[Brillopad]

https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...llege-pakistan

This is yet another exmple of why the safety of the MANY should get priority over the rights of the FEW ie to wear clothing in public places that poses a very real security risk, especially in such dangerous times. It is a disaster waiting to happen in the West.

It annoys the hell out of me that some people think they have the right to expose others to this risk and/or defend their ‘rights’ to do so. Time this particular risk was reduced. What a tragic waste of life.

[smudgie]

Absolutely awful.
R.I.P.
So much hate in this world.

[DemolitionRed]

My thoughts to all those in Pakistan affected by this massacre.

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...llege-pakistan

This is yet another exmple of why the safety of the MANY should get priority over the rights of the FEW ie to wear clothing in public places that poses a very real security risk, especially in such dangerous times. It is a disaster waiting to happen in the West.

It annoys the hell out of me that some people think they have the right to expose others to this risk and/or defend their ‘rights’ to do so. Time this particular risk was reduced. What a tragic waste of life.

What's the solution in your opinion?

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

What's the solution in your opinion?

Isn’t it obvious - ban the wearing of any item of clothing that covers the face and therefore identity, including religious dress, in all public places in Britain. Public safety should get priority over other issues.

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

Isn’t it obvious - ban the wearing of any item of clothing that covers the face and therefore identity, including religious dress, in all public places in Britain. Public safety should get priority over other issues.

Maybe it's obvious to you, but not so much to me. I disagree with your solution; how many people have been killed by people wearing the specific kind of clothing that covers the face?

When we see terrorists using vehicles to mow down innocents, is our first reaction that the obvious solution is to ban cars? If people want to cause damage to society, they don't need a Burka to do it.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

Maybe it's obvious to you, but not so much to me. I disagree with your solution; how many people have been killed by people wearing the specific kind of clothing that covers the face?

When we see terrorists using vehicles to mow down innocents, is our first reaction that the obvious solution is to ban cars? If people want to cause damage to society, they don't need a Burka to do it.

We will see - I hope you are right.

[Nicky91]

freakin disgusting

rip

[DemolitionRed]

Its tragic what happened in Pakistan but if this thread is just another old chestnut about how Muslim women dress in the UK, can I just ask, how much more can we talk about this?

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

Its tragic what happened in Pakistan but if this thread is just another old chestnut about how Muslim women dress in the UK, can I just ask, how much more can we talk about this?

As much as is needed I guess. Preferable to brushing it under the carpet in my opinion just to appease others.

[smudgie]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

Its tragic what happened in Pakistan but if this thread is just another old chestnut about how Muslim women dress in the UK, can I just ask, how much more can we talk about this?

Surely the thread is more to do with the problem/worry that men can dress as women in a burkha.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by NanaChristmas

Surely the thread is more to do with the problem/worry that men can dress as women in a burkha.

Exactly. It isn’t rocket science. If we get used to seeing groups of women in Burkhas and pay them no mind or feel intimidated by PC into not questiong them being in certain areas, as we know does happen, it would make it much easier for terrorists to get access to areas that a group of young Muslim men hiding weapons (ie wearing bulky clothing/rucksacks) would find more difficult.

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

Exactly. It isn’t rocket science. If we get used to seeing groups of women in Burkhas and pay them no mind or feel intimidated by PC into not questiong them being in certain areas, as we know does happen, it would make it much easier for terrorists to get access to areas that a group of young Muslim men hiding weapons (ie wearing bulky clothing/rucksacks) would find more difficult.

So you see a bunch of people in Burkas, and you're worried about feeling intimidated by the PC brigade stopping you from monitoring their activities?

Let's just pretend for one second (I know my theory is a massive reach, but go with it) that a bunch of women are walking around the city center minding their own business, sharing gossip about their husbands and mother-in-laws, taking their kids out for the day etc, but then they are being followed and monitored by random dudes on the street; would you think that would be more intimidating then the PC brigade stomping all over your imagined rights to be able to monitor other citizens?

What is more likely, a bunch of women on a day out? Or a group of men hiding guns? We live with all kinds of risks throughout our day, we run across the road when cars are coming, we go out in storms, and we get in flying metal boxes, so until these crazy gangs of Burka-killers become a real on-going problem, then I'm happy keeping my underwear dry about the whole issue.

[Withano]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

So you see a bunch of people in Burkas, and you're worried about feeling intimidated by the PC brigade stopping you from monitoring their activities?

Let's just pretend for one second (I know my theory is a massive reach, but go with it) that a bunch of women are walking around the city center minding their own business, sharing gossip about their husbands and mother-in-laws, taking their kids out for the day etc, but then they are being followed and monitored by random dudes on the street; would you think that would be more intimidating then the PC brigade stomping all over your imagined rights to be able to monitor other citizens?

What is more likely, a bunch of women on a day out? Or a group of men hiding guns? We live with all kinds of risks throughout our day, we run across the road when cars are coming, we go out in storms, and we get in flying metal boxes, so until these crazy gangs of Burka-killers become a real on-going problem, then I'm happy keeping my underwear dry about the whole issue.

Who is this guy? Can we keep him.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

So you see a bunch of people in Burkas, and you're worried about feeling intimidated by the PC brigade stopping you from monitoring their activities?

Let's just pretend for one second (I know my theory is a massive reach, but go with it) that a bunch of women are walking around the city center minding their own business, sharing gossip about their husbands and mother-in-laws, taking their kids out for the day etc, but then they are being followed and monitored by random dudes on the street; would you think that would be more intimidating then the PC brigade stomping all over your imagined rights to be able to monitor other citizens?

What is more likely, a bunch of women on a day out? Or a group of men hiding guns? We live with all kinds of risks throughout our day, we run across the road when cars are coming, we go out in storms, and we get in flying metal boxes, so until these crazy gangs of Burka-killers become a real on-going problem, then I'm happy keeping my underwear dry about the whole issue.

Talk about twisting my words. When did I mention following women wearing Burkhas. But I do know that security guards have spoken of not questioning women in bu4khas in banks and other such places due to feeling uncomfortable about doing so. It does show that it could pose a problem in other situations too as people will play on that. I am clearly talking about the police, security guards and other relevant personnel monitoring potential security risks not the general public acting like Miss Marple and following people around.

Of course we run all sorts of risks in an average day but until recently Muslim terrorism was a lot less likely. Surely the above article shows how easy it could be in the West especially with growing PC and the religious, modesty and PC implications of questioning women wearing Burkhas.

If you think Muslim terrorists won’t use that to their advantage you would be very naive and you don’t sound naive to me. Besides they already have. They have proved they will use whatever simple method they can - they are not particular. Anything that has the desired effect as there are plenty of vulnerable public places.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

Exactly. It isn’t rocket science. If we get used to seeing groups of women in Burkhas and pay them no mind or feel intimidated by PC into not questiong them being in certain areas, as we know does happen, it would make it much easier for terrorists to get access to areas that a group of young Muslim men hiding weapons (ie wearing bulky clothing/rucksacks) would find more difficult.

You never see students with rucksacks?

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by NanaChristmas

Surely the thread is more to do with the problem/worry that men can dress as women in a burkha.

Like The Slim Reaper says: what about terrorists that use cars? How many terrorist atrocities have we seen by men dressed in a burka ?

[jaxie]

I think we should be just as worried by the idea that women are indoctrinated to a point to believe that their appearance needs to be hidden or they are in some way loose and immoral, but that's probably another thread.

So sorry for anyone slaughtered by monsters in the name of fantasy. Such a senseless waste of innocent life. If the intent is there they will find some other way to hide.

[Withano]

Banning the burqa isnt going to stop terrorism. We never considered banning jeans when Mair murdered Cox, we never considered banning tshirts when Abedi bombed Manchester Arena, so I'd argue that your problem is more to do with Islam in general than the clothing of terrorists. And thats just a little bit sad.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Withano

Banning the burqa isnt going to stop terrorism. We never considered banning jeans when Mair murdered Cox, we never considered banning tshirts when Abedi bombed Manchester Arena, so I'd argue that your problem is more to do with Islam in general than the clothing of terrorists. And thats just a little bit sad.

Do jeans and tee shirts hide faces and identity then? What the wearing of the Burkha would do is make it harder to identify and catch anyone committing any kind of crime, including terrorism. If you can’t see the difference.

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

Do jeans and tee shirts hide faces and identity then? What the wearing of the Burkha would do is make it harder to identify and catch anyone committing any kind of crime, including terrorism. If you can’t see the difference.

Maybe it would help your case if you knew of one example where a terrorist got away with their crimes because they hid their face and then hid from every other cctv camera he passed on their way out of the crime scene?

You're really just suggesting an impossibly imaginary crime could happen, and we must stop that immediately.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Withano

Maybe it would help your case if you knew of one example where a terrorist got away with their crimes because they hid their face and then hid from every other cctv camera he passed on their way out of the crime scene?

You're really just suggesting an impossibly imaginary crime could happen, and we must stop that immediately.

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2013/...-teenager.html

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2013/...-teenager.html

The original story that opinion piece is talking about doesn't have anything to do with terrorism? The imaginary links to terrorism is provided by the Fox News writer.

You should really read your links before you post 'em.

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2013/...-teenager.html

Did you misread my post or that article / rhetorical

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2013/...-teenager.html

Fox news is well known for their measured approach to Muslims.