[Christmas Dynasnow]

Brain death is legal death

If someone's brain dead, the damage is irreversible and, according to UK law, the person has died.

It can be confusing to be told someone has brain death, because their life support machine will keep their heart beating and their chest will still rise and fall with every breath from the ventilator.

But they will not ever regain consciousness or start breathing on their own again. They have already died.

https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/brain-...ed%20as%20dead.

[Liam-]

Just because he won’t feel the trauma his body goes through in the move, doesn’t mean they should disrespect his body in death by doing it

[UserSince2005]

have turned the bloody thing off yet?

[arista]

Yesterday's Decision
is now due around 10AM

[Candy Annie Cane]

Whatever the decision today, I hope the parent's are able to accept it. These constant legal battles are taking away time they could be spending with him and I think in time they could regret that.

Whatever happens, it will be a heartbreaking day for them.

[Oliver_W]

Frankly it's almost ghoulish that a dead body with brain necrosis and body breaking down is being kept going.

[bots]

they lost their son on the day of the accident. What they don't seem to have grasped is that it is the NHS staff that have maintained the lads "life" to the point that there is nothing more they can do for him. There will always be conflicting views on what is best for the lad and that is what the court is there to resolve. The court doesn't make a decision based on emotion, it decides based on facts.

[joeysteele]

I will keep Archie and his family in my thoughts today.

The medics too, they I know hate losing any patients never mind a child of 12.

However, in situations like this when conflict occurs.
There needs to be a better way to deal with that.
Courts deal in law.
There is no law on grief and grieving.

If the Court refuses transfer then I hope some way Archie's family can cope with not having him In a more appropriate environment and just be there as they lose him officially to the end.

For me this is one of the most tragic and heartbreaking cases.
Bless Archie and my thoughts are with his family.
I'd never want to give up without trying everything for any child of mine or any other of my loved ones.

It's a heartbreaking situation and leaving no real winners.
I hope his Parents and family can find some peace now eventually.
For both them and their soon to be officially lost son Archie.

[arista]

Live at the High Court

Archie will not be moved.
while on the life support shutdown

SkyNewsHD Live
GBnewsHD Live

[arista]

BBCnewsHD has caught up

[UserSince2005]

tot up the bill please. i want to know how much this has all cost us.

[arista]

Originally Posted by UserSince2005

tot up the bill please. i want to know how much this has all cost us.

No, they will not do that.

[Candy Annie Cane]

They are lodging another appeal.

[Rustic bauble]

I dont know if they are being led on by greedy Lawyers or what....however didnt the husband collapse 2 weeks ago under the pressure. They need to now just accept the decisions in the knowledge that they tried their best...and now let Archie rest...its all starting to look a bit ugly.

[Candy Annie Cane]

Originally Posted by rusticgal

I dont know if they are being led on by greedy Lawyers or what....however didnt the husband collapse 2 weeks ago under the pressure. They need to now just accept the decisions in the knowledge that they tried their best...and now let Archie rest...its all starting to look a bit ugly.

I agree now. I think they have done all that is possible and every court and every expert have now said the same. I understand they want to do all they can but they are now wasting the precious time they have left with their boy. I think they are being badly advised now, it is time to spend every minute with their beautiful boy and let him go.

Heartbreaking

[Rustic bauble]

Originally Posted by AnnieK

I agree now. I think they have done all that is possible and every court and every expert have now said the same. I understand they want to do all they can but they are now wasting the precious time they have left with their boy. I think they are being badly advised now, it is time to spend every minute with their beautiful boy and let him go.

Heartbreaking

The thing is with every passing day his body is deteriorating.

[Christmas Dynasnow]

who started this ridiculous tiktok dare anyroad?

[UserSince2005]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

who started this ridiculous tiktok dare anyroad?

its all a load of baloney, i haven't see any tiktok challenges where to have to strangle yourself.

I dont know what was going through archies mind and why he was trying to strangle himself but the whole tiktok thing is a load of rubbish

[Candy Annie Cane]

Originally Posted by UserSince2005

its all a load of baloney, i haven't see any tiktok challenges where to have to strangle yourself.

I dont know what was going through archies mind and why he was trying to strangle himself but the whole tiktok thing is a load of rubbish

Considering 7kids have died doing the challenge its pretty real I'd say.

Just because you haven't seen it doesn't mean it doesn't exist. There are multiple lawsuits ongoing with TikTok because of it.

[arista]

Originally Posted by AnnieK

Considering 7kids have died doing the challenge its pretty real I'd say.

Just because you haven't seen it doesn't mean it doesn't exist. There are multiple lawsuits ongoing with TikTok because of it.

Yes Shocking to have 7 kids dead from this challenge

[UserSince2005]

Originally Posted by AnnieK

Considering 7kids have died doing the challenge its pretty real I'd say.

Just because you haven't seen it doesn't mean it doesn't exist. There are multiple lawsuits ongoing with TikTok because of it.

Why wasn’t he filming himself at the time? His parents have just jumped to the conclusion because they clearly can’t accept reality.

[Candy Annie Cane]

Originally Posted by UserSince2005

Why wasn’t he filming himself at the time? His parents have just jumped to the conclusion because they clearly can’t accept reality.

How do you know he wasn't? They've never given many details other than he was found with a ligature around his neck. There must be a reason they've linked it to that challenge. You said you've never heard of it so there must be something linking it to him otherwise where have they got it from?

[bots]

I don't think the parents are being rational at this point, and I can sympathise with that. I think they picked the wrong advisors and it has turned something that should be private into a media circus

[Liam-]

The family need to stop being selfish now and out the needs and dignity of this kid before themselves, the spectacle they’ve created around their sons dead body is frankly, nauseating

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Liam-

The family need to stop being selfish now and out the needs and dignity of this kid before themselves, the spectacle they’ve created around their sons dead body is frankly, nauseating

I don't go with all you've said there but I can't say it's not right.

I still sympathise with the Parents and family but I agree it's time to stop the challenges now.

The Courts haven't ever ruled in favour of them.
I think it was right to try to have him moved to a hospice.
However once that was ruled against , I do think they should accept that ruling.

The life support is to end.
He is where he is.
At least they can be with him once his life is officially lost.
They can always hold onto that.

I do agree too that some of the advice has been more unhelpful than not.
I haven't agreed with all you've said on this but I do personally generally respect your views and have taken a lot on board you've said both on this and many other topics too.