[Magic]

Originally posted by Callum
I am individual Magic but I'd rather not be seen in public with rubbish in my hand.

So, yeah, you are all about Image.

[Shaun]

Originally posted by Legend

Honestly? Yes. Why should I treat the area any better than the people who live in it? I don't purposely set out to drop some litter ... I hardly keep a tally of how many wrappers I throw to try and beat it weekly, but I do throw wrappers if there is no bin in sight because everybody else does, my wrapper won't make a difference as the area is a $hit hole as it is.

I understand that - since everybody unintentionally throws things away...like chewing gum or a little sweet wrapper.

But I don't understand the mentality where your rubbish makes no difference. Because it does, it's the act of everybody's neglect...and should you choose to not be so neglecting, then although there would be little change, it's at least something. It doesn't excuse laziness.

[Magic]

Originally posted by Chewy

I saw your village (the piccie) its tiny, so your home is not far away from any shops ect.

My home is far away from shops, the nearest being about 15 minutes drive, the motorway services.

[~Kizwiz~]

Originally posted by Callum
I am individual Magic but I'd rather not be seen in public with rubbish in my hand.

Ok.... so let me get this straight, if you say have a can of something to drink or maybe a bag of crisps..... and you dont want to carry that 'filth' around with you. But havent you just eaten or drunk out of that 'filth'???

It just doesnt add up to me

[Scarlett.]

Originally posted by Magic

My home is far away from shops, the nearest being about 15 minutes drive, the motorway services.

So basically you dont have to walk between the shop and your house

[Legend]

Originally posted by Shaun

I understand that - since everybody unintentionally throws things away...like chewing gum or a little sweet wrapper.

But I don't understand the mentality where your rubbish makes no difference. Because it does, it's the act of everybody's neglect...and should you choose to not be so neglecting, then although there would be little change, it's at least something. It doesn't excuse laziness.

So you throw chewing gum and little sweet wrappers away? If you do then your whole argument to me is very hypocritical ... it's not the size of the wrapper that counts, it's what you do with it.

Also, I've not once said it excuses my laziness, I've said enough times that it is a lazy, boneidle thing to do.

"it's at least something"

Like it matters. It will all pile up again if you give it 5 minutes.

[Shaun]

Originally posted by Legend

So you throw chewing gum and little sweet wrappers away? If you do then your whole argument to me is very hypocritical ... it's not the size of the wrapper that counts, it's what you do with it.

Also, I've not once said it excuses my laziness, I've said enough times that it is a lazy, boneidle thing to do.

"it's at least something"

Like it matters. It will all pile up again if you give it 5 minutes.

Well no, since, as I said, that's unintentional and everybody does unintentionally sometimes. But you've said up there that you throw away if there's not a bin within sight...which suggests you look around and then intentionally throw it away.

And lol @ the size doesn't matter reference

[Dr43%er]

"I understand that - since everybody unintentionally throws things away" I don't.

Kiz, you really don't get it do you. The second that full hygienic can becomes empty a reaction takes place that makes it the most vile uncool thing to be seen with.
Can you not tell the difference between a full can and an empty one? I can. I mock people with empty cans. Especially if they have cold hands.

[Magic]

Originally posted by Chewy

So basically you dont have to walk between the shop and your house

No, but I have rubbish from my house, or I am in town I always put it in a bin, never just drop it for some other person to sort out.

[Callum]

But Magic some people are payed to pick up rubbish.

[Magic]

Originally posted by Callum
But Magic some people are payed to pick up rubbish.

Like i said before, thats just a excuse. The 'guilt free' card.
When they could be paid to do other jobs, yeah.

[Scarlett.]

Originally posted by Magic

Like i said before, thats just a excuse. The 'guilt free' card.
When they could be paid to do other jobs, yeah.

Great idea! forget about the people who are supporting their familys! just make them redundant and send the unemployment rates up!

[~Kizwiz~]

Originally posted by Dr43%er
"I understand that - since everybody unintentionally throws things away" I don't.

Kiz, you really don't get it do you. The second that full hygienic can becomes empty a reaction takes place that makes it the most vile uncool thing to be seen with.
Can you not tell the difference between a full can and an empty one? I can. I mock people with empty cans. Especially if they have cold hands.

Ohhhh silly me!!!! So that half drunk bottle of lemonade I have in my fridge is rotten??

ewwwwww

Originally posted by Callum
But Magic some people are payed to pick up rubbish.

But that doesnt make it right???

By that logic if a hitman is hired to kill someone....... that makes it ok

On second thoughts... I know some of you arent responsible for your house hold bills but council tax is a hefty charge that all adults have to pay. Some of that tax pays for people to clean the streets..... think of how much money we could all avoid paying if we didnt drop so much litter

[Scarlett.]

Why does the other side of the arguement keep comparing dropping rubbish to murder

Hitmen and street cleaners are two different sort of people

[Jack]

Originally posted by Chewy
Why does the other side of the arguement keep comparing dropping rubbish to murder

Hitmen and street cleaners are two different sort of people

It's an analogy, it's not a literal comparison between the two - it's a comparison to the principle/logic behind it.

[Scarlett.]

its a stupid comparison, they are two opposite things, try finding better examples

[Jack]

Originally posted by Chewy
its a stupid comparison, they are two opposite things, try finding better examples

I don't think yuou understand what an analogy is.

[Scarlett.]

Logic behind murder - Hatred, motivation for revenge or heat of the moment

Logic behind litter dropping - Cold hands, no bins in sight

[Jack]

Originally posted by Chewy
Logic behind murder - Hatred, motivation for revenge or heat of the moment

Logic behind litter dropping - Cold hands, no bins in sight

Again you're missing the point. I was not comparing the acts of murder and littering. Callum said he has a right to drop litter because he has free will. If everyone had the attitude then that means people have the right to go around assaulting people because it's "free will". Of course the comparison is an extreme but that's what is usually used in an analogy to exaggerate the point.

[Scarlett.]

Anywho we all do our best not to drop litter but sometimes we drop it

[Captain.Remy]

One thing I found funny (or not but at the moment it was), it was in the London tube, on the evening and people got magazines. They read it in the tube and drop then on the seats. I was with an english friend and I told him "But they can't do that, there are magazines everywhere, why do they drop them ?" and this one told me "Well they drop it because an other guy will come and read it so it's like if they give it". It seemed weird lol

[~Kizwiz~]

Originally posted by Chewy
its a stupid comparison, they are two opposite things, try finding better examples

Are you saying my point or post is stupid? Because we can go down that road if you want to.

Ok.... lets put it another way, some is paid to steal from a jewelers or someone is paid to keep them safe (ie, protection money)

Are any of those right..... because they are all paid to do a job arent they?

[Scarlett.]

Originally posted by ~kizwiz~

Are you saying my point or post is stupid? Because we can go down that road if you want to.

Ok.... lets put it another way, some is paid to steal from a jewelers or someone is paid to keep them safe (ie, protection money)

Are any of those right..... because they are all paid to do a job arent they?

Your point isnt stupid, its just the example you used, anyway thanks to Jack I understand it now

[~Kizwiz~]

If everyone dropped litter

[Red Moon]

People that repeatedly drop litter should be given antisocial behavior orders and if they carry on dropping litter they should be given community service picking the stuff up!