[Livia]

Originally Posted by Black Dagger

If she doesn’t want to get in the face then she shouldn’t box. Just like I’m not going to try and do the Tour de France because I can’t ride a bike.

She has taken it in the face from women boxers... You disrespect of this woman speaks volumes.

[Black Dagger]

Originally Posted by Livia

She has taken it in the face from women boxers... You disrespect of this woman speaks volumes.

And took one yesterday as well

[Oliver_W]

So is this person actually trans or what?

[Black Dagger]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

So is this person actually trans or what?

No. But don’t let that stop people in here desperate for her to be so they can be outraged and appalled!!

[Glenn.]

Again. Not a man

[Cherie]

I find it interesting that people who have never boxed are calling this lady a cry baby, she has fought for years and reached Olympic standard and I think we shouldn't dismiss her concerns for her safety but some people are, I would put it on a par with putting a fly weight against a heavy weight in boxing terms, there was a reason Imane Khelif was banned from the World Championships, she didn't dispute it either so we cannot just brush that aside, the IOCs policy of just accepting what is on your passport is flawed

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Glenn.

Again. Not a man

It's a very complicated one because of various laws and quirks here though. This is someone who was born with ambiguous genitalia and incorrectly assigned female at birth (we don't like that, right?) in a country where being trans is not legal. They then went on to go through male puberty, and it has transpired that they are hormonally and biologically male. But their country doesn't allow that so their legal documentation will always state that they were born female.

There's an element of "having your cake and eating it too" here I suspect. You're arguing that this individual who was born with ambiguous genitalia but later clearly started to present physically as male and this has been confirmed chromosomally, is still female because that's what they were assigned in the hospital at birth, and this can't legally be changed. At the same time, it's argued that gender has nothing to do with sex assigned at birth. You have to pick? Which is it?

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Soldier Boy

It's a very complicated one because of various laws and quirks here though. This is someone who was born with ambiguous genitalia and incorrectly assigned female at birth (we don't like that, right?) in a country where being trans is not legal. They then went on to go through male puberty, and it has transpired that they are hormonally and biologically male. But their country doesn't allow that so their legal documentation will always state that they were born female.

There's an element of "having your cake and eating it too" here I suspect. You're arguing that this individual who was born with ambiguous genitalia but later clearly started to present physically as male and this has been confirmed chromosomally, is still female because that's what they were assigned in the hospital at birth, and this can't legally be changed. At the same time, it's argued that gender has nothing to do with sex assigned at birth. You have to pick? Which is it?

A fast moving thread, maybe I missed the response to this?

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Glenn.

Again. Not a man

Originally Posted by Soldier Boy

It's a very complicated one because of various laws and quirks here though. This is someone who was born with ambiguous genitalia and incorrectly assigned female at birth (we don't like that, right?) in a country where being trans is not legal. They then went on to go through male puberty, and it has transpired that they are hormonally and biologically male. But their country doesn't allow that so their legal documentation will always state that they were born female.

There's an element of "having your cake and eating it too" here I suspect. You're arguing that this individual who was born with ambiguous genitalia but later clearly started to present physically as male and this has been confirmed chromosomally, is still female because that's what they were assigned in the hospital at birth, and this can't legally be changed. At the same time, it's argued that gender has nothing to do with sex assigned at birth. You have to pick? Which is it?

I see in the race to the bottom this did not get replied to?

[Glenn.]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

I see in the race to the bottom this did not get replied to?

Well she was assigned female and raised as a female. Can’t anyone read on this site?

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Glenn.

Well she was assigned female and raised as a female. Can’t anyone read on this site?

And she has the Y chromosome. Google it. See what it means.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Glenn.

Well she was assigned female and raised as a female. Can’t anyone read on this site?

You don't think the legal and cultural components of the country she's from are in any way relevant or important here? She was assigned female and thus raised female because once assigned female, there was no option but to do so. Like I said the waters have been badly muddied for actual intersex individuals - which is an extremely rare condition - by the insistence that it's in some way related to transgenderism (which it isn't).

In short this is a rare case where someone has indeed been born female and raised female but is in fact biologically male and thus has the sporting advantages that come with male puberty. Biologically female people can gain those advantages, with combinations of drugs and hormones - but this would not be allowed in almost all sports.

So the question has nothing to do with the usual trans debate and is a totally separate one surrounding what might or might not be considered an unfair competitive advantage for people who are genuinely intersex, a totally valid and probably important discussion, but totally lost in base gender politics.

[Oliver_W]

I'm not going to say I'm "glad" someone has an intersex condition, but I am glad that it's not a cis woman who's being called a man and trans by basically the entire internet.

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

I'm not going to say I'm "glad" someone has an intersex condition, but I am glad that it's not a cis woman who's being called a man and trans by basically the entire internet.

…but isn’t that so much how it is…she’s a cis women with high levels of testosterone and none of this is her fault…she’s won convincingly yesterday but she’s also lost convincingly in previous Olympics to fellow cis women…so it’s not really clear atm if she has testosterone levels that would give her an advantage over any other cis woman…

[Beso]

It takes a lot of balls to box in womens boxing these days. That italian was very brave.

[Livia]

It's worrying that most of the gay blokes in this thread clearly hate biological women and go out of their way to make it clear.. Your hate is noted. Your mothers and sisters must be so proud.

[Glenn.]

Originally Posted by Livia

It's worrying that most of the gay blokes in this thread clearly hate biological women and go out of their way to make it clear.. Your hate is noted. Your mothers and sisters must be so proud.

You’re so unnecessarily dramatic. There’s also straight guys in here that have defended a man actually beating his girlfriend.

Calm yourself down

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Glenn.

You’re so unnecessarily dramatic. There’s also straight guys in here that have defended a man actually beating his girlfriend.

Calm yourself down

I'm worried about non biological women being allowed to injure biological women while a chorus of gays cheer them on. Regarding a straight man beating his girlfriend... You're making that up, or show me where that happened and went unchallenged.

"Calm yourself down" is clearly meant to bait and so I'm ignoring it. You may have XY chromosomes, like the Algerian boxer, but you didn't get to tell me what to do.

[Glenn.]

Originally Posted by Livia

I'm worried about non biological women being allowed to injure biological women while a chorus of gays cheer them on. Regarding a straight man beating his girlfriend... You're making that up, or show me where that happened and went unchallenged.

"Calm yourself down" is clearly meant to bait and so I'm ignoring it. You may have XY chromosomes, like the Algerian boxer, but you didn't get to tell me what to do.

Here you go

Originally Posted by Cherie

This guy won by 98 votes

A newly elected Reform MP said he was “deeply sorry” after it emerged he had spent a week in a young offenders institution nearly 20 years ago for assaulting a former girlfriend.

James McMurdock, who won the South Basildon and East Thurrock seat at the general election by just 98 votes from Labour, admitted the incident and said it had happened on a drunken night out.

The Daily Mail, which first revealed the details, said it had spoken to the victim’s mother, who said Mr McMurdock had “left marks” on her daughter’s body.

In a statement, Mr McMurdock said: “This is the biggest regret of my life and I wish I could go back and fix things.”

'Law breakers can't be law makers'
Reform returned five MPs at the general election. The most high-profile was Nigel Farage, who won in Clacton, but little was known about Mr McMurdock, who was described by his leader as a “paper candidate” who had joined the party only in May.

Rival parties said Mr McMurdock, 38, should have explained his past to the electorate before polling day.

Gavin Callaghan, the Labour leader of Basildon Borough Council, posted on X: “Law breakers can’t be law makers. This is a deeply disturbing story about our new MP in South Basildon and East Thurrock.

“If Reform UK knew about his criminal record before the election, why were they not honest about this with the public?”

According to the Daily Mail, Mr McMurdock pleaded guilty to one count of assault at Chelmsford Crown Court. He was working as a barman at the time.

In the report, the woman’s mother said there was “no way he should be an MP”.

Reform told the newspaper it was aware of the conviction but “believe strongly that people can change their lives”.



https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cn083wy3e7po

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

He is an inspiration to all lags that you can turn your life around for the better

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

He served his time and has moved on and up with his life. Get a grip and stop wading in muddy culture war puddles 24/7

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

He pushed someone like 20 years ago

stop ranting and leave my family out of it

Originally Posted by parmnion

Never judge the man, judge his actions.

Hes done his time and done the crime. No excuses, and he will have to live with it. I'm assuming after all these years the girlfriend has moved on and is bow with a better man, and over the memory.

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

No one beat a wife

If you are here to troll around looking to cause discord at least have some basic facts

Jesus wept

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

he pushed over a girl when they were having a drunk row outside when he was a young lad, he served his time repented and went on to make something of his life which is to be greatly applauded

I know you and glen are desperate for it to be more for some perverse reason but that is what happened

and frankly using an assault like this to try and score points in your imaginary culture war is just incredibly petty - have you both not better things to do with your day?

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

He did not beat up a girl and your constant lying about what happened is beneath you


pathetic SB, away to your bed as you are coming across as a right dick

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Glenn.

Here you go

Oh THIS is your "evidence"? LOL... yes, this is exactly the same thing.

[Benjamin]

Originally Posted by Livia

It's worrying that most of the gay blokes in this thread clearly hate biological women and go out of their way to make it clear.. Your hate is noted. Your mothers and sisters must be so proud.

Most but not all.

I agree biological women should only be contending in female sports. I personally believe there should be a third category for those wishing to compete.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Benjamin

Most but not all.

I agree biological women should only be contending in female sports. I personally believe there should be a third category for those wishing to compete.

I didn't say all, and yes, make a third category, great idea.

Good to see you.

[Benjamin]

Originally Posted by Livia

I didn't say all, and yes, make a third category, great idea.

Good to see you.

Good to see you too.

[Black Dagger]

Originally Posted by Livia

It's worrying that most of the gay blokes in this thread clearly hate biological women and go out of their way to make it clear.. Your hate is noted. Your mothers and sisters must be so proud.

You really are just tediously insulting and predictable

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Black Dagger

You really are just tediously insulting and predictable

You clearly haven't read some of the insulting stuff I've responded to. Have you anything to say on the actual topic? Probably not...