[UserSince2005]

anyhow if they do start smashing windows or some dumb **** rubber bullet the animals.

[Tom4784]

I do hope all brexiters are outraged about this since this is an actual example of MPs abusing democracy for their own ends. I've heard so often these past few years that opposing Brexit is undemocratic so I better see some outrage on the Brexters' behalf for this constitutional abuse in order to force us down a path that most brexiters don't even want.

You can't screech at remainers for not 'respecting democracy' and then cheer on this abortion of rights.

It's an utter joke and it will be the end of the union as we know it because Scotland won't stick around (Take me with you!!!) and I think NI will be wrapped up in so much bull**** with a no deal that it'll basically be a separate entity all together.

Boris has gone for the nuclear option here and everyone, regardless of political alignment, should be very worried.

[Alf]

Bad losers.

You need to learn how to lose with dignity.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Alf

Bad losers.

You need to learn how to lose with dignity.

If this has been the opposite way around, that government was shut down in order to ensure an outcome you didn't want, you would rage endlessly about it.

Difference is that most remainers would find it an outrage if that happened as well. Democracy is democracy, if you support what Boris has done then you quite simply oppose democracy and support what is essentially the move of a dictator.

[Parmy]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

If this has been the opposite way around, that government was shut down in order to ensure an outcome you didn't want, you would rage endlessly about it.

Difference is that most remainers would find it an outrage if that happened as well. Democracy is democracy, if you support what Boris has done then you quite simply oppose democracy and support what is essentially the move of a dictator.

Whatifary.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by parmnion

Whatifary.

That doesn't work given the context but you do you, sweetie.

[Parmy]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

That doesn't work given the context but you do you, sweetie.

Well check ya self when ya pump it out next time.

[armand.kay]

Originally Posted by Alf

Bad losers.

You need to learn how to lose with dignity.

I think the fact that you see this as a competition that's to be won or lost is...well...nvm

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Alf

Bad losers.

You need to learn how to lose with dignity.

Since the 80s there's been those who never wanted the UK in the EU or EEC either, going on moaning for decade after decade.

Even following a near 67% to 33% vote to be in the EEC.

So I'll take no lectures from brexiteers re moaning.

[Alf]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

Since the 80s there's been those who never wanted the UK in the EU or EEC either, going on moaning for decade after decade.

Even following a near 67% to 33% vote to be in the EEC.

So I'll take no lectures from brexiteers re moaning.

Political parties can put a referendum for a return to the EU in their manifesto at the next General Election, you can go out and vote for that party. But right now, we're still waiting for the the result of the last referendum to be implemented.

Play fair, and we'll all get along better.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Alf

Political parties can put a referendum for a return to the EU in their manifesto at the next General Election, you can go out and vote for that party. But right now, we're still waiting for the the result of the last referendum to be implemented.

Play fair, and we'll all get along better.

Shutting down the government to prevent democracy from happening isn't fair though. You're not asking people to 'play fair' you're telling them to be silent and compliant with the regime's actions.

What about Brexiters who don't want a no deal brexit? Why is your idea of what Brexit should be more important than theirs?

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Shutting down the government to prevent democracy from happening isn't fair though. You're not asking people to 'play fair' you're telling them to be silent and compliant with the regime's actions.

What about Brexiters who don't want a no deal brexit? Why is your idea of what Brexit should be more important than theirs?

You've saved me a lot of typing.
Saying what I wanted to but I'd likely have gone on and on.

I agree with all the above in your post.

[Parmy]

It is China, Germany Iran and Russia fault...and probably Poland as well in the end...if it does become nuclear..

Big days ahead in the future for the g7 held by Trump in America next year.

I heard he wants a g4..not including uk..or any other European country..

[Parmy]

Anyone opposing brexit, or mays plan used thier parliamentary privaliges to block a deal..this is just the same..dissapointing in the queen..Im sure there would have been a way for her to say no..but it's already been pointed out why she said yes.

[michael21]

Originally Posted by WickedSkengMan

So he can focus on Brexit without Corbyns childish tactics

Time for the queen to sort this mess out

[Parmy]

Shutting down the government to prevent democracy from happening isn't fair though


Stamp your feet in an up.and down rythm then like these idiots out parading thier feathers instead of duscussing it on here..once you've done that...people may listen.

[Twosugars]

The Guardian did a good piece comparing what the current tory ministers said about proroguing a couple of months ago
For example

The chancellor, Sajid Javid, was also staunchly opposed to shutting down parliament during the Tory leadership campaign. “You don’t deliver on democracy by trashing democracy ... we are not selecting a dictator of our country,” he said. As the Guardian surveilled the Treasury, Javid was nowhere to be seen to explain his position. Nor did his spokeswoman answer its questions. he also seemed to be absent from the airwaves.

Others who did a dramatic u turn are gove, morgan, Hancock and Rudd
Lying bastards in the service of the lying blond clown

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Twosugars

The Guardian did a good piece comparing what the current tory ministers said about proroguing a couple of months ago
For example


Others who did a dramatic u turn are gove, morgan, Hancock and Rudd
Lying bastards in the service of the lying blond clown

That's what I can't get over, the lies. I don't have any kind if respect for politicians who will quite literally say anything to make a case for what govt intentions are, regardless of whether there is one grain of truth in any of the claims they make.
Not only that but as you say the contradictions they make on what they've already said are astounding. Theres an ad campaign by a group called 'led by donkeys', they post billboards highlighting the odd, contradictory or false claims stated by politicians in recent times, specifically related to brexit.
I know some will say all politicians lie, but this is a deception on a massive scale, there's no hiding from these and there's no Shame, from pork pie exports to suspending parliament the pm has lied to avoid any accountability for what is happening.
I just hope they don't get away with it for much longer.

[arista]

[Proroguing parliament is the most undemocratic abuse of power to happen in years. ]

Nice to have you back Dezzy.

To be Fair all the Party Political Conferences
are booked so 4 weeks is taken away, anyway
So infact, it is only a Extra 5 days taken away

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by arista

[Proroguing parliament is the most undemocratic abuse of power to happen in years. ]



To be Fair all the Party Political Conferences
are booked so 4 weeks is taken away, anyway
So infact, it is only a Extra 5 days taken away

This is true,he's not broken any laws, the queen has accepted it, it seems to be just another excuse ,to stop us leaving with or without a deal, besides the people wanting to remain are to blame for no deal as they rejected a deal 3 times,they have had 3 years to sort it out,its gone on long enough,what will be will be,no good getting wound up over it.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

[/B]

This is true,he's not broken any laws, the queen has accepted it, it seems to be just another excuse ,to stop us leaving with or without a deal, besides the people wanting to remain are to blame for no deal as they rejected a deal 3 times,they have had 3 years to sort it out,its gone on long enough,what will be will be,no good getting wound up over it.

Hi Kazanne.
With respect the Queen has to accept her Prime Minister's requests and advice.

She can't do anything else.
No matter what her own views may be.

Every PM knows that.
To have then put her in this position unnecessarily is what's wrong.

Sadly it's put the Queen at odds with not only people but Nations too like Scotland and N Ireland.
The poor woman has only done what she had to do.
With a modern PM unbelievably choosing to put her in that position when he never needed to.
Knowing she really couldn't refuse.

That's really worrying or should be.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

Hi Kazanne.
With respect the Queen has to accept her Prime Minister's requests and advice.

She can't do anything else.
No matter what her own views may be.

Every PM knows that.
To have then put her in this position unnecessarily is what's wrong.

Sadly it's put the Queen at odds with not only people but Nations too like Scotland and N Ireland.
The poor woman has only done what she had to do.
With a modern PM unbelievably choosing to put her in that position when he never needed to.
Knowing she really couldn't refuse.

That's really worrying or should be.

Joey, I just wish they would get on with it, its getting really annoying now , Isn't the queen for Brexit ? I heard his today,I am not too well versed on her duties tbh, I just thought that maybe why she said yes to Boris.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

Joey, I just wish they would get on with it, its getting really annoying now , Isn't the queen for Brexit ? I heard his today,I am not too well versed on her duties tbh, I just thought that maybe why she said yes to Boris.

People speculate on what the Queen thinks Kazanne.
She in 60+ years on the throne has handled her duties very dutifully.

No matter the government or PM in power.

While a PM has not lost a vote of confidence in parliament.
She has to sign whatever the Commons and Lords pass.
She also has to agree to what her PMs advise or request.

If Corbyn, Swinson Farage or in this case Johnson had put this forward as a PM.
She'd HAVE to agree and sign it.
Vice versa too if they were asking the opposite, she'd HAVE to sign that too.

It's a figurehead Monarchy.
Sometimes in my view sadly so.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by arista

[Proroguing parliament is the most undemocratic abuse of power to happen in years. ]

Nice to have you back Dezzy.

To be Fair all the Party Political Conferences
are booked so 4 weeks is taken away, anyway
So infact, it is only a Extra 5 days taken away

Yes however in the conference season Parliament goes into recess..
Some business and other parliamentary things can still be carried out.

To prorogue is to close ALL down.
Therein lies the difference.
It shuts all MPs out.

That is wrong for this length of time.
It should be unacceptable.

I try to avoid this but, had Labour ended up governing after 2017.
Then Corbyn had prorogued Parliament.
The media and near all else would in my view rightly be crucifying him for it.

[Twosugars]

John Major joins legal attempt to block suspension of parliament