[parmnion]

I will still strut my stuff to his tunes though at the 80s night I'm going to this weekend if they play him..I will probably just interpret a pedo dancing while I dance.

[parmnion]

Originally Posted by Twosugars

No, it doesn't, but provides some context as to why. If the allegations are true, of course.
But since his estate is very rich we can't overlook financial gain as motivation either.

The estate should come out fighting in court now that the accusations are out their. ..instead they make payments...and line up the other Jackson to say he wasn't a pedo..

[Twosugars]

Originally Posted by parmnion

Makes it worse imo, knowing what it feels like emotionally all through your life yourself, to then inflict that on others..

Are you saying he was sexually interfered with when he was a child?

[parmnion]

Originally Posted by Twosugars

Are you saying he was sexually interfered with when he was a child?

The doctor who overdosed him says Michael was repeatedly buggered as a kid. The family are not discrediting it.

[Twosugars]

Didn't know that, thanks Parm.

[AnnieK]

I am reserving judgement until I have seen the documentary. I don't want to believe it but the documentary with Martin Bashir years ago was an eye opener

All I know that there is no way I would let my 8 year old son sleep in the same bed as a grown ass man, no matter how friendly I was......or how rich he was. Nether would many grown ass men want to sleep in bed with a child....unless there was some ulterior motive.

[Cherie]

I just listened to MJs nephew on the radio, unfortunately these guys are pursuing a civil suit of 100 million....who would have thought it

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by Cherie

I just listened to MJs nephew on the radio, unfortunately these guys are pursuing a civil suit of 100 million....who would have thought it

Are you sure that's what he said? Because they both have historic civil suits that are under appeal, yes, but the new lawsuit as far as I can tell is actually from the Jackson estate, which is attempting to sue HBO for $100 million.

Either way I'm not entirely sure why the civil suits evidence that it's just about money. Perhaps it muddies the waters - but are we now saying that any victim of abuse or assault who seeks civil action must therefore be lying for the money? It's fairly commonplace to seek civil action in the US and their lives have been deeply affected.

As I said above that was completely ignored; even if you take the sexual allegations out of the equation, are we really comfortable excusing the way that Jackson undeniably brought children under his wing, then spat them back out after a couple of years to be replaced by a "new kid"? I honestly think his actions are seriously damaging whichever way you slice it, and he has permanently scarred several individuals.

[Kazanne]

Weren't the press and media gloating on how he was broke when he died ? now all of a sudden he is worth quite a bit,nothing is clear cut in this at all.

[reece(:]

https://www.mirror.co.uk/3am/celebri...ified-14094338

Wtaf

[parmnion]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

Weren't the press and media gloating on how he was broke when he died ? now all of a sudden he is worth quite a bit,nothing is clear cut in this at all.

The royalties from the songs played on the radio on the day of his death must be worth about 10 million. ..and that's a conservative guess.

[parmnion]

Originally Posted by Cherie

I just listened to MJs nephew on the radio, unfortunately these guys are pursuing a civil suit of 100 million....who would have thought it

I heard that pathetic little runt this morning...wishing God strike his daughter down dead if Michael was a pedo....was he a witness off all the crimes or just the times no crime was comitted.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by parmnion

I heard that pathetic little runt this morning...wishing God strike his daughter down dead if Michael was a pedo....was he a witness off all the crimes or just the times no crime was comitted.

He is family he knew him better than we did,seems you just don't like the family Parmy, NONE of us were witnesses but some seem sure he did it, just as sure as his nephew believes he didn't There will be lots more coming out the woodwork now,so knock yourself out.

[Alf]

Originally Posted by AnnieK

I am reserving judgement until I have seen the documentary. I don't want to believe it but the documentary with Martin Bashir years ago was an eye opener

All I know that there is no way I would let my 8 year old son sleep in the same bed as a grown ass man, no matter how friendly I was......or how rich he was. Nether would many grown ass men want to sleep in bed with a child....unless there was some ulterior motive.

Annie, are you OK? are you OK? are you OK, Annie?

[parmnion]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

He is family he knew him better than we did,seems you just don't like the family Parmy, NONE of us were witnesses but some seem sure he did it, just as sure as his nephew believes he didn't There will be lots more coming out the woodwork now,so knock yourself out.

Rather I did than Michael. ...


It's all the family does...pathetic we know Michael he would never do that.....


But we believe the doctor who says Michael was abused as a child.......floundering family members terrified about losing dosh so they are willing to say anything to defend him...it's pathetic....and that's all they are...

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by parmnion

Rather I did than Michael. ...


It's all the family does...pathetic we know Michael he would never do that.....


But we believe the doctor who says Michael was abused as a child.......floundering family members terrified about losing dosh so they are willing to say anything to defend him...it's pathetic....and that's all they are...

Who said we believe the doctor ? I certainly don't, I had not ever heard of that before all I know is his dad was pretty hard on him etc, of course they will defend him if they think he is being unfairly hounded and used for monetry gain they are his family,I am sure had they proof he did anything they would slip into the background,and why shouldn't they protect the money that he made ?

[Twosugars]

Originally Posted by Alf

Annie, are you OK? are you OK? are you OK, Annie?

you suggesting he was a smooth criminal?

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

Weren't the press and media gloating on how he was broke when he died ? now all of a sudden he is worth quite a bit,nothing is clear cut in this at all.

He was in significant debt when he died but (ironically, I guess) his death sparked a HUGE resurgence in sales of his music. His estate went from being hundreds of millions of dollars in debt, to (I believe) over $1 billion in the black.

[parmnion]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

Who said we believe the doctor ? I certainly don't, I had not ever heard of that before all I know is his dad was pretty hard on him etc, of course they will defend him if they think he is being unfairly hounded and used for monetry gain they are his family,I am sure had they proof he did anything they would slip into the background,and why shouldn't they protect the money that he made ?

Sorry I was speaking for the families ease at believing the doctor, thus believing Michael was abused, but they are still adamant that he wasn't a pedo....come on

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Cherie

I just listened to MJs nephew on the radio, unfortunately these guys are pursuing a civil suit of 100 million....who would have thought it

Just watched the documentary makers interview on GMB and he kept avoiding Piers questioning about any ulterior motives for the allegations, including mentioning money saying it was irrelevant.

[parmnion]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Just watched the documentary makers interview on GMB and he kept avoiding Piers questioning about any ulterior motives for the allegations, including mentioning money saying it was irrelevant.

He has already stated time and time again before and after the airing at Montreal or wherever it was that the story is about the two blokes and not about Michael.....he's bored now.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by parmnion

He has already stated time and time again before and after the airing at Montreal or wherever it was that the story is about the two blokes and not about Michael.....he's bored now.

No. He clarified the documentary is not about the Jackson's and reiterated this isn't a documentary made to target the family today. But it certainly IS about Michael and bringing all of the allegations about Michael to the forefront. There is no other reason than to tell the world Michael is a child molester.

[parmnion]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

No. He clarified the documentary is not about the Jackson's and reiterated this isn't a documentary made to target the family today. But it certainly IS about Michael and bringing all of the allegations about Michael to the forefront. There is no other reason than to tell the world Michael is a child molester.

Well that's the debate isn't it....two blokes telling their accounts of being abused....the abuser just happens to be untouchable....for a better word of expression.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by parmnion

Well that's the debate isn't it....two blokes telling their accounts of being abused....the abuser just happens to be untouchable....for a better word of expression.

Because they chose to defend him and wait until they ran out of money he was dead to come forward.

[parmnion]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Because they chose to defend him and wait until they ran out of money he was dead to come forward.

So what...I hope they drain every last penny from the estate for what Michael put them through and for what the estate/family are putting them through now.