[Kizzy]

Police said there had been a 57% rise in hate crimes reported to a special website since Britain voted to leave last Friday. The national police chiefs council said at least 85 reports had been received through its online reporting site, and the overall figure may be higher.

There were 85 reports to the site called True Vision between Thursday 23 June and Sunday 26 June, compared with 54 reports in the corresponding four days four weeks ago, police said.

A spokesperson for the national police chiefs council said these figures should not be read as showing a 57% increase in hate crime, but an increase in reporting through one mechanism. Other hate crimes are reported directly to police forces, or to community groups like Tell Mama and Community Security.

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/...shadow-cabinet

[Crimson Dynamo]

What kind of name is Kizzy anyway, it's not British

If it... Foreign?

[Beso]

we better have another referendum then to get that statistic down.

[Tom4784]

If you find yourself having to constantly explain evidence away and jump through hoops to do so then it's usually a sign that it's not something you should be defending.

[the truth]

this is disgusting lets pray the cops find and arrest every last one of these racist idiots

[Ammi]

..a bit off topic from the referendum but it's funny how the media dance attentively so much Donald Trump, give him platform of attention to the extent they do, give him credence and bask themselves in him...and then show the 'shock' of prejudices that are been felt and displayed....

[Crimson Dynamo]

what is on the rise is the number of young people under 30 using social media and desperate for news so they can post it for drama to their pals

[Crimson Dynamo]

I have found all the evidence I need now, its the perfect article and who better than the DM to deliver it...




http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...eferendum.html

[joeysteele]

Really good post starry and I agree with it all, especially as to our electoral system, which I now see as heightening divisions and not healing them, causing actually now more disconnect with voters and politics rather than drawing them in..

There are consensus Politicians in all parties, however I have to strongly say this,it is equally wrong, in my view for anyone to accuse 'everyone on the left',of whom I am one and a great majority of decent people are, of jumping on a racism bandwagon.
Grossly offensive.

Generalised and meant irrational prejudice against the right or left of politics, is as divisive and wrong in my view as are the worse kind of prejudices of racism and xenophobia.

[starry]

You could say the same if it was the other way. Of course it gives more separatist people a chance to come forward, same with the Scottish referendum. But if these issues had been addressed better, and Cameron got nothing when he went to negotiate before the vote, then this would likely not have happened. If politicians just ignore people's opinions, or scaremonger to try and shut them up then it's not going to work out well for anyone. You wouldn't really need referendums to decide things if politicians did their job properly and listened.

[Kizzy]

The shopkeeper of a Polish store near me was found unconscious covered in blood this morning.

What has been unleashed in the UK?...

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

The shopkeeper of a Polish store near me was found unconscious covered in blood this morning.

What has been unleashed in the UK?...

why is it related to this thread?

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

why is it related to this thread?

It was a racially motivated attack, and yes there were witnesses who can attest it was.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

It was a racially motivated attack, and yes there were witnesses who can attest it was.

and they mentioned the referendum?


do you have a news link?

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

and they mentioned the referendum?


do you have a news link?

It is a racially motivated attack following the referendum, which is the reason this thread was created isn't it?

Have a look on the West Yorkshire Police website if you want details.

[user104658]

Two incidents I heard about directly, today, from the source:

1) A friend of my wife lives in London, her mother is Greek and recently moved over here after her husband died, to live near her daughter and grandchild. Yesterday they were on the bus in the center of London - with her 6-year-old granddaughter I have to add - and a man went on an aggressive 10 minute long rant at her about how "the nation has voted and she needs to **** off back home" after he heard her accent. The bus was packed. Not one person said a word to help.

2) This one absolutely stunned me TBH. A Canadian guy we know - who is actually British - British parents born and raised, he was born in Canada and lived there until his teens (now in his 20's) and he still has a Canadian accent. He was out doing his shopping, was heading back to his car, someone behind him shouted "Go back to America we don't want you here" and when he turned around they punched him square in the jaw.


I'll also point out that I don't actually know that many people from outside the UK (most of my non-UK University friends "went home" happily after Uni) so it's not like I'm drawing from a huge sample size here. These are not isolated incidents, and they are not coincidences. England currently has a MAJOR problem with hate crime. The vote hasn't "changed anyone" of course and this isn't the majority of Leave voters or anything like that - bot those who DO hold these opinions are currently feeling bolstered and driven by an idea that "the country is behind them".

Oh and apparently it extends to Canadians and Americans, too?? It seems like anyone who doesn't have an English accent is fair game right now. To be honest, I don't imagine it's much fun having a Scottish or Irish accent and living in England right now, either.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Two incidents I heard about directly, today, from the source:

1) A friend of my wife lives in London, her mother is Greek and recently moved over here after her husband died, to live near her daughter and grandchild. Yesterday they were on the bus in the center of London - with her 6-year-old granddaughter I have to add - and a man went on an aggressive 10 minute long rant at her about how "the nation has voted and she needs to **** off back home" after he heard her accent. The bus was packed. Not one person said a word to help.

2) This one absolutely stunned me TBH. A Canadian guy we know - who is actually British - British parents born and raised, he was born in Canada and lived there until his teens (now in his 20's) and he still has a Canadian accent. He was out doing his shopping, was heading back to his car, someone behind him shouted "Go back to America we don't want you here" and when he turned around they punched him square in the jaw.


I'll also point out that I don't actually know that many people from outside the UK (most of my non-UK University friends "went home" happily after Uni) so it's not like I'm drawing from a huge sample size here. These are not isolated incidents, and they are not coincidences. England currently has a MAJOR problem with hate crime. The vote hasn't "changed anyone" of course and this isn't the majority of Leave voters or anything like that - bot those who DO hold these opinions are currently feeling bolstered and driven by an idea that "the country is behind them".

Oh and apparently it extends to Canadians and Americans, too?? It seems like anyone who doesn't have an English accent is fair game right now. To be honest, I don't imagine it's much fun having a Scottish or Irish accent and living in England right now, either.

It's only going to get worse, these people have think they've won and that their actions are now perfectly acceptable and they're only going to get louder and more violent because times are going to get harder and anyone that doesn't fit the mould will bare the brunt of the blame even though it's squarely down to Brexit for ****ing everything up.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

It's only going to get worse, these people have think they've won and that their actions are now perfectly acceptable and they're only going to get louder and more violent because times are going to get harder and anyone that doesn't fit the mould will bare the brunt of the blame even though it's squarely down to Brexit for ****ing everything up.

Dezzy's crystal ball must have got another polish

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Dezzy's crystal ball must have got another polish

Is this a 'pun' LT?

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Two incidents I heard about directly, today, from the source:

1) A friend of my wife lives in London, her mother is Greek and recently moved over here after her husband died, to live near her daughter and grandchild. Yesterday they were on the bus in the center of London - with her 6-year-old granddaughter I have to add - and a man went on an aggressive 10 minute long rant at her about how "the nation has voted and she needs to **** off back home" after he heard her accent. The bus was packed. Not one person said a word to help.

2) This one absolutely stunned me TBH. A Canadian guy we know - who is actually British - British parents born and raised, he was born in Canada and lived there until his teens (now in his 20's) and he still has a Canadian accent. He was out doing his shopping, was heading back to his car, someone behind him shouted "Go back to America we don't want you here" and when he turned around they punched him square in the jaw.


I'll also point out that I don't actually know that many people from outside the UK (most of my non-UK University friends "went home" happily after Uni) so it's not like I'm drawing from a huge sample size here. These are not isolated incidents, and they are not coincidences. England currently has a MAJOR problem with hate crime. The vote hasn't "changed anyone" of course and this isn't the majority of Leave voters or anything like that - bot those who DO hold these opinions are currently feeling bolstered and driven by an idea that "the country is behind them".

Oh and apparently it extends to Canadians and Americans, too?? It seems like anyone who doesn't have an English accent is fair game right now. To be honest, I don't imagine it's much fun having a Scottish or Irish accent and living in England right now, either.

why is this relevant to the referendum?

or is every racist attack now attributed to the referendum because it makes remainers feel better?

[user104658]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

why is this relevant to the referendum?

or is every racist attack now attributed to the referendum because it makes remainers feel better?

To deny that it's not because of the referendum result is ridiculous to the point of delusion, LT. In the first case the man did specifically mention the vote. In the second we're talking about a guy who has lived here most of his life suddenly being attacked for having a Canadian accent.

As I said I don't even know many non-UK-native people personally and of the very small number I do know, two, who have never even felt uncomfortable in the country having been here YEARS or even over a decade, have been outright attacked less than a week after the referendum?

There's a limit to what you can realistically call coincidence LT, without it simply becoming a farce.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

why is this relevant to the referendum?

or is every racist attack now attributed to the referendum because it makes remainers feel better?

Be careful, you'll get sand in your mouth.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

why is this relevant to the referendum?

or is every racist attack now attributed to the referendum because it makes remainers feel better?

Hate crime should make nobody feel better.

Of course it can't be factually attached to the Referendum as hate crimes happen in this country every single day, but it's convenient that it seems to be in bigger numbers after the Referendum result than it was before the Referendum result.

In fact I miss the days when the verbal abuse on the Train was the biggest deal of racism in the country.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

Hate crime should make nobody feel better.

Of course it can't be factually attached to the Referendum as hate crimes happen in this country every single day, but it's convenient that it seems to be in bigger numbers after the Referendum result than it was before the Referendum result.

In fact I miss the days when the verbal abuse on the Train was the biggest deal of racism in the country.

Even Police forces have said it is on the rise considerably since the referendum campaign and result Mock.

However the Police are likely lying too, anyone is that finds fault with the campaign with this result.

They seem to forget an MP was brutally murdered for her views on immigration and supporting refugees, when did that last happen for that reason, in the UK for goodness sake.
Another MP is standing down because during the campaign and afterwards she is getting death threats.

It will be nothing at all to do with that vile campaigning and posters and the tone as to immigration though but in my view it for sure is..

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

It will be nothing at all to do with that vile campaigning and posters and the tone as to immigration though but in my view it for sure is..

American Jimmy Dore gets it right

Youtube video

https://

Quote: “the driving force (behind support for Brexit, and Trump) is economic insecurity and economic insecurity makes people vulnerable to racist demagogues”