[Alf]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Wrong on all accounts, again.

Facebook does not have the monopoly on debate or discussion, Robinson has a youtube channel, he could use Twitch and other streaming sites to interact with fans. There are people who aren't active on facebook that have massive followings everywhere else. Facebook isn't the only place for discussion and you're just making out that it is to fuel a silly point about censorship which has been ripped to shreds by multiple people in this thread.

You keep trying to make this about censorship although you've been blown up by multiple people in this thread who has shredded the censorship argument completely and the freedom of speech argument doesn't pan out either since his opinion hasn't been forced to change, he hasn't been thrown in prison or deprived of his rights for his opinions. He's just been banned from using someone else's platform for breaking the rules too much.

There are plenty of far right leaning people on facebook who are more prominent than he is that are still on the platform because they don't break the rules, it's not an issue of freedom of speech or censorship, it's an issue of sticking to the rules.

What part of that are you struggling to understand?

Tommy isn't far-right, if he was, the media would love him. They do try to make him out as far-rigjt, because that's what they want.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Wrong on all accounts, again.



Facebook does not have the monopoly on debate or discussion, Robinson has a youtube channel, he could use Twitch and other streaming sites to interact with fans. There are people who aren't active on facebook that have massive followings everywhere else. Facebook isn't the only place for discussion and you're just making out that it is to fuel a silly point about censorship which has been ripped to shreds by multiple people in this thread.



You keep trying to make this about censorship although you've been blown up by multiple people in this thread who has shredded the censorship argument completely and the freedom of speech argument doesn't pan out either since his opinion hasn't been forced to change, he hasn't been thrown in prison or deprived of his rights for his opinions. He's just been banned from using someone else's platform for breaking the rules too much.



There are plenty of far right leaning people on facebook who are more prominent than he is that are still on the platform because they don't break the rules, it's not an issue of freedom of speech or censorship, it's an issue of sticking to the rules.



What part of that are you struggling to understand?

To be fair, YouTube and (especially) Twitch tend to have itchy trigger fingers when it comes to bans etc. too... However, really the main point should be, if he really wanted to he could set up TommyRobinson.com and post whatever videos, blogs, etc. and allow whatever comments he wants... Because that would be his own site to do what he wants with, just like FaceBook can do whatever they want and James can do whatever he wants with Tibb .

I find it a bit bizarre when people start to think that websites belong "to the masses"... I mean, they could literally shut the whole of Facebook down tomorrow and some people would utterly kick off, perhaps understandably, but when it comes down to it, it's theirs to shut down.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Alf

But as Facebook is the biggest public square for debate in the World, things need to be changed. Because as I say, it looks like Zuckerberg is king of the World, with a monopoly on what people can and can't say.

What needs to be changed?

Facebook needs to be forced to not have rules around what they accept and do not accept on their own website?

Are you suggesting censoring their right to do what they want with their own property?

[Elliot]

Originally Posted by Alf

Tommy isn't far-right, if he was, the media would love him. They do try to make him out as far-rigjt, because that's what they want.

He’s pretty far right lol

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Elliot

He’s pretty far right lol

Not really to be honest. Similar prejudices but very different at the roots ... the usage of the term has become a bit twisted recently. His political ideologies are nowhere close to being developed enough to consider him anything "wing". His ranting is emotional and reactionary, not based on any sort of rationale, twisted or otherwise.

In short; one doesn't have to be "right wing" to be thick and racist, and Tommy is mainly the latter. He doesn't have a well thought out reasoning for why he's right; he just doesn't understand why he's wrong.

[Alf]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

What needs to be changed?

Facebook needs to be forced to not have rules around what they accept and do not accept on their own website?

Are you suggesting censoring their right to do what they want with their own property?

Let me ask you an hypothetical question.

Would you support and defend Zuckerberg and tell us he's in the right, if he said, "I dislike homosexual people, and I'm banning them all from my platform, because I can"?

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Alf

Let me ask you an hypothetical question.

Would you support and defend Zuckerberg and tell us he's in the right, if he said, "I dislike homosexual people, and I'm banning them all from my platform, because I can"?

Would I say he's right? No.

Would I say he can do whatever the **** he wants with his own website? Yes.

This over exaggerated hypothetical doesn't change the facts.

[Alf]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Would I say he's right? No.

Would I say he can do whatever the **** he wants with his own website? Yes.

This over exaggerated hypothetical doesn't change the facts.

Fair do's

I think I'd be totally against people being silenced just for being gay.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Alf

Let me ask you an hypothetical question.

Would you support and defend Zuckerberg and tell us he's in the right, if he said, "I dislike homosexual people, and I'm banning them all from my platform, because I can"?

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Would I say he's right? No.

Would I say he can do whatever the **** he wants with his own website? Yes.

This over exaggerated hypothetical doesn't change the facts.

Actually, sexuality (along with age, sex, gender, race, religion and belief, disability and pregnancy status) are protected characteristics so in that case - as a profit-making business venture - they cant just do whatever they want.

However the difference is in action vs characteristic. Religion is the easiest example use here. You can't fire (or ban) someone because of their personal religion but you CAN fire or ban someone for actively pushing their religion when your terms and conditions ask them not so do so.

Likewise, in this case, Tommy Robinson wasn't banned because of his personal beliefs - he was banned for pushing those personal beliefs in ways that the T&C's explicitly said not to.

I guess if we're trying to compare like for like with sexuality; Facebook can't ban someone "for being a homosexual" but they CAN ban someone for, say, posting homosexual erotica if the T&C's say not to do so.

In Tommy's case; personal beliefs are a protected characteristic. Sharing them in a manner that could be considered hateful is not. If he wants to do that he'll need to find another platform, or build one himself.

[The Slim Reaper]

Youtube video

[Crimson Dynamo]

great vid by some random with a TR obsession slim

I note he has like 4 vids and one is Why Shamima Begum Should Be Returned To The UK

oh and the chap calls his channel

The Cognitive Society

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

great vid by some random with a TR obsession slim

I note he has like 4 vids and one is Why Shamima Begum Should Be Returned To The UK

oh and the chap calls his channel

The Cognitive Society

Not sure what any of that has to do with the content of the video?

When your first reaction is to try and discredit the source rather than anything else, then that only speaks about you.

[Crimson Dynamo]

You need better sources

[Alf]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

Not sure what any of that has to do with the content of the video?

When your first reaction is to try and discredit the source rather than anything else, then that only speaks about you.

Does he tell any jokes in the video? If not I'm not watching.

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by Alf

Does he tell any jokes in the video? If not I'm not watching.

He did say something about Everton being a top half club...

[Alf]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

He did say something about Everton being a top half club...

I said jokes, not factual statements.

[arista]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

Youtube video

Why can this not go on BBC or ITV news?

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

He did say something about Everton being a top half club...

[Alf]

Originally Posted by arista

Why can this not go on BBC or ITV news?

They're the dinosaur media, the Legacy media. A dying breed.

YouTube and the tinternet is the future. Once the battle is won.

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by arista

Why can this not go on BBC or ITV news?

Because it is specifically about Tommy Robinson and not the BBC or ITV.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Alf

They're the dinosaur media, the Legacy media. A dying breed.

YouTube and the tinternet is the future. Once the battle is won.

SkyNewsHD
BBCnewsHD
ITVHD /Ch4NewsHD

are all on Internet feeds



The News Channels are alive and well
on every media

[arista]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

Because it is specifically about Tommy Robinson and not the BBC or ITV.

No it's because
he is a fecking no body


He does not work for the main media

[Tom4784]

Most sensible people know of how Tommy Robinson twists **** and frames things in a certain way to get clicks and attention.

It's no different to all those youtube channels that laugh all the way to the bank by telling right wing people what they want to hear by banging on about snowflakes and lefties and all that bull****. The people who subscribe to those kind of videos, that are devout when it comes to Tommy Robinson ultimately desire to be told what they want to hear whether it's the facts or not. As long as it suits their world view and it's something they want to hear, they'll believe the lies and spin.

[Alf]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Most sensible people know of how Tommy Robinson twists **** and frames things in a certain way to get clicks and attention.

It's no different to all those youtube channels that laugh all the way to the bank by telling right wing people what they want to hear by banging on about snowflakes and lefties and all that bull****. The people who subscribe to those kind of videos, that are devout when it comes to Tommy Robinson ultimately desire to be told what they want to hear whether it's the facts or not. As long as it suits their world view and it's something they want to hear, they'll believe the lies and spin.

They're just people.

[arista]

Dezzy At his arrest
There was a Court Case of Muslim Men
who groomed and raped young white girls

That was on Every news after the block on it