[Beso]

Best way I can sum this up is..

If any **** spat on my face in the street, someone would have to hold me back.

[Kizzy]

How can it be antisemitic to support Palestinians? They are semites too :/

I'm really conflicted remember the ANC and Mandela? He fought for and was considered a terrorist for years when all he wanted was freedom, fairness and rights... years from now could this be said of Hamas?

Anyone even suggesting a dialogue is vilified. How is there to be any diplomacy in the world if nobody is willing to discuss the matter?

Dress this up any way you like it's wrong, how Israel has acted and reacted is wrong, the west sitting back and ignoring this is wrong.

Violence isn't the answer however the phrase one man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter springs to mind.

When nobody is speaking and your rights have been stripped away and nobody cares what's left?

[bots]

When you have a group (hamas) whose stated aim is to wipe out all jews in the world and they are a designated terrorist organisation, how can people support them.

We all feel for the plight of the palestinian people and innocents getting caught up in it on whatever side is abhorrent.

Israel are not blameless, hamas are not blameless, but until both sides agree to stop trying to kill the other you can't expect 1 side to say ok, hit me with what you got and we will just take it. There has to be agreement, and i don't think that's likely any time soon

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

I'm really conflicted remember the ANC and Mandela? He fought for and was considered a terrorist for years when all he wanted was freedom, fairness and rights... years from now could this be said of Hamas?

Remember Bin Laden

Look at ISIS or the Taliban

years from now could this be said of Hamas?

remember Iran?

[Livia]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

When you have a group (hamas) whose stated aim is to wipe out all jews in the world and they are a designated terrorist organisation, how can people support them.

We all feel for the plight of the palestinian people and innocents getting caught up in it on whatever side is abhorrent.

Israel are not blameless, hamas are not blameless, but until both sides agree to stop trying to kill the other you can't expect 1 side to say ok, hit me with what you got and we will just take it. There has to be agreement, and i don't think that's likely any time soon

People support Hamas because they hate the Jews more. They don't even have to be Israeli, just ordinary British Jews. Rachel Riley, for instance. She's a British Jew who supports Israel and according to some kind of weird consensus, she's fair game for trolls. And the very saddest thing for me is, hate speech is fine if you're aiming it at a Jew. Because, you know... Israel.

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

When you have a group (hamas) whose stated aim is to wipe out all jews in the world and they are a designated terrorist organisation, how can people support them.

We all feel for the plight of the palestinian people and innocents getting caught up in it on whatever side is abhorrent.

Israel are not blameless, hamas are not blameless, but until both sides agree to stop trying to kill the other you can't expect 1 side to say ok, hit me with what you got and we will just take it. There has to be agreement, and i don't think that's likely any time soon

Their foundational aim was to return Palestine to Palestinians.

You can't both sides a conflict where one country has been invaded and occupied.

No one wants to answer the question about what we would expect brits to do if we were invaded, had our homes bulldozed, our children murdered, and forced to live under apartheid whilst walled in and denied basic human rights.

A coupe of years ago, folks would never have even both-sides this issue so I guess progress is slowly being made.

[bots]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

Their foundational aim was to return Palestine to Palestinians.

You can't both sides a conflict where one country has been invaded and occupied.

No one wants to answer the question about what we would expect brits to do if we were invaded, had our homes bulldozed, our children murdered, and forced to live under apartheid whilst walled in and denied basic human rights.

A coupe of years ago, folks would never have even both-sides this issue so I guess progress is slowly being made.

One country tries to protect itself in a swap of hostile enemies actually

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

One country tries to protect itself in a swap of hostile enemies actually

Can you expand on this as I'm not 100% sure what you mean.

[The Slim Reaper]

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

One country tries to protect itself in a swap of hostile enemies actually

yep

how are they protect themselves from Iran addled terrorists

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Remember Bin Laden

Look at ISIS or the Taliban

years from now could this be said of Hamas?

remember Iran?

There was some interaction in the 80s and 90s with the taliban wasn't there by the UK and US?

It is apparent that peace, tolerance and human rights wasnt high on their list of demands.

[arista]

Yes Slim they have lost alot of Land
Since 1946.


That changes nothing in this Fight.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by arista

Yes Slim they have lost alot of Land
Since 1946.


That changes nothing in this Fight.

Why... that's the whole reason for the fight, what do you think they are fighting for, fun?

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Why... that's the whole reason for the fight, what do you think they are fighting for, fun?

It's truly bizarre isn't it?


Good to see you around.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by arista

Yes Slim they have lost alot of Land
Since 1946.


That changes nothing in this Fight.

There are lots and lots of land disputes in the world - China shares borders with 14 countries and has a territorial dispute with all of them


And lest we forget when we are worrying about the people of Palestine why Israel was created in 1948.....

[arista]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Why... that's the whole reason for the fight, what do you think they are fighting for, fun?

Yes but Israel
is not going to change.


The Protection Iron Dome System
is Funded by USA Joe Biden.

[The Slim Reaper]

apartheid is not a land dispute, as well you know. it's amazing how one side of this thread talks about specifics, and another talks in nonsensical generalisations.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

apartheid is not a land dispute, as well you know. it's amazing how one side of this thread talks about specifics, and another talks in nonsensical generalisations.

I am afraid propaganda masquerading as fact as that helps noone

---------------





The charge of apartheid is the new blood libel.

As Hamas rains rockets down on Israel, members of the Squad in Congress and
other left-wing enemies are using the occasion to amplify their accusation that
Israel is an “apartheid state.”


This is a transparent attempt to delegitimize — and isolate and ultimately
destroy — the Jewish state by associating it with a racist regime that the world
united to squeeze out of existence.

It doesn’t take much moral discernment to understand, even if one takes a
harshly critical view of how Israel conducts itself, that it is nothing like an
apartheid regime in South Africa that depended on a rigorously enforced
system of racial repression.

The Arab minority in Israel (about 20 percent of the population) may face
obstacles, but it is not treated like black South Africans were.

Israel is a democracy that affords its Arab citizens full rights. They vote in
elections, and Arab parties sit in parliament. These parties obviously have a
profoundly different worldview than the Zionist parties, which has been a
barrier preventing cooperation between them.

Arab Israelis are full participants in Israeli society. There are Arab justices on
the Supreme Court. About 20 percent of doctors in Israel and about half of
pharmacists are Arab. Roughly 17 percent of students seeking an
undergraduate degree are Arab, a number that has roughly doubled over the
past decade.

As Steve Kramer of the Times of Israel puts it, “They arguably are the most
free Arabs in the Middle East.”

https://www.nationalreview.com/2021/...state/#slide-1

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by arista

Yes but Israel
is not going to change.


The Protection Iron Dome System
is Funded by USA Joe Biden.

If the west is complicit then we have blood on our hands too.

Listened to a debate recently where it was brought up the fact that British Muslims are expected to voice condemnation of attacks, we've seen that echoed on this forum too.
And we have seen that condemnation in marches across many major British cities.

Now I'm not saying that the Jewish community should do this, however a comparison can now be drawn. Is that something that may happen?

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

But you are parroting the propaganda from the Terror group Hamas?

If you can't tell the difference between basic empathy for the plight of innocent people and supporting terrorism then that's your own failure and your own ignorance.

[arista]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

apartheid is not a land dispute, as well you know. it's amazing how one side of this thread talks about specifics, and another talks in nonsensical generalisations.

Be Realistic


HAMAS are the Problem

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

I am afraid propaganda masquerading as fact as that helps noone

---------------





The charge of apartheid is the new blood libel.

As Hamas rains rockets down on Israel, members of the Squad in Congress and
other left-wing enemies are using the occasion to amplify their accusation that
Israel is an “apartheid state.”


This is a transparent attempt to delegitimize — and isolate and ultimately
destroy — the Jewish state by associating it with a racist regime that the world
united to squeeze out of existence.

It doesn’t take much moral discernment to understand, even if one takes a
harshly critical view of how Israel conducts itself, that it is nothing like an
apartheid regime in South Africa that depended on a rigorously enforced
system of racial repression.

The Arab minority in Israel (about 20 percent of the population) may face
obstacles, but it is not treated like black South Africans were.

Israel is a democracy that affords its Arab citizens full rights. They vote in
elections, and Arab parties sit in parliament. These parties obviously have a
profoundly different worldview than the Zionist parties, which has been a
barrier preventing cooperation between them.

Arab Israelis are full participants in Israeli society. There are Arab justices on
the Supreme Court. About 20 percent of doctors in Israel and about half of
pharmacists are Arab. Roughly 17 percent of students seeking an
undergraduate degree are Arab, a number that has roughly doubled over the
past decade.

As Steve Kramer of the Times of Israel puts it, “They arguably are the most
free Arabs in the Middle East.”

https://www.nationalreview.com/2021/...state/#slide-1

So all facts have to come from American media outlets now?

Define 'Ethnic cleansing'. And tell me that's not what is happening here.

[Beso]

All buildings attacked by Israel in retaliation to the random rocket attacks on its citizens were given notice to evacuate by the Israelis.....even the ones containing hamas operatives.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

When you have a group (hamas) whose stated aim is to wipe out all jews in the world and they are a designated terrorist organisation, how can people support them.

We all feel for the plight of the palestinian people and innocents getting caught up in it on whatever side is abhorrent.

Israel are not blameless, hamas are not blameless, but until both sides agree to stop trying to kill the other you can't expect 1 side to say ok, hit me with what you got and we will just take it. There has to be agreement, and i don't think that's likely any time soon

Who is supporting them? Go on, be less vague.

Also if you think Hamas = Palestine then you don't understand this situation at all and you really should go fix your ignorance on the issue.

You're basically confusing a terrorist group for a nation and then making out that the group's actions make the frequent human rights abuse of palestinians an acceptable response. That Apartheid is an acceptable response, that going out and executing civilians is an acceptable response and displacing others and spitting in their face is an acceptable response.

It's ****ing not, I cannot stand how people are so accepting of human rights abuse and war crimes.

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

I am afraid propaganda masquerading as fact as that helps noone

---------------





The charge of apartheid is the new blood libel.

As Hamas rains rockets down on Israel, members of the Squad in Congress and
other left-wing enemies are using the occasion to amplify their accusation that
Israel is an “apartheid state.”


This is a transparent attempt to delegitimize — and isolate and ultimately
destroy — the Jewish state by associating it with a racist regime that the world
united to squeeze out of existence.

It doesn’t take much moral discernment to understand, even if one takes a
harshly critical view of how Israel conducts itself, that it is nothing like an
apartheid regime in South Africa that depended on a rigorously enforced
system of racial repression.

The Arab minority in Israel (about 20 percent of the population) may face
obstacles, but it is not treated like black South Africans were.

Israel is a democracy that affords its Arab citizens full rights. They vote in
elections, and Arab parties sit in parliament. These parties obviously have a
profoundly different worldview than the Zionist parties, which has been a
barrier preventing cooperation between them.

Arab Israelis are full participants in Israeli society. There are Arab justices on
the Supreme Court. About 20 percent of doctors in Israel and about half of
pharmacists are Arab. Roughly 17 percent of students seeking an
undergraduate degree are Arab, a number that has roughly doubled over the
past decade.

As Steve Kramer of the Times of Israel puts it, “They arguably are the most
free Arabs in the Middle East.”

https://www.nationalreview.com/2021/...state/#slide-1

The UN calls Israel an apartheid state as do Jewish Israeli human rights groups, so forgive me if I don't equate the truth with the belief of medieval superstitious white Christians, that the Jews wanted to consume their children.