[billy123]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Think Cherie's point was that the SNP's campaign in Scotland had an impact on Labour's performance in England as well

Thank **** for that a common sense point of view.

[Ross.]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Think Cherie's point was that the SNP's campaign in Scotland had an impact on Labour's performance in England as well

Pretty much what happened, the SNP essentially helped put the Tories back into power.

[Crimson Dynamo]

You cant blame SNP for winning seats. Labour's cosying with the Tories during the Ref had a huge impact up here

[Jemal]

Typical that a few stupid idiots done spmething stupid but of course tory supporters and cameron of course will jump straight at the chance of using the defacing of the memorial to cover up the real issues here in this country.
You have other people who are actually protesting for a real cause and real problems in this country for people whos pockets aren't deep and of course the torys will blank that and address the defacing of a memorial.

Were in for a tough five years.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Cherie

What shame is this, Nicola Sturgeon handed the Tories the win by her constant insinuation that Labour would not get a majority and would need SNP backing it turned Labour votes to UKIP and The Tories.

I agree, to say she insisted she didn't want the tories back in she played a massive part in ensuring they did

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

You cant blame SNP for winning seats. Labour's cosying with the Tories during the Ref had a huge impact up here

And this... mind you had they not they would've been castigated as they eventually were anyway purely on the insinuation they were pro Scotland...
He was caught between a rock and a hard place there.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

And this... mind you had they not they would've been castigated as they eventually were anyway purely on the insinuation they were pro Scotland...
He was caught between a rock and a hard place there.

yes it was just that

[user104658]

It's actually somewhere between the two. The SNP success did have in impact on Labour in England, but it was more down to the gutter press and their constant cartoons / insinuations about "Scotland pulling the strings", making an alliance something to be feared, and essentially making Scotland out to be a rival that had the impact on Labour support. Basically the SNP's success was used as a tool in Tory propaganda. Not really anything to do with what they did or didn't say themselves.

[user104658]

Oh and that's after spending the first half of 2014 bleating that we're all one nation and better together. Hah.

[user104658]

2014: "Don't leave us Scotland! We are all one! Vote to stay and lead by example!!"

2015: "Look out England, Scotland is trying to lead you, vote Tory to stop those foreign bastards!!"

[bots]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Oh and that's after spending the first half of 2014 bleating that we're all one nation and better together. Hah.

Have to say that the Tory stance toward SNP popularity was incredibly divisive and they will pay for that one way or another, and very soon. It was similar in my view to Cameron's famous speech on the morning after the referendum. Incredibly bad taste. In this respect as in all others, you reap what you sow

[user104658]

Ironically, in all honesty I think even with a majority Cameron may well conceed more to Sturgeon in exchange for Westminster support than Miliband would have.

[Kizzy]

Can Nicola trust her MPs to toe the party line?.... If there's difficult decisions to be made it's their heads on the block back home :/

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Ithinkiloveyoutoo

"Hard-left activists desecrated a war memorial " nah thugs
"Hate mob in No.10 rampage" nah thugs.
"Anarchists and hard-line socialists unwilling to accept Thursday's election result protested violently in Whitehall" nah violent thugs caused chaos don't care about the cause.
"Dozens of protesters, many of them wearing masks or balaclavas tried to push their way through police lines" less threatening that a lone black man shouting but where are the batons??
.................................................. .................

aside from that. sad state of affairs.

[user104658]

Are your hands not sore yet kirk? You've been clapping incessantly for days!

[Jemal]

Isn't this the first time this has ever happened straight after an election?
Doesn't that say everything lol

[Kizzy]

It says 37% of the population were wrong

[JoshBB]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Can Nicola trust her MPs to toe the party line?.... If there's difficult decisions to be made it's their heads on the block back home :/

Well, if 'difficult decisions' is a euphemism for cuts then I highly doubt it. Ending austerity was their main issue for this election, and why they won it too.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

2014: "Don't leave us Scotland! We are all one! Vote to stay and lead by example!!"

2015: "Look out England, Scotland is trying to lead you, vote Tory to stop those foreign bastards!!"

Front page of todays Herald

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Ironically, in all honesty I think even with a majority Cameron may well conceed more to Sturgeon in exchange for Westminster support than Miliband would have.

well he is actually scottish himself

[bots]

Originally Posted by Jemal

Isn't this the first time this has ever happened straight after an election?
Doesn't that say everything lol

It happened when Tony Blair got in, and there were fights and scuffles after the Scottish referendum result. Nothing new

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Charlotte Church was a peaceful protester in Cardiff where there were no issues with social order, and is entitled to protest if she wants. Where are the freedoms in this country now?...

You are seriously missing the whole point of the particular post of mine which you are responding to, because in that post I do not deny anyone's right to participate in 'peaceful protest' but instead express my specfic opinion and view of Church's TRUE motives for suddenly acquiring a social and political conscience and becoming, first a voter for the first time, and secondly a Labour supporting 'peaceful protester'.

I am confounded though at ANYONE who can accept any kind of protest - peaceful or otherwise - at the results of a fairly held, constitutionally correct, democratic General Election, because what is TRULY being protested about and opposed here, is DEMOCRACY itself - let us not delude ourselves.

As BitOnTheSlide and others have already eloquently stated, we have a democratic procedure in place and the Conservatives won the election fair and square under that process.

It is notable that NO ONE on here was protesting about how UNFAIR that process was BEFORE the Election.

Indeed,when it was pointed out by certain members that despite securing almost 4 million votes UKIP has only ONE voice in Parliament whilst the SNP secured 56 seats with half of the UKIP number of votes, certain FM's were quick to point out that such was the system, and still others pointed out that the General Public had been presented with the opportunity to democratically change the system but did not avail themselve of it.

It is predictable that now the Left wing on here are defending these 'protests' because they are anti-Tory, but the inescapable truth is that peaceful or not, the protests are ludicrous when we have just held a General Election.

You ask: ''Where are the freedoms in this country now?'' while conveniently IGNORING the fact that these knobhead protesters are UTILISING just ONE of the many freedoms which our DEMOCRACY affords them. The very DEMOCRACY they are now protesting against.

The great and enraging IRONY here, is that while the peaceful element were availing themselves of the FREEDOM to demonstrate and protest, the inevitable 'professional anti-democratic, anti-Tory, anti-UK, anti-patriotic anarchist morons use that same freedom to desicrate a memorial to all the couragous patriotic women who FOUGHT and DIED for that very freedom.

If the Police ever catch the one/ones responsible, I will gladly VOLUNTER to put a bullet firmly and squarely in thecentre of their useless obsidian eyes.

If this is what the Left Wing stand for now, then I for one sincerely hope that the Labour Party NEVER win another General election ever again.

''Great Democracies
have always
encountered
violent
opposition from
mindless morons.''
Kirk Knowswell.

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Are your hands not sore yet kirk? You've been clapping incessantly for days!

No.

[joeysteele]

I think a great many people were saying the electoral process was wrong, Nigel Farage for one, the Greens, SNP, Plaid Cymru, the Lib Dems,in fact all the parties except for Labour and the Conservatives seem to be now.

On here, I said a few times to JoshBB for instance, I was now a convert to some form of pr along with others.

Who also is to say all those who took part in this protest march are left wing and why again does that make them bad people.
Also again, why condemn all the protesters for the actions of a few.
Is that what tolerance is now, anyone against something that is heartless are left wing and should be shoved in a corner and only allowed out when the real extreme right wing permit it to be so.

What a surprise and disgrace in my view too Kirk, that you could say because of the actions of a few mindless wreckers who did wrong on a march, that overall was going peacefully until they fired off,should mean a Labour govt; should never be elected again.
That is a gross insult to all decent voters who are also people who support the Labour party.

You presumably know for sure,before you actually publicly said it, that the ones who caused the trouble were in fact anything to do with Labour.
Or is this yet another of your misunderstood quotes that you do when you lump any extremism always as to the left wing as you always generalise on, then backtrack a bit afterwards as to.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Jemal

Typical that a few stupid idiots done spmething stupid but of course tory supporters and cameron of course will jump straight at the chance of using the defacing of the memorial to cover up the real issues here in this country.
You have other people who are actually protesting for a real cause and real problems in this country for people whos pockets aren't deep and of course the torys will blank that and address the defacing of a memorial.

Were in for a tough five years.

The rioters lost any point they may have had when they did this, don't dare try to play it down. It was disgusting on the anniversary of VE day. How dare they do that to a memorial to people worth twenty of them.

The Conservatives were voted in democratically whichever way you try to spin it. If you don't like it, riot. What a pathetic bunch of people the rioters are...