[Withano]

Originally Posted by jet

No, most of the people you refer to have supported gay HM's in the past if my memory serves me well - the gay HM's that go into the house and are just themselves without feeling the need to bring a soapbox in with them.
I think most of the discussion has come about because of the differing views of Shane J/Ann and Shane J seeming to push his own agenda for votes in the fashionable PC climate of today and using Ann to do it in an underhand way.

As for the 14 yr old that he brought up who would be watching and could be damaged because of Ann? If that 14 yr old were to see Shane J enjoying himself and not giving a fook what anybody thought of him as Courtney, wouldn't that give a more positive, inspiring message than any whining and gossiping about an old lady and her outdated views?

I just can't accept this 'people are intolerant because others are PC' excuse. Blaming others for their words is simply pathetic.

[bots]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

I think how it works though is, the money the older generation paid in, went to pay out the pensions of the people before them. So the older generation will have paid their dues, but its actually the younger generation who will be paying their pensions.

Meanwhile the younger generation is currently paying the older generations pensions, and state pension will probably be abolished by the time they are old enough to get it (or the pension age will be 100 so next to noone will get it, one of the two) so they will be paying in, but getting nothing back.

Thats my understanding of the ****ed up system anyway. I may well be wrong.

Either way the rampant ageism on this forum and elsewhere is quite disgusting. Ageism (and misogyny) seems to be the only form of prejudice thats classed as widely acceptable, and even desirable in some cases

Great post Vicky, particularly on the ageism

Our pension funds were actually doing fine and working as expected up until fairly recently, and by that I mean that those paying paid for their own pensions as the money was invested and the return at the point of retirement was sufficient.

Two main events messed the system up completely. Firstly Gordon Brown saw a tasty wad of cash and decided to help himself to a heap of it and then the stock market crashed leaving just about every company in the country having to make up a shortfall, which many are still doing now, as it is a legal obligation. Livia was correct in that most pension money is in private companies with the state pension providing the statutory minimum (unless the pension scheme you are in completely opted out)

The only true net givers to the pension scheme are immigrants that work in the UK but don't remain in retirement. Everyone else pays for and receives a pension when they get to the appropriate age. So it's completely false that young are paying for the older generations pensions, they are just paying for their own.

[poppsywoppsy]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

It is sticking your oar in when the pack mentality sets in and others come in the thread,not to contribute to the thread but to discuss another member's personality
and judging who that member should be with as to their perceived right or wrong crowds on here.
I am in no crowd,I am my own person.


4 people, not yourself admittedly did that today.
Just got at me,nothing to do with the thread.
That's sticking your oar in,I can't speak for Cherie as to if she welcomed that or not,however I certainly did not.

But isn't that just the cut and thrust of a forum, people do jump in and others follow.

It isn't just one sided by any means. I have had several posters at a time against my posts whilst not anything like on topic.

My advice is to take a break, move threads and their posts will be on the preceding page and another topical post will take their place. But you are a long term poster, I am sure you already know this.

[poppsywoppsy]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

Great post Vicky, particularly on the ageism

Our pension funds were actually doing fine and working as expected up until fairly recently, and by that I mean that those paying paid for their own pensions as the money was invested and the return at the point of retirement was sufficient.

Two main events messed the system up completely. Firstly Gordon Brown saw a tasty wad of cash and decided to help himself to a heap of it and then the stock market crashed leaving just about every company in the country having to make up a shortfall, which many are still doing now, as it is a legal obligation. Livia was correct in that most pension money is in private companies with the state pension providing the statutory minimum (unless the pension scheme you are in completely opted out)

The only true net givers to the pension scheme are immigrants that work in the UK but don't remain in retirement. Everyone else pays for and receives a pension when they get to the appropriate age. So it's completely false that young are paying for the older generations pensions, they are just paying for their own.

Can I just add to this that even if you have a minimal private pension you will not get many benefits which you will with only the government one. You can be worse off.

[Paula D]

Originally Posted by Withano

Nobody is trying to paint you as anti-gay. I just at one point thought that I should let you know that you, yourself (and some others) have implied that you are 'anti-gay' by continuously spouting the same ****e in every thread. Take that as you like idc. Pass your blame to elsewhere if you like, I ain't buying it. Others might buy it and accept that you do this because others are PC, but it doesn't work for me. You can take some responsibility for your own words.

It's called being anti Shane J, big difference. I'll own that responsibility, proud of it.

[Paula D]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

It is sticking your oar in when the pack mentality sets in and others come in the thread,not to contribute to the thread but to discuss another member's personality
and judging who that member should be with as to their perceived right or wrong crowds on here.
I am in no crowd,I am my own person.


4 people, not yourself admittedly did that today.
Just got at me,nothing to do with the thread.
That's sticking your oar in,I can't speak for Cherie as to if she welcomed that or not,however I certainly did not.

Look joey, you try calling 4-6 people homophobes and you're gonna get it back. Even when you don't have the balls to say it straight out.

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Paula D

It's called being anti Shane J, big difference. I'll own that responsibility, proud of it.

Sometimes the simple explanations are the best. This makes complete sense. "I'm only acting homophobic cos others are PC" does not.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

It is sticking your oar in when the pack mentality sets in and others come in the thread,not to contribute to the thread but to discuss another member's personality
and judging who that member should be with as to their perceived right or wrong crowds on here.
I am in no crowd,I am my own person.


4 people, not yourself admittedly did that today.
Just got at me,nothing to do with the thread.
That's sticking your oar in,I can't speak for Cherie as to if she welcomed that or not,however I certainly did not.

I didn't invite comment if that is what you are implying, I can't control others input on the forum, nor would I want to

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

Ive got 2 eyes and a brain love

[Twosugars]

Going back to the topic of this thread, here is a link to an interview with Andrew in Gay Times

http://www.gaytimes.co.uk/culture/98...re-homophobic/

It contains swearing.
I'd post the actual full text but don't know if it is allowed.

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

It is sticking your oar in when the pack mentality sets in and others come in the thread,not to contribute to the thread but to discuss another member's personality
and judging who that member should be with as to their perceived right or wrong crowds on here.
I am in no crowd,I am my own person.


4 people, not yourself admittedly did that today.
Just got at me,nothing to do with the thread.
That's sticking your oar in,I can't speak for Cherie as to if she welcomed that or not,however I certainly did not.

If you can't handle people responding to you then maybe a forum isn't the best place because that is what will happen. You will say something that catches the eye and people will respond. It's not a private conversation.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Twosugars

Going back to the topic of this thread, here is a link to an interview with Andrew in Gay Times

http://www.gaytimes.co.uk/culture/98...re-homophobic/

It contains swearing.
I'd post the actual full text but don't know if it is allowed.

we wont have profanity on this forum. Shame on the gay Times for printing such filth.

[Withano]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

It is sticking your oar in when the pack mentality sets in and others come in the thread,not to contribute to the thread but to discuss another member's personality
and judging who that member should be with as to their perceived right or wrong crowds on here.
I am in no crowd,I am my own person.


4 people, not yourself admittedly did that today.
Just got at me,nothing to do with the thread.
That's sticking your oar in,I can't speak for Cherie as to if she welcomed that or not,however I certainly did not.

I agree Joey. Ive brought up this new clique before. They just seem to go round spouting something vile and then patting each other on the back with emojis.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Withano

I agree Joey. Ive brought up this new clique before. They just seem to go round spouting something vile and then patting each other on the back with emojis.

Just name names so we can discuss you paranoia properly

[jet]

Originally Posted by Withano

I just can't accept this 'people are intolerant because others are PC' excuse. Blaming others for their words is simply pathetic.

That isn't what I said. Many people here seem to have reached the point of being tired of PC being endlessly pushed at them at every opportunity, not at anything else. Do you really believe that some posters in this thread are homophobic? I don't. I think they are just getting fed up with the PC police holding forth with their holier than thou pontificating and being intolerant of anyone who doesn't think exactly like they do.
It has been pointed out over and over again in many threads here. What is so hard to understand about that?

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Withano

I agree Joey. Ive brought up this new clique before. They just seem to go round spouting something vile and then patting each other on the back with emojis.

And we get back to insulting forum members to try and "win" some argument...




seems to be catching

[HBIC]

Originally Posted by Withano

I just can't accept this 'people are intolerant because others are PC' excuse. Blaming others for their words is simply pathetic.

Agreed. It’s a cop-out excuse for sure. Why would anybody change their opinion about a large group of people because a housemate and their fans have been annoying? It makes no sense whatsoever.

[Withano]

Originally Posted by jet

That isn't what I said. Many people here seem to have reached the point of being tired of PC being endlessly pushed at them at every opportunity, not at anything else. Do you really believe that some posters in this thread are homophobic? I don't. I think they are just just getting fed up with the PC police holding forth with their holier than thou pontificating and being intolerant of anyone who doesn't think exactly like they do.
It has been pointed out over and over again in many threads here. What is so hard to understand about that?

Well this thread, for example, was originally just to show that Andrew has been supportive of lgbt for a long time, it shouldnt have appealed to too many really in the grand scheme of things, however it does seem to be a compulsive need for some to enter every lgbt thread so that they can complain. The thread wasnt created out of PCness, yet people come into the thread with their issues...

blaming PCness on their issue is futile, in the same way that "hi, im only PC cos i met a racist last week" is ****ing ridiculous, own your own words and views.

I would never claim somebody on tibb was homophobic unless I had an fault-proof reason to do so. I have only said that the same group of 5 or 6 seem to be deliberately portraying themselves in that way (and that is undeniably true whether they are homophobic or not). Passing the blame to others for their words seems to be a new thing that was first brought up today? Although paula explained how that didnt apply to her in a decent way.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Withano

Well this thread, for example, was originally just to show that Andrew has been supportive of lgbt for a long time, it shouldnt have appealed to too many really in the grand scheme of things, however it does seem to be a compulsive need for some to enter every lgbt thread so that they can complain. The thread wasnt created out of PCness, yet people come into the thread with their issues...

blaming PCness on their issue is futile, in the same way that "hi, im only PC cos i met a racist last week" is ****ing ridiculous, own your own words and views.

I would never claim somebody on tibb was homophobic unless I had an fault-proof reason to do so. I have only said that the same group of 5 or 6 seem to be deliberately portraying themselves in that way (and that is undeniably true whether they are homophobic or not). Passing the blame to others for their words seems to be a new thing that was first brought up today? Although paula explained how that didnt apply to her in a decent way.

id take a break if i were you

[Withano]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

And we get back to insulting forum members to try and "win" some argument...




seems to be catching

What is the insulting part? Posting something vile would only apply to those that posts something vile, and patting each other on the back with emojis would only apply to those that do that. Im describing behaviour.. if the shoe fits, its descriptive, if it does not, its not aimed at you.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Withano

Well this thread, for example, was originally just to show that Andrew has been supportive of lgbt for a long time, it shouldnt have appealed to too many really in the grand scheme of things, however it does seem to be a compulsive need for some to enter every lgbt thread so that they can complain. The thread wasnt created out of PCness, yet people come into the thread with their issues...

blaming PCness on their issue is futile, in the same way that "hi, im only PC cos i met a racist last week" is ****ing ridiculous, own your own words and views.

I would never claim somebody on tibb was homophobic unless I had an fault-proof reason to do so. I have only said that the same group of 5 or 6 seem to be deliberately portraying themselves in that way (and that is undeniably true whether they are homophobic or not). Passing the blame to others for their words seems to be a new thing that was first brought up today? Although paula explained how that didnt apply to her in a decent way.

Is it 5 or 6, surely you must be able to confirm the correct number I'm intrigued who these 5 or 6 are, help me out

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Is it 5 or 6, surely you must be able to confirm the correct number I'm intrigued who these 5 or 6 are, help me out

Cant discuss members, you know that . (I havent really counted)

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Withano

What is the insulting part? Posting something vile would only apply to those that posts something vile, and patting each other on the back with emojis would only apply to those that do that. Im describing behaviour.. if the shoe fits, its descriptive, if it does not, its not aimed at you.

which are the nefarious emojis of which you speak?

name and shame them

[GoldHeart]

All of a sudden Andrew is an advocate and a voice for the LGBT community , he's literally feeding off the publicity more like .

[jet]

Originally Posted by Withano

Well this thread, for example, was originally just to show that Andrew has been supportive of lgbt for a long time, it shouldnt have appealed to too many really in the grand scheme of things, however it does seem to be a compulsive need for some to enter every lgbt thread so that they can complain. The thread wasnt created out of PCness, yet people come into the thread with their issues...

blaming PCness on their issue is futile, in the same way that "hi, im only PC cos i met a racist last week" is ****ing ridiculous, own your own words and views.

I would never claim somebody on tibb was homophobic unless I had an fault-proof reason to do so. I have only said that the same group of 5 or 6 seem to be deliberately portraying themselves in that way (and that is undeniably true whether they are homophobic or not). Passing the blame to others for their words seems to be a new thing that was first brought up today? Although paula explained how that didnt apply to her in a decent way.

Maybe I've missed something, but all I can see are posters saying that everyone is entitled to their own views, not everyone is the same etc. I haven't seen anything that says to me 'wow that person is homophobic'.