[Lee.]

Originally Posted by Jack_

I wonder what he'd do if she did actually defy the odds and be 'disrespectful' again.

Perhaps he'd burn all her clothes, light a stick of dynamite in her room, or have her hung, drawn and quartered on live TV.

Nah.. I don't think he would. He actuall comes across as quite a reasonable fella to me and he carried out her punishment in a calm and collected fashion.

I think punishing kids is all about "hitting them where it hurts" (i don't mean that literally) This dad has obviously tried other ways of punishing her before but has worked out that to destroy her laptop would get to her more than a grounding.

I've tried everything with my daughter from banning games consoles to naughty steps but nothing works. Eventually I realised how much she loves Brownies so if she's cheeky or disrespectful I don't allow her to go. I don't like doing it as she cries for about an hour but but it scares me to think what she'll grow into if I just let bad behaviour go unpunished.

Parenting isn't easy... its a struggle sometimes, but I get pissed off by the molly-cuddling, nanny pamby culture we live in where kids have no respect because discipline is more or less frowned upon from parents, teachers, police etc.

[Visage]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Yeah good point, reminds me of that quote "those who criticise our generation forget who raised it"

Never heard that before, it's an excellent quote.

[Livia]

LOL... excellent. What a disrespectful little gromit his daughter is. If I'd spoken about my parents like that I'd probably still be grounded now. He's an example to parents of know-it-all, mouthy, lazy teenagers everywhere.

The only thing I have to say on the negative is that, with a .45 at that range, his grouping could have been a little tighter.

[Lee.]

Originally Posted by Livia

LOL... excellent. What a disrespectful little gromit his daughter is. If I'd spoken about my parents like that I'd probably still be grounded now. He's an example to parents of know-it-all, mouth, lazy teenagers everywhere.

The only thing I have to say on the negative is that, with a .45 at that range, his grouping could have been a little tighter.

-is all of a sudden slightly wary of Livid-

[Marc]

Originally Posted by Livia

LOL... excellent. What a disrespectful little gromit his daughter is. If I'd spoken about my parents like that I'd probably still be grounded now. He's an example to parents of know-it-all, mouthy, lazy teenagers everywhere.

The only thing I have to say on the negative is that, with a .45 at that range, his grouping could have been a little tighter.

[Jords]

Originally Posted by Zee

I take it this is aimed at me. Your perspective on things change with your circumstances. At the moment I am living off my own money, by myself, in a foreign country, so I've grown up a lot and my views on my parents and my relationship with them is very different to the one I had before I moved away. I don't really appreciate the dig. It's not that I'm not willing to understand - it's that I'm far more understanding of the father now that I've been living my own life and have a better understanding of the value of money now that I live off the money I make.

You didnt need public humiliation or bullets in your laptop, nor does she. Its the process of growing up.

Nothing a month ban from the laptop and a month ban of 'parent transport' preventing her going out would start making her realize the value of luxuries and parents. This just inevitably builds-up a hidden resentment which she'll play it down to come across 'good' so nothing worsens, in a sort of threatened fear.

She may be saying to her dad, its k its just a laptop, but to her friends he will be a tosser. And he will be 1 for a long time. A month ban would make him a tosser for a month, and when shed get the laptop/parent transport back, hed be appreciated and she'll be telling her friends 'hes not a bad dad really' and she will have learned respect. Thats what good suitable discipline does.

[Ithinkiloveyoutoo]

To be honest just shooting her laptop isn't harsh. Extreme parents would have done worst than shoot her laptop which anybody with a life shouldn't have much time to be on anyway.

Have you you guys seen this one ?

Youtube video

[Ithinkiloveyoutoo]

Originally Posted by Jords

You didnt need public humiliation or bullets in your laptop, nor does she. Its the process of growing up.

Nothing a month ban from the laptop and a month ban of 'parent transport' preventing her going out would start making her realize the value of luxuries and parents. .

hmm not so sure. With todays kids the response to that would be "fine. just suspended, in a month ill do it again." it sort of how it was when he caught her doing again after the first time. Shooting makes it final and send the clear message, I aint playing gal!! Now she's going to go around thinking about her parents before she does stuff thinking, **** I can't afford not to be under their roof, if I do this what kind of punishment will they give me this time. I better be careful. Until I can make my own money and leave, i'll be good..

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by Ithinkiloveyoutoo

To be honest just shooting her laptop isn't harsh. Extreme parents would have done worst than shoot her laptop which anybody with a life shouldn't have much time to be on anyway.

Have you you guys seen this one ?

Youtube video

What morons (the parents that is).

[Jords]

Originally Posted by Lee.

Nah.. I don't think he would. He actuall comes across as quite a reasonable fella to me and he carried out her punishment in a calm and collected fashion.

I think punishing kids is all about "hitting them where it hurts" (i don't mean that literally) This dad has obviously tried other ways of punishing her before but has worked out that to destroy her laptop would get to her more than a grounding.

I've tried everything with my daughter from banning games consoles to naughty steps but nothing works. Eventually I realised how much she loves Brownies so if she's cheeky or disrespectful I don't allow her to go. I don't like doing it as she cries for about an hour but but it scares me to think what she'll grow into if I just let bad behaviour go unpunished.

Parenting isn't easy... its a struggle sometimes, but I get pissed off by the molly-cuddling, nanny pamby culture we live in where kids have no respect because discipline is more or less frowned upon from parents, teachers, police etc.

No thats really good! You didnt 'destroy' Brownies so she could never go in the foreseeable, but she will slowly learn she has to be good to be rewarded and be able to go every week or whatever.

All he had to do is take away that laptop for a month. Repeated offence another month. Again? Another month. She would soon learn especially when coursework comes up and she has to spend weekends in the libary if he refused to give it back even for work.

If every parent public himilated their children when they acted spoilt it wouldnt be a very nice world tbh

[Ithinkiloveyoutoo]

Originally Posted by Jords

No thats really good! You didnt 'destroy' Brownies so she could never go in the foreseeable, but she will slowly learn she has to be good to be rewarded and be able to go every week or whatever.

All he had to do is take away that laptop for a month. Repeated offence another month. Again? Another month. She would soon learn especially when coursework comes up and she has to spend weekends in the libary if he refused to give it back even for work.

If every parent public himilated their children when they acted spoilt it wouldnt be a very nice world tbh

Because it's such a nice world already teehehee

[Jords]

Originally Posted by Ithinkiloveyoutoo

hmm not so sure. With todays kids the response to that would be "fine. just suspended, in a month ill do it again." it sort of how it was when he caught her doing again after the first time. Shooting makes it final and send the clear message, I aint playing gal!! Now she's going to go around thinking about her parents before she does stuff thinking, **** I can't afford not to be under their roof, if I do this what kind of punishment will they give me this time. I better be careful. Until I can make my own money and leave, i'll be good..

imo to get the message really sunk in you have to give the opportunity of repeated offence. With severer punishment each time, 1 month ban, 2 month ban, 3 month ban (with banning of going out or something). She would soon learn. Theres no point taking away the opportunity because in the real world people are always presented with situations to act selfish and rude. They need to learn not to be in them scenarios.

[Jords]

Originally Posted by Ithinkiloveyoutoo

Because it's such a nice world already teehehee

It could be worse

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Lee.

Nah.. I don't think he would. He actuall comes across as quite a reasonable fella to me and he carried out her punishment in a calm and collected fashion.

I think punishing kids is all about "hitting them where it hurts" (i don't mean that literally) This dad has obviously tried other ways of punishing her before but has worked out that to destroy her laptop would get to her more than a grounding.

I've tried everything with my daughter from banning games consoles to naughty steps but nothing works. Eventually I realised how much she loves Brownies so if she's cheeky or disrespectful I don't allow her to go. I don't like doing it as she cries for about an hour but but it scares me to think what she'll grow into if I just let bad behaviour go unpunished.

Parenting isn't easy... its a struggle sometimes, but I get pissed off by the molly-cuddling, nanny pamby culture we live in where kids have no respect because discipline is more or less frowned upon from parents, teachers, police etc.

Yes but locking the laptop in his gun cabinet indefinately would have equally 'hit her were it hurts'. I don't think this has anything to do with being unable or unwilling to discipline..that's a seperate issue, her parents bought her the stuff and then complain she is ungrateful...well duh! If I'd paid several hundred pounds for a laptop for my child, which I never have, I certainly wouldn't put a bullet in it...nor would I have sunk to her level of public sniping...he's just as immatue as her imo

[Lee.]

Originally Posted by Jords

No thats really good! You didnt 'destroy' Brownies so she could never go in the foreseeable, but she will slowly learn she has to be good to be rewarded and be able to go every week or whatever.

All he had to do is take away that laptop for a month. Repeated offence another month. Again? Another month. She would soon learn especially when coursework comes up and she has to spend weekends in the libary if he refused to give it back even for work.

If every parent public himilated their children when they acted spoilt it wouldnt be a very nice world tbh

Wait till you're a parent yourself... kids can really push you to the limit. I have a feeling this guy has probably tried everything before. She may at least become a little more appreciative now and will maybe even go get herself a job to pay for a new laptop.

[Marc]

My god it's only a laptop. You can buy another one. And when she does she'll appreciate the meaning of money because right now she's clearly not.

[Jords]

Its not the laptop its the video. But of course shooting it was also lameeeeee

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Lee.

Wait till you're a parent yourself... kids can really push you to the limit. I have a feeling this guy has probably tried everything before. She may at least become a little more appreciative now and will maybe even go get herself a job to pay for a new laptop.

I am a parent..of two grown up sons, mostly my OH worked away and teenage boys can be a nightmare. I'm lucky I still have hair on my head.....I still think he acted like a p*ick. I would have donated the laptop to a school or something...I wouldn't have a problem if she never got it back, if her behaviour is repeatedly bad. There's a much better way of denying her the laptop and achieving the same result

[Lee.]

Originally Posted by Ammi

Yes but locking the laptop in his gun cabinet indefinately would have equally 'hit her were it hurts'. I don't think this has anything to do with being unable or unwilling to discipline..that's a seperate issue, her parents bought her the stuff and then complain she is ungrateful...well duh! If I'd paid several hundred pounds for a laptop for my child, which I never have, I certainly wouldn't put a bullet in it...nor would I have sunk to her level of public sniping...he's just as immatue as her imo

I don't want to argue about this with you Ammi.. I like you too much However I have to say I thought what this guy did was brilliant! I know the gun thing deems really extreme, especially to us who don't own guns, but I have to say, I'll bet he's brought her down a peg or two.

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Lee.

I don't want to argue about this with you Ammi.. I like you too much However I have to say I thought what this guy did was brilliant! I know the gun thing deems really extreme, especially to us who don't own guns, but I have to say, I'll bet he's brought her down a peg or two.

...Ha, I don't argue Lee..it's only different opinions...as I've said early on in the thread, I so wanted to support him myself as I totally relate to his frustrations...it's only his methods I think are wrong.

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by Jords

You didnt need public humiliation or bullets in your laptop, nor does she. Its the process of growing up.

Nothing a month ban from the laptop and a month ban of 'parent transport' preventing her going out would start making her realize the value of luxuries and parents. This just inevitably builds-up a hidden resentment which she'll play it down to come across 'good' so nothing worsens, in a sort of threatened fear.

She may be saying to her dad, its k its just a laptop, but to her friends he will be a tosser. And he will be 1 for a long time. A month ban would make him a tosser for a month, and when shed get the laptop/parent transport back, hed be appreciated and she'll be telling her friends 'hes not a bad dad really' and she will have learned respect. Thats what good suitable discipline does.

I'm guessing Jords that you did not actually LISTEN to the father?

Perhaps go watch (and listen) to the father. It has completely bypassed your notice that he has already met out these type of punishments (and for longer than a month) and still she did not learn.

[Jords]

Persistence.


btw Im not saying shes not acting like a spoilt prat and being ungrateful. Clearly she is. But Im with Ammi his methods are ridiculous and contradicting.

Just imagine if YT was filled with parents publically humilating their children

[Lee.]

Originally Posted by Ammi

...Ha, I don't argue Lee..it's only different opinions...as I've said early on in the thread, I so wanted to support him myself as I totally relate to his frustrations...it's only his methods I think are wrong.

I've seen worse methods tbh... I don't think every parent agrees on discipline methods, but as long as they don't involve aggression or violence and they teach the kid a lesson, then I say go for it!

[Jords]

Originally Posted by Lee.

I've seen worse methods tbh... I don't think every parent agrees on discipline methods, but as long as they don't involve aggression or violence and they teach the kid a lesson, then I say go for it!

Shooting is aggression. Not on her but it might set an example that she can behave aggressive towards things and smash em up.

[Lee.]

Originally Posted by Jords

Persistence.


btw Im not saying shes not acting like a spoilt prat and being ungrateful. Clearly she is. But Im with Ammi his methods are ridiculous and contradicting.

Just imagine if YT was filled with parents publically humilating their children

I remember being grounded as a teenager and climbing out my bedroom window so I could go hang out down the park... I'd only been there 5 mins when I saw my mum's car pull up.. she was yelling and literally hauled me to the car by the scruff of the neck. I was mortified/humiliated beyond belief! Was my mum wrong to embarrass me like that?