[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by arista

Its a hard job to take on.

Biden is out running or bicycling most mornings. You've watched trump struggle to walk up ramps and lift a glass of water up to his mouth on more than one occasion, so why is Biden the frail one and president lard arse the mobile and strong one?

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

Biden is out running or bicycling most mornings. You've watched trump struggle to walk up ramps and lift a glass of water up to his mouth on more than one occasion, so why is Biden the frail one and president lard arse the mobile and strong one?

Because he runs his mouth the most?

[Nicky91]

https://www.dutchnews.nl/news/2020/1...on-of-victory/

MPs have called for the Dutch government to publicly condemn Donald Trump’s declaration of victory in the US presidential election before all the votes have been counted.

In a press conference at the White House in the early hours of Wednesday morning Trump openly questioned the legitimacy of mail-in ballots and threatened to go to the Supreme Court as his Democrat rival, Joe Biden, closed the gap in several swing states.

Trump denounced the vote as a ‘fraud on the American people’ and an ’embarrassment to our country’, but produced no evidence of electoral fraud and did not specify how the Supreme Court might be asked to intervene.

Jesse Klaver, leader of opposition party GroenLinks, said the events in the US showed ‘how dangerous it is when a president undermines democracy by claiming victory before all the votes have been counted. The Dutch government must call on Trump to abide by the rules of democracy.’

Sjoerd Sjoerdsma, foreign affairs spokesman for coalition party D66, pressed foreign minister Stef Blok and his European colleagues not to recognise Trump’s declaration of victory. The prime minister of Slovenia, Janesz Janša, is the only European Union leader so far to congratulate Trump.

‘It’s not for us to choose the American president, but it is our job to ensure our democratic partners stick to the rules. Blok must make plain, together with our European colleagues, that we cannot recognise Trump’s declaration of victory and that all votes must be counted.’

Not all Dutch politicians were critical of Trump’s statement: Joost Eerdmans, alderman with populist party Leefbaar Rotterdam and a candidate for Forum for Democracy in next year’s general election, tweeted: ‘Whatever the ultimate outcome, nobody other than Trump is the moral winner of the 2020 US Elections’.

Netherlands-based pundits said that the US election would ultimately lead to further polarisation in the United States and diminish its status further on the world stage. Growing polarisation

James Kennedy, the American-born and raised professor of modern history at Utrecht University, told Trouw that the election confirmed the trend that has been evident since the turn of the century.

‘Democrats don’t seem to understand that a man they view as incompetent and narcissistic is still so attractive to many Americans. But many people have made progress economically in the last few years, and they noticed the difference in their wallets – at least until corona struck. ‘Many people see Trump as a protector, the president who keeps them from socialism and riots by leftist demonstrators.’

Security expert Rob de Wijk said a Trump victory would accelerate European integration as the EU looked to fill the gap left by a retreating America, while even a win for Biden would only slow the corrosion of American influence.

‘Biden has said that traditional alliances need to be strengthened,’ De Wijk, founder of The Hague Centre of Strategic Studies at Leiden University, told De Volkskrant.

That’s all very well, but what people often forget is that as vice-president under Obama, Biden was the architect of the reorientation of America towards Asia. Biden’s rhetoric may be different, but even under his presidency the relative importance of Nato to the Americans will diminish.’

Conservative trend Economic commentator Kees de Kort said the American public had become more conservative in the last four years. There had been no sweeping change to the balance of power in Congress and no sign of significant economic reforms by either party to support those hit by the coronavirus crisis.

‘America is divided, so there is no broad majority for the programme,’ he wrote on BNR’s website. ‘I don’t think much is going to change.’

In De Telegraaf, meanwhile, columnist Roderick Veelo argued that Trump’s achievements had been blurred by ‘a relentless flood of accusations and rumours’ in the media.

‘Journalists, commentators as well as news consumers in this country are suffering from Trump derangement syndrome, in an advanced stage,’ he said. ‘Even a neutral article about Trump is scarcely to be found.

‘We may have to wait a while for the final election results, but Trump is not badly placed. So permit yourself a little nuance in the coming four years instead of another four years of having your judgment tilted towards one side.’

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what some of Dutch MP's, and Dutch political experts think of the 2020 us elections, and regarding Trump's weird speech

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Because he runs his mouth the most?

Good job his mouth doesn't have bone spurs too.

[The Slim Reaper]

R-r-r-r-reeeemix

[arista]

Happy Cat

[arista]

Georgia

Trump 49.68%

biden 49.09%

[arista]

OHIO
also going to Trump

And Alaska
Trump is well ahead
of Biden

[Nicky91]

nothing to panic yet though

but no matter which side you're on, to see everything so close call, shows how divided america is

[Captain.Remy]

Trump will probably take Georgia and Pennsylvania, and Biden will probably take Nevada and Arizona, making our grandpa Biden the winner.

[Nicky91]

Originally Posted by Captain.Remy

Trump will probably take Georgia and Pennsylvania, and Biden will probably take Nevada and Arizona, making our grandpa Biden the winner.

few areas in Pennsylvania which Biden has most votes, are Pittsburgh (to name a major one) and that one is mail-in vote heavy


i still so hope Biden wins, however then they should go on high alert for any attacks, cause those trump supporters really genuinely scare me

[The Slim Reaper]

It's looking like Pennsylvania will turn for Biden which will clinch it. Georgia will be really close by time all votes are counted.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Captain.Remy

Trump will probably take Georgia and Pennsylvania, and Biden will probably take Nevada and Arizona, making our grandpa Biden the winner.

Yes
https://news.sky.com/story/us-electi...ts-up-12124085

[The Slim Reaper]

I think if trump holds PA then he will be president.

[Toy Soldier]

Betting odds for Trump to win are now higher than at any point in 2016 (flitting between 11/2 and 6/1). If I hadn't already bet, I'd be betting now. I can see several paths to Trump staying in the White House.

Important to note: The bet on almost all sites is NOT "to win the election" - it's to be President in Jan 2021. That means bookies will have to pay no matter the route - i.e. if Trump retains the presidency through being ****ing dodgy then it still counts.

And in my gut, I think this is far from over. Trump cheats and Republicans don't care.

Sadly I can still see several paths to Trump still being prez next year.

[arista]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

I think if trump holds PA then he will be president.

how nice

[arista]

NYC Tax Evasion is ready to charge Trump
if he is no longer President.


So he better Fly to Scotland
as soon as he can.

[Nicky91]

Nevada = 6

Arizona = 11

so yes those two are crucial for Biden, and then he has reached 270

[SherzyK]

Any updates?

[Nicky91]

currently at popular vote (does not mean too much, but it would be nice to have a president who wins in crucial states and popular vote for once again unlike 2016)

Biden 50.5%

Trump 47.6%

[bitontheslide]

Originally Posted by SherzyK

Any updates?

they are still confident of taking PA which would win it

Still confident in Arizona

Silly close in Georgia

[SherzyK]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

they are still confident of taking PA which would win it

Still confident in Arizona

Silly close in Georgia

The waiting is the worst part. Going to sleep last night, confident that the counting would have been done only to wake up 7 hours later and nothings changed

[Nicky91]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

they are still confident of taking PA which would win it

Still confident in Arizona

Silly close in Georgia

Biden has 70k lead in Arizona


Trump has a 20k lead in Georgia, so yeah that is very close

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Betting odds for Trump to win are now higher than at any point in 2016 (flitting between 11/2 and 6/1). If I hadn't already bet, I'd be betting now. I can see several paths to Trump staying in the White House.

Important to note: The bet on almost all sites is NOT "to win the election" - it's to be President in Jan 2021. That means bookies will have to pay no matter the route - i.e. if Trump retains the presidency through being ****ing dodgy then it still counts.

And in my gut, I think this is far from over. Trump cheats and Republicans don't care.

Sadly I can still see several paths to Trump still being prez next year.

Serious?! I thought by now Trump was basically history now...

Even if he does somehow swing it, the difference in popular vote is like 3% While a winner has only lost the PV twice before, the gap's never been that big!

[Nicky91]

213
20
16
=
249

so even with PA, Georgia Trump has got not enough by far