[user104658]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

the tories don't go into any great detail on policies at the last few elections. They concentrate on a couple of key issues and hammer them home. Thats what labour should do as well. The more detail they publish, the more ammo everyone else has. If I remember correctly, it took labour weeks to produce the last manifesto and it was published in about 43 volumes

They should just take a page from the Tory playbook and straight up lie. Promise people the world, get their vote, they'll have forgotten all about it by the time you fail to provide it and then you just promise some more imaginary stuff.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

They should just take a page from the Tory playbook and straight up lie. Promise people the world, get their vote, they'll have forgotten all about it by the time you fail to provide it and then you just promise some more imaginary stuff.

they have already done that with what they have said as they wont win the next election so really they should have gone full Trumpion and said they would tax Amazon 99%, re-open the coal mines and then shut them all down again to save the climate

plus deport all white middle-aged people in Kent and replace them with refugees

also free Wispa bars for every hate crime reported

[bots]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

plus deport all white middle-aged people in Kent and replace them with refugees

[user104658]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

they have already done that with what they have said as they wont win the next election so really they should have gone full Trumpion and said they would tax Amazon 99%, re-open the coal mines and then shut them all down again to save the climate

plus deport all white middle-aged people in Kent and replace them with refugees

also free Wispa bars for every hate crime reported

Well no anything they promise before getting into power doesn't become a lie until they do get in and fail to deliver, because the premise of anthing said is "if/when we get into power we will..."

Like for example...

LT, I promise that if I ever win the lottery, I will paypal you Ł10,000.


Now realistically if I did win the lottery you'd be lucky if I'd lend you a tenner, but the above doesn't become a LIE until I win it and refuse to give you the Ł10,000.

And I don't even play the lottery so the likelihood of any of it happening is basically zero.

Which is really carte blanche to make as many promises as desired without having to worry about those promises becoming lies.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Well no anything they promise before getting into power doesn't become a lie until they do get in and fail to deliver, because the premise of anthing said is "if/when we get into power we will..."

Like for example...

LT, I promise that if I ever win the lottery, I will paypal you Ł10,000.


Now realistically if I did win the lottery you'd be lucky if I'd lend you a tenner, but the above doesn't become a LIE until I win it and refuse to give you the Ł10,000.

And I don't even play the lottery so the likelihood of any of it happening is basically zero.

Which is really carte blanche to make as many promises as desired without having to worry about those promises becoming lies.

and of course if you did win the lottery you would swan off to Cuba on a fact finding mission with a 40-year-old scorcher local councillor called Sonia for 2 weeks on the tax payers expense



bloody labour

[bots]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Well no anything they promise before getting into power doesn't become a lie until they do get in and fail to deliver, because the premise of anthing said is "if/when we get into power we will..."

Like for example...

LT, I promise that if I ever win the lottery, I will paypal you Ł10,000.


Now realistically if I did win the lottery you'd be lucky if I'd lend you a tenner, but the above doesn't become a LIE until I win it and refuse to give you the Ł10,000.

And I don't even play the lottery so the likelihood of any of it happening is basically zero.

Which is really carte blanche to make as many promises as desired without having to worry about those promises becoming lies.

the lib dems have been playing that game for years, they can promise anything and everything if they are not actually in power. Unfortunately, they came a cropper when they were part of the coalition and then got annihilated and are unlikely to recover to that level again in the next 50 years

[user104658]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

the lib dems have been playing that game for years, they can promise anything and everything if they are not actually in power. Unfortunately, they came a cropper when they were part of the coalition and then got annihilated and are unlikely to recover to that level again in the next 50 years

As soon as they got a little power they outed themselves as Tory-lites. They're still snuggling up to the Tories up here in Scotland .

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

the tories don't go into any great detail on policies at the last few elections. They concentrate on a couple of key issues and hammer them home. Thats what labour should do as well. The more detail they publish, the more ammo everyone else has. If I remember correctly, it took labour weeks to produce the last manifesto and it was published in about 43 volumes

I agree, and I think quoting a mantra does work.

He has 2 things he could fire out continuously now before any election.
Which he more or less said in his speech yesterday.

' Really changing lives not slogans'

Plus when he stated.
' To really make Brexit work '.

Both represent a moving on, a positive move

Of course for me, IF he really wants to win the next election, and not have to have nonsense from the Lib Dems of them not working with either main party again.

Adopt PR.
Appeal to those who don't vote, it's around a quarter of voters who in the main feel it's pointless because their votes are wasted.

All other opposition parties support PR.
Crikey even the DUP.

If he really wants to be a party of government in and of the future, then adopt PR as policy.
Ever growing numbers of Labour members want it, even John McDonnell of Labour, would support it.

It's been overdue for decades.
Forms of it are used in Holyrood elections, the Welsh assembly, N Ireland, Mayoral elections and police and crime commissioner elections.

Just bring local and general elections now in line with all that too.

Really make ALL votes count as to government not just some votes.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Why are Labour not banging the PR drum?

[joeysteele]

Watching the Politics Live programme today.
Although I disagreed totally with leaving the EU as to UKIP.

Listening to Richard Tice on the programme today from the Reform Party, he was talking far more sense than most from the Con Party.