[DemolitionRed]

This is about other trans females that ended up in male prisons
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/tammy-...b_8333458.html

The sad thing is, a tg may have to wait many, many years before an operation is offered on the NHS and they need to have very deep pockets if they want to have this done privately. This woman is only 26 and although she'd been given hormone replacement and therapy since the age of 16, if she couldn't afford the op (which she may not of been able to have for medical reasons) she will have to remain on a very long waiting list.

I also didn't know that many trans women are physically/health wise not suitable for full vaginoplasty.

Anyway, she got huge public support, not for her crime but for the wrong choice of prison she was sent to. Its great to read all the FB responses because it makes you realise just how accepted trans people are in this country.

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by JoshBB

It is clear from the fact that she is transitioning that she wants to be associated with the female gender.



Not true. Sex and gender are different things.

but gender is just in your mind, right? so if someone thinks they are a bear do they get to live in a zoo?

[Lostie!]

Originally Posted by lostalex

but gender is just in your mind, right? so if someone thinks they are a bear do they get to live in a zoo?

Since when was "bear" a gender?

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Lostie!

Since when was "bear" a gender?

[Z]

If I'd been assaulted I'd be devastated that the person who beat me up badly enough for them to have been sentenced to 12 weeks in jail was getting the sympathy of the nation.

[JoshBB]

Originally Posted by Z

If I'd been assaulted I'd be devastated that the person who beat me up badly enough for them to have been sentenced to 12 weeks in jail was getting the sympathy of the nation.

oh yeah, forget sympathy right?? You know what, why don't we just strap her up to a chair and torture her for the remainder of her life?

That's not how the criminal justice system works. The law says that she should serve time in prison, and as she is female she should be in a female prison. It's as simple as that.

[JoshBB]

Originally Posted by lostalex

but gender is just in your mind, right? so if someone thinks they are a bear do they get to live in a zoo?

...

Originally Posted by Lostie!

Since when was "bear" a gender?

this ^^

Don't be ridiculous alex, that's not the same and you know it.

[Z]

Originally Posted by JoshBB

oh yeah, forget sympathy right?? You know what, why don't we just strap her up to a chair and torture her for the remainder of her life?

That's not how the criminal justice system works. The law says that she should serve time in prison, and as she is female she should be in a female prison. It's as simple as that.

Calm down - I just think it's a shame for the victim of the assault that this is overshadowing the reason why the perpetrator was sentenced in the first place.

[bots]

Originally Posted by JoshBB

oh yeah, forget sympathy right?? You know what, why don't we just strap her up to a chair and torture her for the remainder of her life?

That's not how the criminal justice system works. The law says that she should serve time in prison, and as she is female she should be in a female prison. It's as simple as that.

How many times does it need to be repeated? Legally she is a male. That's how the law works!

It amazes me that this person is getting all this gushing support. This poor fragile woman, that has a record of assaults, goes up to a man in a bar and head butts him ... very lady like behaviour .... not. If she (and I use that term very loosly as I have never met or heard of a woman that would head butt a man) deserves zero sympathy.

[AnnieK]

I hope she gets some anger management classes /assistance as she obviously has violent tendancies

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

very lady like behaviour .... not. If she (and I use that term very loosly as I have never met or heard of a woman that would head butt a man)

[user104658]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

I have never met or heard of a woman that would head butt a man

You've lived a rather sheltered existence then

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Z

Calm down - I just think it's a shame for the victim of the assault that this is overshadowing the reason why the perpetrator was sentenced in the first place.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

You've lived a rather sheltered existence then

Yep I'd kick the crap out of you in a heartbeat....











ly rly

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by Lostie!

Since when was "bear" a gender?

it's an "identity".

since when is growing your hair long and wearing dresses a gender? most women i know don't wear dresses, and i'm sure most of them would like to get a free boob job too, but that's not what makes them a female.

I truly believe some people are transgender, and i have no problem calling this woman a woman. but that does;'t mean she doesn't still have a male body and she poses just as much of a treat to other female inmates as another biological male would. Let's also remember she has a clear history of violence.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by lostalex

it's an "identity".

since when is growing your hair long and wearing dresses a gender? most women i know don't wear dresses, and i'm sure most of them would like to get a free boob job too, but that's not what makes them a female.

[Lostie!]

Originally Posted by lostalex

it's an "identity".

since when is growing your hair long and wearing dresses a gender? most women i know don't wear dresses, and i'm sure most of them would like to get a free boob job too, but that's not what makes them a female.

I truly believe some people are transgender, and i have no problem calling this woman a woman. but that does;'t mean she doesn't still have a male body and she poses just as much of a treat to other female inmates as another biological male would. Let's also remember she has a clear history of violence.

Well, firstly I think it's rather silly to compare transgenderism with identifying as a bear but hey ho.

I also think the "she still has a male body so she's more dangerous to women" argument is a little flimsy since it perpetuates that stereotype that men = strong, women = weak. Believe it or not, plenty of women are more physically able than plenty of men. And what about the less physically strong men in the male prison? Does their welfare not concern you as much as that of the women? It's not like female prisons are just full of wilting daisies and male prisons are just full of burly tough nuts who can handle themselves.

And nobody's disputing her criminal history, hence why nobody is disputing that she deserves jail time. All that said, the only factor that should have a bearing on where she serves her sentence is what she's legally identified as and if she's still legally identified as a male (even if that's not how she self-identifies) then it all becomes a bit of a grey area.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by lostalex

it's an "identity".

since when is growing your hair long and wearing dresses a gender? most women i know don't wear dresses, and i'm sure most of them would like to get a free boob job too, but that's not what makes them a female.

I truly believe some people are transgender, and i have no problem calling this woman a woman. but that does;'t mean she doesn't still have a male body and she poses just as much of a treat to other female inmates as another biological male would. Let's also remember she has a clear history of violence.

This reminds me of what the poet John Cooper Clark said before he read 'crossing the floor', a psychiatrist wouldn't tell a person thinking they were napoleon to buy a white horse and invade Russia.