[poppsywoppsy]

Originally Posted by Twosugars

If so, mods will decide.
The older generation need working age people to pay their state pensions. The state doesn't put pension contributions to a separate pot for laters. The taxation pays for pensions. Basic finances. The argument is widely used in the media. So this agrument is a fail.

So if taxations pays for pensions who has put most in the pot over the years

Boom Boom Boomers

Basic finance My Jim Royal

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by Twosugars

Gonna go and vote for Courtney, it may take a while. Happy to discuss fairly later, dear Livia.

Don't go bankrupt by wasting your money .

[y.winter]

Well done to him and his sister, but still not sure what it has to do with "LGBT champion", whatever that is...
Gay acceptance doesn't deserve a special prize, like not robbing or not murdering doesn't deserve a prize. This is what you would expect from people to do... Gay disapproval, on the other hand, is worth a criticism.

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by Twosugars

If so, mods will decide.
The older generation need working age people to pay their state pensions. The state doesn't put pension contributions to a separate pot for laters. The taxation pays for pensions. Basic finances. The argument is widely used in the media. So this agrument is a fail.

Excuse me. The older generation have paid a lifetime of taxes to pay their pension. And a lifetime of national insurance to contribute towards everyones health care. Don't diss my parents and yours.

[Lostie!]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

Kids get bullied for wearing glasses and not the right trainers, gays are not exclusive

Nobody said anything of the sort, nor did they the last time you used this exact response, or the time before...

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Livia

More people have a private pension now... but really, you don't want to hear any of that and it was kind of off-topic when you first mentioned it.

I look forward to your next half-arsed post with great anticipation.

way to go Livia I suppose all those who fought for our right to freedom and free speech are also defunct.

[Trip]

Private pensions don't stop people claiming a state pension as they paid in for it. Sadly these contributions weren't saved and invested to be paid out when people retire, they were spent - and more- so current taxes paid now pay for current state pensions.

Boomers may have paid in but the money was spent and now with life expectancy increases so the need for certain levels of working population to continue paying. The whole system is not that secure.

I do wonder who raised and parented these terrible millennials that people complain about or is it just that same old generational conflict complained about as far back as the ancient greeks?

People (including me) have run out of CBB discussions for now?

[poppsywoppsy]

Originally Posted by Trip

Private pensions don't stop people claiming a state pension as they paid in for it. Sadly these contributions weren't saved and invested to be paid out when people retire, they were spent - and more- so current taxes paid now pay for current state pensions.

Boomers may have paid in but the money was spent and now with life expectancy increases so the need for certain levels of working population to continue paying. The whole system is not that secure.

I do wonder who raised and parented these terrible millennials that people complain about or is it just that same old generational conflict complained about as far back as the ancient greeks?

People (including me) have run out of CBB discussions for now?

What pension system is secure, even private, Carillion, BHS, Daily Mirror, no guarantees anymore.

How the hell did we get onto pensions

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by y.winter

Well done to him and his sister, but still not sure what it has to do with "LGBT champion", whatever that is...
Gay acceptance doesn't deserve a special prize, like not robbing or not murdering doesn't deserve a prize. This is what you would expect from people to do... Gay disapproval, on the other hand, is worth a criticism.

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[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by poppsywoppsy

Yet you are quite happy to have it only on your terms of reference

Many are unhappy about this and are viewing Shane's hijacking of the CBB entertainment programme and turning it into a Gay Rights scenario sucking the life out of it.

Everyone is equal on here and one persons opinion is just the same as another's point of view, it is called exchange of views, not sticking their oar in as even that applies both ways.

It is sticking your oar in when the pack mentality sets in and others come in the thread,not to contribute to the thread but to discuss another member's personality
and judging who that member should be with as to their perceived right or wrong crowds on here.
I am in no crowd,I am my own person.


4 people, not yourself admittedly did that today.
Just got at me,nothing to do with the thread.
That's sticking your oar in,I can't speak for Cherie as to if she welcomed that or not,however I certainly did not.

[jet]

Originally Posted by Withano

I disagree. The topic of lgbt is relevant in this series of big brother more so than any other. 2 of the finalists are lgbt, and a third has voted against their rights in parliament, of course it will be discussed by those that want to discuss it. The main issue is that some others, who dont want to discuss it will go in to each thread anyway, and be angry about it throughout. Its the same 5 or 6 people, and it is sad, it doesnt come across as 'tired of PCness', it comes across as 'agitated at the focus'. Opening threads is not compulsory, so their excuses are weak.

No, most of the people you refer to have supported gay HM's in the past if my memory serves me well - the gay HM's that go into the house and are just themselves without feeling the need to bring a soapbox in with them.
I think most of the discussion has come about because of the differing views of Shane J/Ann and Shane J seeming to push his own agenda for votes in the fashionable PC climate of today and using Ann to do it in an underhand way.

As for the 14 yr old that he brought up who would be watching and could be damaged because of Ann? If that 14 yr old were to see Shane J enjoying himself and not giving a fook what anybody thought of him as Courtney, wouldn't that give a more positive, inspiring message than any whining and gossiping about an old lady and her outdated views?

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by jet

No, most of the people you refer to have supported gay HM's in the past if my memory serves me well - the gay HM's that go into the house and are just themselves without feeling the need to bring a soapbox in with them.
I think most of the discussion has come about because of the differing views of Shane J/Ann and Shane J seeming to push his own agenda for votes in the fashionable PC climate of today and using Ann to do it in an underhand way.

As for the 14 yr old that he brought up who would be watching and could be damaged because of Ann? If that 14 yr old were to see Shane J enjoying himself and not giving a fook what anybody thought of Courtney, wouldn't that give a more positive, inspiring message than any whining and gossiping about an old lady and her outdated views?

Thaats EXACTLY what he's doing, he's using gay people to win a tv show

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

Thaats EXACTLY what he's doing, he's using gay people to win a tv show

Because he has nothing else to give , it's always that or Courtney

[Denver]

But didn't he make a gay boy fall in love with him to gain votes?

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by Adam.

But didn't he make a gay boy fall in love with him to gain votes?

It's lust and fame hogging ,it's not love .

[Twosugars]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

Thaats EXACTLY what he's doing, he's using gay people to win a tv show

And you know that how? Mind-reading?

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

I'd imagine the older generation will have paid their pensions by working their whole lives?

I think how it works though is, the money the older generation paid in, went to pay out the pensions of the people before them. So the older generation will have paid their dues, but its actually the younger generation who will be paying their pensions.

Meanwhile the younger generation is currently paying the older generations pensions, and state pension will probably be abolished by the time they are old enough to get it (or the pension age will be 100 so next to noone will get it, one of the two) so they will be paying in, but getting nothing back.

Thats my understanding of the ****ed up system anyway. I may well be wrong.

Either way the rampant ageism on this forum and elsewhere is quite disgusting. Ageism (and misogyny) seems to be the only form of prejudice thats classed as widely acceptable, and even desirable in some cases

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by Twosugars

And you know that how? Mind-reading?

Ive got 2 eyes and a brain love

[Marches]

Originally Posted by Twosugars

And you know that how? Mind-reading?

Critical thought

[Paula D]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

I think how it works though is, the money the older generation paid in, went to pay out the pensions of the people before them. So the older generation will have paid their dues, but its actually the younger generation who will be paying their pensions.

Meanwhile the younger generation is currently paying the older generations pensions, and state pension will probably be abolished by the time they are old enough to get it (or the pension age will be 100 so next to noone will get it, one of the two) so they will be paying in, but getting nothing back.

Thats my understanding of the ****ed up system anyway. I may well be wrong.

Either way the rampant ageism on this forum and elsewhere is quite disgusting. Ageism (and misogyny) seems to be the only form of prejudice thats classed as widely acceptable, and even desirable in some cases

Hear hear Vicky.

[Twosugars]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

Ive got 2 eyes and a brain love

so you can talk about present, but not about the future.
and don't call me love, that's sexist (as I was informed by Livia when I called her dear); so as much and you and I would like it, we can't be affectionate to one another in threads

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by Twosugars

so you can talk about present, but not about the future.
and don't call me love, that's sexist (as I was informed by Livia when I called her dear); so as much and you and I would like it, we can't be affectionate to one another in threads

[Twosugars]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

I know

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

I think how it works though is, the money the older generation paid in, went to pay out the pensions of the people before them. So the older generation will have paid their dues, but its actually the younger generation who will be paying their pensions.

Meanwhile the younger generation is currently paying the older generations pensions, and state pension will probably be abolished by the time they are old enough to get it (or the pension age will be 100 so next to noone will get it, one of the two) so they will be paying in, but getting nothing back.

Thats my understanding of the ****ed up system anyway. I may well be wrong.

Either way the rampant ageism on this forum and elsewhere is quite disgusting. Ageism (and misogyny) seems to be the only form of prejudice thats classed as widely acceptable, and even desirable in some cases

.

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Marches

No literally everyone you try to paint as anti gay (only really proving our point) is just sick of labels as it’s not proactive and it sets said communities back instead of pulling them forward. The fake barbie doll everyone is supporting has used these labels to win over the public and everyone has just lapped it up and not bothered thinking about his character or implications in the lgbt community whatsoever. It’s annoying to see everyone blindly support someone so manipulative and furthering this pc culture we’ve adopted recently

Nobody is trying to paint you as anti-gay. I just at one point thought that I should let you know that you, yourself (and some others) have implied that you are 'anti-gay' by continuously spouting the same ****e in every thread. Take that as you like idc. Pass your blame to elsewhere if you like, I ain't buying it. Others might buy it and accept that you do this because others are PC, but it doesn't work for me. You can take some responsibility for your own words.