for his afters.

An actual MSM smear story. That's where we're at.

Fox news once had a go at Obama for saluting a marine with a coffee cup in his hand and then there was the time they had a go at him for wearing a tan suit. Those two were off the top of my head.

Obama uses coffee cup to salute Marines

The Audacity of taupe

[Alf]

Originally Posted by GiRTh

Fox news once had a go at Obama for saluting a marine with a coffee cup in his hand and then there was the time they had a go at him for wearing a tan suit. Those two were off the top of my head.

Obama uses coffee cup to salute Marines

Exactly, that's where we're at with MSM. Pathetic isn't it?

[GiRTh]

Originally Posted by Alf

Exactly, that's where we're at with MSM. Pathetic isn't it?

Of course and Fox led the way with their constant attacks on Obama

[arista]

Originally Posted by GiRTh

Of course and Fox led the way with their constant attacks on Obama

Thats there Job.

[arista]

"Fox news once had a go at Obama"

Girth thats NORMAL
you must get back to NYC

Feel The Force

[GiRTh]

First, what are you talking about and second, why did it take two posts to make that comment

I didnt even mention the nine congressional hearings into Benghazi that all found nothing. If my memory serve me Fox mentioned Benghazi every day for about three weeks straight. If anyone wants to complain about the media giving Donny a hard time then they need to look at what some sections of the media did to Obama.

Talking of NYC, just watched a live interview with two of the 'Central Park Five'. I'd almost forgotten about this dark period in Donny's past. Look it up if you want to know the details but to summarise - Five young men (4 black one hispanic) were accused of assault and rape during 1989. Donny wanted these guys fried and took out ads in the four major New York papers but it turns out they were innocent and even when their innocence was establised thru DNA Donny still didnt buy it and still wanted them prosecuted. They are crawling into every dodgy thing he's ever done and said and frankly with his limp response to this crisis I'm not surprised.

[arista]

L4E

there is not enough of them


TRUMP HAS MOVED ON

you must keep UP
You are Out there
and I have 4 USA Live TV NEWS running


Avoid CNN HD if the get stuck in F.SLUDGE


Sign Of The Times

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by arista

L4E

there is not enough of them


TRUMP HAS MOVED ON

you must keep UP
You are Out there
and I have 4 USA Live TV NEWS running


Avoid CNN HD if the get stuck in F.SLUDGE


Sign Of The Times

What is "sign of the times"?

[arista]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

What is "sign of the times"?

Its a Sub Code


FECK all to do with Computers

Infact MTVN was well happy with
his thread with the FULL 12" Remix
backing singer gets a lead towards the end

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by arista

Its a Sub Code


FECK all to do with Computers

Infact MTVN was well happy with
his thread with the FULL 12" Remix
backing singer gets a lead towards the end

Yeah well, it sounds like an echo chamber. It doesn't mean anything, just like the rest of your posts.

[arista]

Russia was not helping Trump
Trump was using them.


CLINTON WOMAN FAILED 100%


How the HELL do you let her OFF?????

[Northern Monkey]

Unfortunately all this **** is just human nature.We aren't that removed from our animal ancestors.
The factions we form are just like packs that chimpanzees and other animals form.
I saw a documentary a while back on chimps where a pack were out and they found a lone male and set about him.They stamped on him,ripped his bollocks off and mutilated him.It's a territorial animal intstinct.They do also show compassion and kindness.
It's why we have team sports(or mock wars).There are people who go to footy games just for the battle,Some don't even go in and watch the game.
In peace time many humans get bored and go to war with each other.We haven't evolved that instinct out of us yet which isn't surprising as we are still such a young species.
Humans need to learn the art of cohesive argument and debate to win their battles rather than hurting and killing each other.
We need to start listening to each others point of view and stop trying to surpress people's right to express their thoughts otherwise violence is all that comes out of it.Shutting peoples voice down only breeds anger and hatred and then the extreme elements rise up and take their arguments to the battlegrounds.
That's the only way we'll evolve.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Northern Monkey

Unfortunately all this **** is just human nature.We aren't that removed from our animal ancestors.
The factions we form are just like packs that chimpanzees and other animals form.
I saw a documentary a while back on chimps where a pack were out and they found a lone male and set about him.They stamped on him,ripped his bollocks off and mutilated him.It's a territorial animal intstinct.They do also show compassion and kindness.
It's why we have team sports(or mock wars).There are people who go to footy games just for the battle,Some don't even go in and watch the game.
In peace time many humans get bored and go to war with each other.We haven't evolved that instinct out of us yet which isn't surprising as we are still such a young species.
Humans need to learn the art of cohesive argument and debate to win their battles rather than hurting and killing each other.
We need to start listening to each others point of view and stop trying to surpress people's right to express their thoughts otherwise violence is all that comes out of it.Shutting peoples voice down only breeds anger and hatred and then the extreme elements rise up and take their arguments to the battlegrounds.
That's the only way we'll evolve.

I agree with all that, so much.

I honestly worry for the future. We're killing the planet, we're breeding like flies so that in a few decades we're not going to be able to feed everyone, there are problems between black and white, black and black, white and white, Jews and... well loads of people... Muslims are killing people in the most barbaric ways - mainly other Muslims... We have a finite amount of trips around the sun and it's madness that people would want to waste that precious time fighting.

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by Livia

I agree with all that, so much.

I honestly worry for the future. We're killing the planet, we're breeding like flies so that in a few decades we're not going to be able to feed everyone, there are problems between black and white, black and black, white and white, Jews and... well loads of people... Muslims are killing people in the most barbaric ways - mainly other Muslims... We have a finite amount of trips around the sun and it's madness that people would want to waste that precious time fighting.

So true.We should be working together to explore strange new worlds, to seek out new life and new civilizations, to boldly go where no man has gone before.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Northern Monkey

So true.We should be working together to explore strange new worlds, to seek out new life and new civilizations, to boldly go where no man has gone before.

LOL... you silly arse.