[Christmas Dynasnow]

pathetic but if it makes them feel important and crucially they have the content they want for the socials...

[Scarlett.]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

pathetic but if it makes them feel important and crucially they have the content they want for the socials...

I wonder if you had the same attitude when the statue of Saddam was pulled down?


History isnt static, just because a statue exists, doesn't mean it should remain, there is a lot of historic significance in a statue being brought down.

[Liam-]

All statues commemorating well known racists should be pulled down and knelt on, make a proper statement across the world

[Fetch The Bolt Cutters]

[Fetch The Bolt Cutters]

Oh i didn’t see it’d already been posted ignore me

[arista]

Originally Posted by Fetch The Bolt Cutters

Oh i didn’t see it’d already been posted ignore me

Nice to see you on Serious Debates
Scott.

Eddie was a Hard Worker


[He was apprenticed to the Mercers Company
for eight years and by 1672 was shipping goods from London.
He built up a lucrative business, trading cloth, oil,
wine, sherry and fruit with Spain,
Portugal, Italy and Africa.
In 1680, Colston became a member
of the Royal African Company,
which had held the monopoly in England
on trading along the West coast of Africa in gold,
silver, ivory and slaves from 1662.
Colston rose rapidly on to the board
of the company and was Deputy Governor,
its most senior executive position,
from 1689 to 1690;
his association with the company ended in 1692.
This company had been set up
by King Charles II and his brother James, Duke of York,
(later King James II, who was the Governor of the company),
together with City of London merchants,
and it had many notable investors,
including John Locke, English philosopher and physician,
widely regarded as one of the most influential
of Enlightenment thinkers and commonly known
as the "Father of Liberalism"
(though he later changed his stance on the slave trade),
and the diarist Samuel Pepys.]


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edward_Colston

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by arista

Nice to see you on Serious Debates
Scott.

Eddie was a Hard Worker


[He was apprenticed to the Mercers Company
for eight years and by 1672 was shipping goods from London.
He built up a lucrative business, trading cloth, oil,
wine, sherry and fruit with Spain,
Portugal, Italy and Africa.
In 1680, Colston became a member
of the Royal African Company,
which had held the monopoly in England
on trading along the West coast of Africa in gold,
silver, ivory and slaves from 1662.
Colston rose rapidly on to the board
of the company and was Deputy Governor,
its most senior executive position,
from 1689 to 1690;
his association with the company ended in 1692.
This company had been set up
by King Charles II and his brother James, Duke of York,
(later King James II, who was the Governor of the company),
together with City of London merchants,
and it had many notable investors,
including John Locke, English philosopher and physician,
widely regarded as one of the most influential
of Enlightenment thinkers and commonly known
as the "Father of Liberalism"
(though he later changed his stance on the slave trade),
and the diarist Samuel Pepys.]


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edward_Colston

Yeah it is a bit short-sighted to reduce him to nothing more than a "slave trader" when he did quite bit more, like funding schools and hospitals.

[Liam-]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

Yeah it is a bit short-sighted to reduce him to nothing more than a "slave trader" when he did quite bit more, like funding schools and hospitals.

With his fortune made from the slave trade

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Liam-

With his fortune made from the slave trade

instead of spending it all on wine and women

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by arista

Nice to see you on Serious Debates

Scott.



Eddie was a Hard Worker





[He was apprenticed to the Mercers Company

for eight years and by 1672 was shipping goods from London.

He built up a lucrative business, trading cloth, oil,

wine, sherry and fruit with Spain,

Portugal, Italy and Africa.

In 1680, Colston became a member

of the Royal African Company,

which had held the monopoly in England

on trading along the West coast of Africa in gold,

silver, ivory and slaves from 1662.

Colston rose rapidly on to the board

of the company and was Deputy Governor,

its most senior executive position,

from 1689 to 1690;

his association with the company ended in 1692.

This company had been set up

by King Charles II and his brother James, Duke of York,

(later King James II, who was the Governor of the company),

together with City of London merchants,

and it had many notable investors,

including John Locke, English philosopher and physician,

widely regarded as one of the most influential

of Enlightenment thinkers and commonly known

as the "Father of Liberalism"

(though he later changed his stance on the slave trade),

and the diarist Samuel Pepys.]





https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edward_Colston

Mmmmm.. just the two flaws then ..

Edward Colston
(2 November 1636 – 11 October 1721) Colston was a Bristol-born English merchant, philanthropist, slave trader, and Member of Parliament.



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[Liam-]

*chefs kiss*

[Samm]

Originally Posted by Liam-

*chefs kiss*

Thrown into the same harbour in which he made his money through importing slaves, poetic

[arista]

Originally Posted by Samm

Thrown into the same harbour in which he made his money through importing slaves, poetic

But in 1670
everyone was doing the same
it was normal then.
Does not make it right
but many Europe Nations
were doing the same.

[Fetch The Bolt Cutters]

This is so embarrassing

[JerseyWins]

Originally Posted by Fetch The Bolt Cutters

This is so embarrassing

ahhhh

[Liam-]

‘Slave owners weren’t all bad’ is peak TiBB in 2020

[Samm]

Originally Posted by Liam-

‘Slave owners weren’t all bad’ is peak TiBB in 2020

Honestly this forum makes me cackle sometimes.

[arista]

Back on the main topic
Floyd had Criminal record, he was not a good person.
That Counterfeit 20 dollar bill
brought in the Police.
If only he did not use that fake note.

Of course the Evil
now Ex Cop, that murdered him is going to jail for life.
No one is backing that murder.

[Scarlett.]

Originally Posted by arista

Back on the main topic
Floyd had Criminal record, he was not a good person.
That Counterfeit 20 dollar bill
brought in the Police.
If only he did not use that fake note.

Of course the Evil
now Ex Cop, that murdered him is going to jail for life.
No one is backing that murder.

Counterfeiting is a pretty white collar crime, if it was a white man, he'd have probably served a short sentence in a minimum security prison.

That is, if he was guilty.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Scarlett.

Counterfeiting is a pretty white collar crime, if it was a white man, he'd have probably served a short sentence in a minimum security prison.

Sure but his Arrests before
[In 2009, Floyd served a five-year prison sentence
as part of a plea deal on the 2007 charge
of aggravated robbery with a deadly weapon,
reports the Houston Chronicle.]

Prove he was not a Good Person
that everyone is saying.

[thesheriff443]

Originally Posted by arista

Sure but his Arrests before
[In 2009, Floyd served a five-year prison sentence
as part of a plea deal on the 2007 charge
of aggravated robbery with a deadly weapon,
reports the Houston Chronicle.]

Prove he was not a Good Person
that everyone is saying.

Some would have you believe he is a decorated war hero.
He didn’t deserve to die but try and keep it real.

[Fetch The Bolt Cutters]

Originally Posted by arista

Back on the main topic
Floyd had Criminal record, he was not a good person.
That Counterfeit 20 dollar bill
brought in the Police.
If only he did not use that fake note.

Of course the Evil
now Ex Cop, that murdered him is going to jail for life.
No one is backing that murder.

How does having a criminal record automatically make you “not a good person”

[Peppermint]

Originally Posted by Fetch The Bolt Cutters

How does having a criminal record automatically make you “not a good person”

I wouldn't say that... but re: the holding a gun against a pregnant woman I wouldn't say he was a good person? It's not like he ever learned from any of his mistakes either, he kept going on to commit different crimes

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Liam-

Isn’t it funny, hysterical right wingers don’t want British atrocities taught in schools, or mentioned on kids shows like horrible histories because we should respect Britain and never say we did anything bad, yet a statue of a notorious slave trader gets torn down and suddenly they’re all for historic things being in the public eye, aren’t we as a country exhausted yet of finding ways to celebrate or white wash our horrible connections with racism? Like come on, everyone knows it happened, why are white people so insecure that they feel like we can’t talk about it and can’t admit this country was a massive part of the world wide problem, it’s like it’s been brushed under the carpet and people expect it to just be forgotten, we need to educate people to make them understand why people feel so strongly about this.

History has more interesting things like Vikings, Normans, Romans, Tudors, Stuarts, Oliver Cromwell, and a couple of world wars. There's no real need to carp on about why Brits should hate themselves

Originally Posted by arista

Back on the main topic
Floyd had Criminal record, he was not a good person.
That Counterfeit 20 dollar bill
brought in the Police.
If only he did not use that fake note.

Of course the Evil
now Ex Cop, that murdered him is going to jail for life.
No one is backing that murder.

I'm more worried about other things he's allegedly done than try to spend phoney money without knowing about it. He was an awful person who doesn't deserve to be the figurehead of all this, but it's not up to a random cop to decide whether he lives or dies.

[Liam-]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

History has more interesting things like Vikings, Normans, Romans, Tudors, Stuarts, Oliver Cromwell, and a couple of world wars. There's no real need to carp on about why Brits should hate themselves

This is why we need to educate our future generations on these matters