[Sticks]

Some disagreement over interpretation of the blood / DNA evidence in the car between the Portuguese police and the British press.

In the Daily star more criticism of the Portuguese police by a service British policie officer over their handling of the investigation.

[Sunny_01]

From Sky News

Madeleine DNA 'Match' To Parents' Car
Updated: 11:14, Tuesday September 11, 2007

Files containing "damning" evidence against the parents of Madeleine McCann will be given to the public prosecutor later, according to Sky sources.

McCanns arrive back in UKThe sources say that scientists have found a full DNA match to Madeleine in the boot of a car hired by Kate and Gerry McCann after their daughter went missing.

Mr and Mrs McCann are at home in Rothley, Leicestershire, after police named them as suspects in their daughter's disappearance on May 3 in the Algarve.

"Police say it is the most damning evidence that has been returned by the tests," Sky's Crime Correspondent Martin Brunt said.

Police spokesman Olegario de Sousa said it was "agreed with the prosecutor" that the file would be handed over early today.

A spokeswoman for the prosecutor in Lisbon said a statement would be issued later regarding the investigation.

However Alipio Ribeiro, head of the investigative Policia Judiciaria, suggested the forensic tests had not been conclusive.

He told Portuguese state broadcaster RTP: "We can't say with certainty whether it was the blood of person A or person B."

The report is expected to include interviews with the McCanns and details of forensic evidence from various sites in the Praia da Luz resort where Madeleine vanished on a family holiday.

"The prosecutor will then have to decide whether he has enough evidence to charge the McCanns or whether the police need to carry out more inquiries or gather more evidence," Mr De Sousa said.

He would not discuss details of the evidence, in accordance with Portugal's secrecy laws in criminal investigations.

Family spokesman Brian Kennedy, who is Madeleine's great uncle, said of the family: "They are holding up extremely well."

[spacebandit]

Originally posted by Sticks
Some disagreement over interpretation of the blood / DNA evidence in the car between the Portuguese police and the British press.

In the Daily star more criticism of the Portuguese police by a service British policie officer over their handling of the investigation.

thats why they came back home - the tame press.

They were going to stay....etc etc, within 24 hours both being made suspects they were on a plane

the British press wants them exonerated regardless of what the actual evidence is, because until they are they can't buy their story.

the press has decided the outcome - I don't know how that sits with you, but in my world the police make a decision about the way forward and the outcome is decided by judge and jury - not a newspaper editor, or a politician whoring for friendly column inches

[bananarama]

Just heard that the police are handing over to a judge for a decision. Not sure what that means as the prosecuters have not had time to read the files yet.......

May not be true but a suggestion is coming out that the DNA could be from body fluids. Body fluids as a result of corpse decay........If that be the truth then things do not look good for the McCann's

[Sticks]

The truth will find you out

[Sticks]

From Sky News

Meanwhile, bodily fluids - not blood - matching Madeleine McCann's DNA have been found in the car hired by her parents, according to sources.

The sample was taken from the boot, where the spare tyre is kept.

It had an 88% match with the missing four-year-old's DNA, sources said.

Police searching the car also found so much of Madeleine's hair that it could not have been transferred from a blanket or clothes.

It must have come directly from her body, sources said.

The information came from senior sources in the investigation who briefed Portuguese journalists.

Yup, looks like her own parents killed her and tried to play us all for fools

If this post goes over the line in terms of libel, let me know and I will remove it.

[Jackie]

I really do hope they are not resposible for the dissapearance of their daughter maddie all along i do not think theyve any connection to this awfull case but if they are guilty i for one will be sending them a letter along with millions of others.

[Sticks]

It seems that more evidence that they killed Madeline keeps coming to light every day. You have to follow the evidence, not what you would wish.

[bananarama]

The devil will still be in the detail. Let's not have a kangaroo court here.....

[bananarama]

DNA alone is may not be enough for a conviction. The police have to fill a lot of holes in their theory.

1. They need a body.

2. They need to prove that the hire car was not used by an abducter 25 days before the Mc'Cannns hired it and coincidentally the Mc'Canns hired the same car.

3. They need to establish why the Mc'Canns felt the need to move a body that had failed to be found after weeks of searching..A bit of a counter productive thing to risk if searches had drawn a blank

4. They need to establish where the body was for 25 days

5 They need to establish how they removed the body while in the glare of the media and police..

This story is far from cut and dried.....

[Sunny_01]

the evidence "appears" to be mounting BUT lets see

Like Bananrama says we need to be careful with this, there are still an awful lot of unanswered questions out there

[Sticks]

The hair evidence has to be one of the modt condemming pieces of evidence.

Apparently, according to media reports, one of the false sightings in Morroco was from a Brit who lives not far from the McCanns.

So maybe that is how they distracted the media attention whilst the moved the body from where the probably hid it.

[Sticks]

Addendum, sniffer dogs found the scent of death on a beach, possibly due to the body being dumped in the sea, according to media reports.

[Sunny_01]

From www.sky.com/news

'Mystery Object' In Madeleine Case
Updated: 09:03, Wednesday September 12, 2007

The public prosecutor in the Madeleine McCann case is asking for emergency powers to seize a "mystery object", Sky News can reveal.

Gerry and Kate McCannIt is not known what or where the object is.

A Portuguese judge is now deciding whether or not to grant the order.

Sky News Crime Correspondent Martin Brunt said: "The prosecution has asked the judge for an emergency order to give them permission to go and seize it."

Under Portuguese law, a judge's permission would only be needed if the object is in a place "normally off-limits to police", said Sky News' Andrew Wilson.

This could include a church or other place of worship, or a solicitor's office.

Police are planning new searches in Praia da Luz, where Madeleine went missing, including digging around the village church of Nossa Senhora da Luz, according to Portuguese newspapers.


The church in Praia da LuzPolice spokesman Chief Inspector Olegario Sousa refused to confirm or deny the reports.

It is known Kate and Gerry McCann, both 39-year-old doctors, were given a key to the church so they could go and pray for their daughter any time they wanted.

There is no sign yet of any searches being carried out at the church, which still has yellow and green Madeleine ribbons on the pews and altar.

Sky News Online's Kate Sullivan, who flew back from Portugal with the McCanns, said: "It's a small, well-tended church just up from the beach.

"But around the back there's a fenced-off building site area. The ground's been dug up and workmen are laying foundations."


Madeleine vanished on May 3The judge is also sifting through a 1,000-page dossier as Madeleine's parents face an agonising wait to learn if they will be charged over her disappearance.

He has 10 days to consider its contents.

It is not known if prosecutor Jose Cunha de Magalhaes e Meneses is recommending charging Kate and Gerry McCann over their daughter's disappearance.

It is more likely he wants to carry out fresh searches, conduct more interviews, or impose stricter bail conditions.

Mr and Mrs McCann were declared "arguidos", or formal suspects, in the case during police questioning in Portimao last Friday.

They flew out of the country to their home in Rothley, Leicestershire, two days later.

Mr McCann's sister, Philomena McCann, said the handing of the files to the judge changes nothing as far as her family is concerned.

"That was expected - it doesn't change a thing," she said. "We will have to wait and see if they are bringing charges or not."

[Amy]

Originally posted by jackie46
I really do hope they are not resposible for the dissapearance of their daughter maddie all along i do not think theyve any connection to this awfull case but if they are guilty i for one will be sending them a letter along with millions of others.

Many on here dislike me and think I'm a madam... and this will prove to those fans more reason to hate me.. but I've always said that it could have been the parents.

We skirt around the issue that they actually left these kids alone, no matter how far away or how sorry they may feel for leaving them ... they left not one but THREE kids alone. What is more shocking, to me, is that there was babysitting facility on site! Why not use that then?

I always say this.. would you leave your kids on their own at such a young age? No matter how far you are away from them? How do you know they are not killing themselves with things around the apartment?

I could sit for hours and give reasons to why I have always thought they could have done it. I could also sit and give reasons to why i think, in some respects, they may well not.

[Sunny_01]

No Amy you are only saying what many of us said quite forcefully in the early days. I also questioned why they would leave their children unattended, I know I certainly wouldnt.

I have taken family holidays abroad for many years and not once have I left my children in the hotel room while I swan off and enjoy a meal in peace.

There is no reason why people should not suspect them, the evidence is piling up. My hubby has suspected them from very early in the case, he could not understand how they would choose to fly off to meet the pope leaving 2 young children who had already lost their big sister and go meet important people. He felt they have always been hard faced about it and lacking in emotion.

So dont think people are going to jump on you, all you have done is said what many people are already thinking.

[Sunny_01]

Latest on www.sky.com/news

'We Won't Spend Madeleine Cash'
Updated: 12:10, Wednesday September 12, 2007

Kate and Gerry McCann say they will not use cash from the Find Madeleine campaign to fund their legal defence.

Madeleine fund raised over Ł1mThe news came as trustees of the fund - which has raised more than Ł1m - were due to hold a special meeting this afternoon.

They will decide whether the money can be used for the couple's legal bills.

The cash was pledged to help find the missing four-year-old, and there are legal questions over whether it can be used to help the parents.

The couple have appointed lawyers after being named as suspects in Madeleine's disappearance in Portugal on May 3.

The Missing Madeleine website says one of the objectives of the fund is to "provide support, including financial assistance, to Madeleine's family."

Esther McVey, a director of the Madeleine Fund, confirmed she and the other five directors are meeting this afternoon.

"What we are discussing is what does 'support' mean," she explained. "This is the only thing on the agenda and this is a special meeting."

[Sunny_01]

I cant believe that they even considered using public money to pay for their defence and that the trustees are meeting to discuss this.

I think that everyone who donated to this trust could ask for the return of their money if it is going to be used in this way.

[gracie24]

It's like when they were going to sue one of the Portuguese papers, the only place they could have got the money from for that was the funds that have been raised.

Surely if they're charged with the murder or accidental murder they should be charged for fraud too for using the public's money for different things.

[Sunny_01]

I agree gracie, but the good thing is according to a statement from a family member they have no plans to use any trust money to fund their defence.

[~Kizwiz~]

I should hope not....... people didnt give money to the cause so they could sue a paper..... thats fraud

[bananarama]

Originally posted by Sticks
The hair evidence has to be one of the modt condemming pieces of evidence.

Apparently, according to media reports, one of the false sightings in Morroco was from a Brit who lives not far from the McCanns.

So maybe that is how they distracted the media attention whilst the moved the body from where the probably hid it.

I doubt it. Hair can come from a secondary source. It also needs to have the roots. Blood or fluids however would be condemming. Assuming it is not as a result of the abductor hiring the car before the Mc'Canns. Prosecuters need to be able to prove that could not be the case.

Haven't seen it mentioned yet on here but the mystery object the portuguese police want is Kate Mc'Canns diary....

[gracie24]

Sky news: Fund will not pay McCann's legal defence costs

[bananarama]

They have decided not to but could legally do so if they wished. Other donations are being offered for the Mc'Canns legal expenses but that would require a seperate fund.

It was stated that at no time have the Mc'Canns asked for legal funding from existing donations.....

[gracie24]

They did say that if the funds were used for the legal defence costs, the McCanns would have to pay what money was used back if they were found guilty.