[BBfanUSA]

Rumor coming out about the Xmas Special ending

Spoiler:

The Doctor uploads his consciousness into the database that River was uploaded into in the Library.

This consciousness or whatever can change into his past 13 interations and becomes Smith before switching back to demonstrate .

[Greg!]

Originally Posted by BBfanUSA

Rumor coming out about the Xmas Special ending

Spoiler:

The Doctor uploads his consciousness into the database that River was uploaded into in the Library.

This consciousness or whatever can change into his past 13 interations and becomes Smith before switching back to demonstrate .

Mess

[Greg!]

Why is Steven Moffat obsessed with the show's past it's so annoying.

[Morgan.]

Originally Posted by BBfanUSA

Rumor coming out about the Xmas Special ending

Spoiler:

The Doctor uploads his consciousness into the database that River was uploaded into in the Library.

This consciousness or whatever can change into his past 13 interations and becomes Smith before switching back to demonstrate .

Idgi

[Greg!]

Spoiler:

If the spoiler is true I feel bad for Peter Capaldi because it's just another way his final episode is being overshadowed by Moffat having a fanwank and the general public and most fans won't enjoy/understand what's going on

[Ant.]

Originally Posted by Blurryface

Idgi

I feel like Im gonna overexplain or just explain what you already know AND i'm lowkey scared my understanding is wrong but basically:

Spoiler:

Did you watch Tennant's era? Specifically, Series 4? Well one of the episodes (well, two, it was a two parter) was set in a massive library. River Song debuted (and died) in this two parter. BUT her consciousness/mind was saved onto the Sonic Screwdriver before being uploaded to the database in the library (I believe the database was created to contain the consciousness of a little girl who died? and the library was built because she loves books? honestly that story was a fever dream). I think this was brought up during Smith's era during Name of the Doctor - I'm pretty sure River's presence was her consciousness from the database - not physically her.

i guess 12 will be still stubborn to go, so instead of 'dying', he uploads his consciousness to the library so him and his past selves can live freely and switch between faces as they so wish, and the consciousness will switch from Capaldi to Smith to demonstrate the fact they can change, as Smith is the only one young enough and cares enough to return

[Morgan.]

Originally Posted by Lilbro

I feel like Im gonna overexplain or just explain what you already know AND i'm lowkey scared my understanding is wrong but basically:

Spoiler:

Did you watch Tennant's era? Specifically, Series 4? Well one of the episodes (well, two, it was a two parter) was set in a massive library. River Song debuted (and died) in this two parter. BUT her consciousness/mind was saved onto the Sonic Screwdriver before being uploaded to the database in the library (I believe the database was created to contain the consciousness of a little girl who died? and the library was built because she loves books? honestly that story was a fever dream). I think this was brought up during Smith's era during Name of the Doctor - I'm pretty sure River's presence was her consciousness from the database - not physically her.

i guess 12 will be still stubborn to go, so instead of 'dying', he uploads his consciousness to the library so him and his past selves can live freely and switch between faces as they so wish, and the consciousness will switch from Capaldi to Smith to demonstrate the fact they can change, as Smith is the only one young enough and cares enough to return

Right okay. Yeah I watched since Ecclestone, but forgot all the in and out details.

Spoiler:

Does this mean we might get Smith back, even if it's just for a few minutes, because he's my fave doctor

[Ant.]

Originally Posted by Blurryface

Right okay. Yeah I watched since Ecclestone, but forgot all the in and out details.

Spoiler:

Does this mean we might get Smith back, even if it's just for a few minutes, because he's my fave doctor

Ahh yeah tbh series 4 is always one I've got hazy memories on so I getcha!

Spoiler:

IF the spoiler is true, yes! It'd be an interesting parallel since the first ep of Capaldi (besides the Christmas special) had a Matt Smith cameo. I think Matt Smith was rumoured to return this year too, but then again I SWEAR he's rumoured to return every Christmas

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Greg!

Why is Steven Moffat obsessed with the show's past it's so annoying.

Not just the past but his past. He can't let anything go.

[Denver]

It has the 5:30pm time slot on Xmas day

[armand.kay]

So I've recently had a rewatch of new who and I've realised that I've given Steven Moffat such a hard time and Russell T Davies run wasn't as perfect as I remember. Like his obsession with Rose was honestly so annoying to re watch and season 2 had some awful episodes. in hindsight Moffat was pretty good like this last series was phenomenal, amy and rory were brilliant companions and the 50th anniversary was great. My only problem with him really were his grand convoluted story arcs and how the companions would always end upping 'special'....

[armand.kay]

also I'm opening up to the idea of the doctor being a woman, I just hope it's not a social justice stunt and it actually works with the story.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by armand.kay

So I've recently had a rewatch of new who and I've realised that I've given Steven Moffat such a hard time and Russell T Davies run wasn't as perfect as I remember. Like his obsession with Rose was honestly so annoying to re watch and season 2 had some awful episodes. in hindsight Moffat was pretty good like this last series was phenomenal, amy and rory were brilliant companions and the 50th anniversary was great. My only problem with him really were his grand convoluted story arcs and how the companions would always end upping 'special'....

I still say Matt Smith's journey as The Doctor is the best so far, especially if you binge-rewatch it over a week or so and the contrast of the fishfingers and custard guy from his first ep, to the moment he regenerates as Capaldi, is really vivid. He really felt like he had "aged" and changed in that incarnation - and he is supposed to have lived for several hundred years as the Matt Smith incarnation... travelling alone for a lot of it, picking up Amy and Rory intermittently as they also live a normal life (but it's implied that from his perspective he's sometimes been travelling around for decades between visits) and also living out an entire, presumably centuries long, relationship with River Song, and then hundreds of years in the war on Trenzalore.

IMO it's a much more interesting way of doing it than the more "linear" Eccleston / Tennant arc.

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by armand.kay

also I'm opening up to the idea of the doctor being a woman, I just hope it's not a social justice stunt and it actually works with the story.

It's probably a bit of both - the "SJW" movement is more prevalent now than it was during the other Doctors' casting, so would possibly have more of an influence - HOWEVER that doesn't mean she can't be well-written and give good performances.

[Firewire]

Tell that to the suffragettes

[armand.kay]

Originally Posted by The_Hogfather

It's probably a bit of both - the "SJW" movement is more prevalent now than it was during the other Doctors' casting, so would possibly have more of an influence - HOWEVER that doesn't mean she can't be well-written and give good performances.

Yes thats what I meant but there has been pressure for the doctor to be a woman for a while now and it was ignored with matt smith and Capaldi so I hope this is them thinking that its now the right time rather than them caving in. At least it's not Moffatt writing for the first female doctor because much as he has grown on me his strong, badass woman trope that always seems to fall into just wouldn't work.

[Rob!]

Perched!

[Nicky91]

Originally Posted by armand.kay

Yes thats what I meant but there has been pressure for the doctor to be a woman for a while now and it was ignored with matt smith and Capaldi so I hope this is them thinking that its now the right time rather than them caving in. At least it's not Moffatt writing for the first female doctor because much as he has grown on me his strong, badass woman trope that always seems to fall into just wouldn't work.

Scarlett Moffatt and badass, why does this sound weird

[Firewire]

It sounds weird because no one mentioned Scarlett Moffatt

[Firewire]

Yas Clara

[Jřsh]

Well he's dead rip

[Jřsh]

And she's dead already

[Ant.]

I already love her

[MB.]

Queen of falling

[Firewire]

What a load of ****e

Excited for Jodie though