[user104658]

Oh and that's after spending the first half of 2014 bleating that we're all one nation and better together. Hah.

[bots]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Oh and that's after spending the first half of 2014 bleating that we're all one nation and better together. Hah.

Have to say that the Tory stance toward SNP popularity was incredibly divisive and they will pay for that one way or another, and very soon. It was similar in my view to Cameron's famous speech on the morning after the referendum. Incredibly bad taste. In this respect as in all others, you reap what you sow

[user104658]

2014: "Don't leave us Scotland! We are all one! Vote to stay and lead by example!!"

2015: "Look out England, Scotland is trying to lead you, vote Tory to stop those foreign bastards!!"

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

2014: "Don't leave us Scotland! We are all one! Vote to stay and lead by example!!"

2015: "Look out England, Scotland is trying to lead you, vote Tory to stop those foreign bastards!!"

Front page of todays Herald

[user104658]

Ironically, in all honesty I think even with a majority Cameron may well conceed more to Sturgeon in exchange for Westminster support than Miliband would have.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Ironically, in all honesty I think even with a majority Cameron may well conceed more to Sturgeon in exchange for Westminster support than Miliband would have.

well he is actually scottish himself

[Kizzy]

Can Nicola trust her MPs to toe the party line?.... If there's difficult decisions to be made it's their heads on the block back home :/

[JoshBB]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Can Nicola trust her MPs to toe the party line?.... If there's difficult decisions to be made it's their heads on the block back home :/

Well, if 'difficult decisions' is a euphemism for cuts then I highly doubt it. Ending austerity was their main issue for this election, and why they won it too.

[user104658]

Are your hands not sore yet kirk? You've been clapping incessantly for days!

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Are your hands not sore yet kirk? You've been clapping incessantly for days!

No.

[Jemal]

Isn't this the first time this has ever happened straight after an election?
Doesn't that say everything lol

[bots]

Originally Posted by Jemal

Isn't this the first time this has ever happened straight after an election?
Doesn't that say everything lol

It happened when Tony Blair got in, and there were fights and scuffles after the Scottish referendum result. Nothing new

[Kizzy]

It says 37% of the population were wrong

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

It says 37% of the population were wrong

...and that 63% were more probably right.

Having said that,I blame Tony Blair for this, he went on about fairer elections until he got power.
He and Paddy Ashdown had talks and ideas as to a re-alignment of the left and electoral reform.

Had Blair got a much smaller majority in 1997,it may have been that he would have proposed change after the 2001 election.

No chance now at present but that does not negate the argument that it is ridiculous for a party to get less than 4 out of 10 people voting for it and to then be able to govern unchecked at all.

Silly comparison but a commons vote could not be won with less than 4 out of 10 MPs supporting it.
The Conservatives are quick to go on about legitimate majorities Unions should have to call for strikes.
Yet they can govern despite 6 out of 10 of every voters voting against them.
The same applies to the Labour govt; of 2005 too.

[joeysteele]

I think a great many people were saying the electoral process was wrong, Nigel Farage for one, the Greens, SNP, Plaid Cymru, the Lib Dems,in fact all the parties except for Labour and the Conservatives seem to be now.

On here, I said a few times to JoshBB for instance, I was now a convert to some form of pr along with others.

Who also is to say all those who took part in this protest march are left wing and why again does that make them bad people.
Also again, why condemn all the protesters for the actions of a few.
Is that what tolerance is now, anyone against something that is heartless are left wing and should be shoved in a corner and only allowed out when the real extreme right wing permit it to be so.

What a surprise and disgrace in my view too Kirk, that you could say because of the actions of a few mindless wreckers who did wrong on a march, that overall was going peacefully until they fired off,should mean a Labour govt; should never be elected again.
That is a gross insult to all decent voters who are also people who support the Labour party.

You presumably know for sure,before you actually publicly said it, that the ones who caused the trouble were in fact anything to do with Labour.
Or is this yet another of your misunderstood quotes that you do when you lump any extremism always as to the left wing as you always generalise on, then backtrack a bit afterwards as to.

[arista]

"The Conservatives were voted in democratically whichever way you try to spin it."

Bang On Right Livia

[empire]

here's the thing that people won't admit, that the tory's labour,lib dem's,snp, are all under the same class, there are pro eu, they all come from the same backgrounds, there up bringing was paid for by there rich families, I mean would any of them live in the same house as there voters, no, they live in nice big houses, in the country side, blair was a public school boy, but voters where daft enough to vote for him, like he lived in a rough area all his life,

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by empire

here's the thing that people won't admit, that the tory's labour,lib dem's,snp, are all under the same class, there are pro eu, they all come from the same backgrounds, there up bringing was paid for by there rich families, I mean would any of them live in the same house as there voters, no, they live in nice big houses, in the country side, blair was a public school boy, but voters where daft enough to vote for him, like he lived in a rough area all his life,

Well said Empire,all true.I doubt any of them were poor in the sense of the word,as you say always lived in nice houses in nice areas.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

Well said Empire,all true.I doubt any of them were poor in the sense of the word,as you say always lived in nice houses in nice areas.

You keep mentioning that, I am talking about the sick and disabled people with cancer being told they should be able to do some work thanks to Ian Duncan Smiths foul re-assessments process.
Some live in nice houses because they have worked most of their lives to get same,
Then they are told to get out or pay even more because of the bedroom charge.
Even if they have dementia.

I came across a lady, who had dementia,had 2 bedrooms in her house, lived alone, she sometimes had a carer stay over some nights every week in the spare bedroom.
She has to pay Ł17 extra a week to stay in that house.

I have been to the re-assessments with people, not ALL are wasters as you seem to see them.
People who have worked all their lives then got dementia, being forced to re-assessment after re-assessment.
Having benefits cut because they forgot to answer the phone to someone calling them to discuss their benefits.
That goes on all the time.

You say that isn't happening because you haven't seen it,well I have and it is frustrating when people dismiss the sick and disabled as wasters.

They are the people I care about not fancy Ministers sitting in offices planning how to make the vulnerables lives even more traumatic than they already are.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

You keep mentioning that, I am talking about the sick and disabled people with cancer being told they should be able to do some work thanks to Ian Duncan Smiths foul re-assessments process.
Some live in nice houses because they have worked most of their lives to get same,
Then they are told to get out or pay even more because of the bedroom charge.
Even if they have dementia.

I came across a lady, who had dementia,had 2 bedrooms in her house, lived alone, she sometimes had a carer stay over some nights every week in the spare bedroom.
She has to pay Ł17 extra a week to stay in that house.

I have been to the re-assessments with people, not ALL are wasters as you seem to see them.
People who have worked all their lives then got dementia, being forced to re-assessment after re-assessment.
Having benefits cut because they forgot to answer the phone to someone calling them to discuss their benefits.
That goes on all the time.

You say that isn't happening because you haven't seen it,well I have and it is frustrating when people dismiss the sick and disabled as wasters.

They are the people I care about not fancy Ministers sitting in offices planning how to make the vulnerables lives even more traumatic than they already are.

ok Joey,I wont say anymore,I am outta this thread as its just going round in circles.

[Ninastar]

I wonder what people would say if it were the other way around - tories rioting over a labour win... Would people be as sympathetic then? I very much doubt it.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Chaos

I wonder what people would say if it were the other way around - tories rioting over a labour win... Would people be as sympathetic then? I very much doubt it.

Probably not, but then, Labour hasn't spent the last 5 years destroying people's lives sooo...

[bots]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Probably not, but then, Labour hasn't spent the last 5 years destroying people's lives sooo...

No, just the 12 years before that

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

No, just the 12 years before that

I felt much happier in my life under a Labour Government than I have done under a Tory Government.

Give me a naive Party over a ice cold Party anyday of the week.

[bots]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

I felt much happier in my life under a Labour Government than I have done under a Tory Government.

Give me a naive Party over a ice cold Party anyday of the week.

There are many names I could use to describe Tony Blair and Gordon Brown, naive is most certainly not one of them.

Blair and Brown set the UK on its course during their terms in office. Much of the hardship now being suffered is as a direct result of their actions in government, and anyone that fails to acknowledge that is naive.