[Sticks]

Labour have always been arrogant and refusing to co-operate with other parties, even if it let in the Conservatives if they didn't.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Glenn.

He won’t even meet with her lmao. Silly little man.

Yes he demands she removes her red line
blocking his Customs Union.
And of course "No Deal" can not be taken off the table
that's our fast back up

[arista]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

What a farce.
She could have said that in the morning.

To be fair Corbyn should have met her but he is also right to test how genuine she is by asking for no deal to be taken off the table.

She, if she genuinely wants to get some deal now, she can't want no deal in that case.
So to say in order to win consensus on a deal, she'd drop that, should have been easy to do for her.

Ah no though, because if she did that, she'd infuriate the Rees-Mogg and Johnson elements of her party.

I hoped she was coming out to say she was resigning, what a massive disappointment.

Of Course Joey
No change in anything from last night

[bitontheslide]

The way to reduce the chances of a no deal brexit is to achieve a workable consensus in parliament. Corbyn is being a fool.

Brexit has always been a pissing contest, and I blame all MP's from all parties for it. They are more concerned about scoring political points than actually providing the nation with a workable brexit solution.

Corbyn, tried his motion of no confidence, it didn't work, now he should take advantage of the opportunity to be involved in formulating a brexit solution. It would gain far more admiration from the British people than the path he is currently on. May is finished as soon as these Brexit negotiations are completed, and if Corbyn is not very careful he will be finished too.

I think if Corbyn doesn't actively involve himself in negotiations today, then he will be bypassed by other labour MP's and he may well then find that his party votes along with others in parliament and leaves him behind.

[joeysteele]

No deal is not any bargaining issue anymore.
The EU sees our news too.
They now know, MPs would now near riot if no deal really became an option.

The EU know as, May does, and we know barely around 100 MPs would back no deal.
If she allowed it to happen by default, she'd have Parliament in uproar and her own Party dangerously splitting.

So it can no longer realistically he an option.
Except to be put on a new ballot to the public.
Which she also doesn't want and nor does Corbyn.

So remove it if she's genuine.
It should be the easiest part of the matter now.
everyone must now know,unless they live on another planet.
MPs will never back no deal in Parliament.
They also know,even from her own Party, they will never allow it to happen by default.
Everyone must know that now.

Only a new public vote, could contain no deal as an option to vote for.

If she genuinely is consulting and listening to, rather than just hearing their voices, then she has to remove some of the things, her stubbornness has brought this situation to now.

[arista]

"No deal is not any bargaining issue anymore."

Correct Joey
it's now our Back Up Plan
with only 36 days in Parliament sitting times
before 29th March 2019

[arista]

MPs to vote on PM's Brexit plan B on 29 January


Meanwhile France activates no-deal Brexit plans


Life In The City

[bitontheslide]

Originally Posted by arista

MPs to vote on PM's Brexit plan B on 29 January


Meanwhile France activates no-deal Brexit plans


Life In The City

All that will happen there is that the French workers will be out in force blockading our lorries and shipments .... it doesn't need a plan. For those too young to remember, it's what they always used to do before we became members of the EU

[arista]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

All that will happen there is that the French workers will be out in force blockading our lorries and shipments .... it doesn't need a plan. For those too young to remember, it's what they always used to do before we became members of the EU

But in the end Money will make Brexit
work

[The Slim Reaper]

2 years of this insanity, and now because Corbyn wants parameters set up before they meet, he's the one about to ruin it?

I think he should meet, but lets not lose sight of wtf has been happening for the last 2 years.

[arista]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

2 years of this insanity, and now because Corbyn wants parameters set up before they meet, he's the one about to ruin it?

I think he should meet, but lets not lose sight of wtf has been happening for the last 2 years.

Sadly
Corbyn used not going
as a Election drive in Hastings
this morning.


Everyone with sense
said he should have seen her first
then said his plan can not mix with hers
afterwards etc.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by arista

Sadly
Corbyn used not going
as a Election drive in Hastings
this morning.


Everyone with sense
said he should have seen her first
then said his plan can not mix with hers
afterwards etc.

it is most bizarre behaviour

[arista]

Originally Posted by Cherie

it is most bizarre behaviour

Its like him being Elected
is more important than Brexit?

[Rob!]

Originally Posted by Rob!

Laugh at the remains all you like, I am still yet to see a single positive article, news story or statistic that says that leaving was a good idea. Feel free to provide any of the above if you can find one and want the people who voted remain to stop feeling concerned about the future of the country.

This post was from 2016. It's still completely true.

[Withano]

Corbyn is so mean for not meeting. Idc if he wants ‘stop suggesting the country will starve to death’ off the table, he should just meet her anyway, food and medicine shortages should remain a possibility for now! Thats not the priority right now! Amirite.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by arista

Its like him being Elected
is more important than Brexit?

Thing is, he knows that cannot be guaranteed.
I don't think either main party would win an election at present.

It may, give or take a few seats, just be like now.
His only hope is to get to be the largest party, or close to it
For to ensure the anti Conservative majority in Parliament, ( except for the revolting DUP), wouldn't bring his government down.

Which is why, I have now come to support more another referendum, on whatever government deal is offered, no deal, or no brexit.

Parliament and the Country are near deadlocked.
I know of leave voters who desperately want no deal.
I know of leave voters who want a deal and would not support no deal.

I know remain voters who want a deal.
I know remain voters who would vote no brexit , my choice.

I think we are served really badly by both Party leaders.
I think we must have the worst 2 there has likely ever been.


Do a referendum only on the deal or no deal.
Then a majority decision can be found.
However remain supporters in all Parties, will insist on no brexit on the ballot too.
Which will probably bring an indecisive result.

The opposition always has to try for an election and last night showed,.all other Parties would have voted her government down.
Except for the DUP.

I think Corbyn should meet her and then come out and tell the likely truth.
She didn't and wouldn't listen.
Both are playing pathetic games and both failing the UK bigtime.

[bitontheslide]

Labour MP Mike Gapes, a longstanding critic of Mr Corbyn, who told BBC Radio 4's The World at One: "Jeremy Corbyn has been quite happy in the past to talk to Hamas, Hezobollah... I find it extraordinary he's not prepared to go and meet the prime minister."

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

Labour MP Mike Gapes, a longstanding critic of Mr Corbyn, who told BBC Radio 4's The World at One: "Jeremy Corbyn has been quite happy in the past to talk to Hamas, Hezobollah... I find it extraordinary he's not prepared to go and meet the prime minister."

Fiona Bruce said the same on QT.

Speaking about Hezbollah and Hamas Corbyn said “You have to be prepared to talk with people you profoundly disagree”

Yet he won’t even talk to the Conservatives

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

Labour MP Mike Gapes, a longstanding critic of Mr Corbyn, who told BBC Radio 4's The World at One: "Jeremy Corbyn has been quite happy in the past to talk to Hamas, Hezobollah... I find it extraordinary he's not prepared to go and meet the prime minister."

I agree with that.
He should meet her.

Even just to go through the motions of it.
I don't believe she is genuine, however even just to tell her what he thinks of her procrastination and incompetence.

Which she could rightly fire back at him too.

I wish we had 2 entirely different leaders of both main Parties.

At least they'd have met if he agreed to see her but I don't believe for one minute she would take on board anything Corbyn said or asked for though.

[arista]

From BBC Politics Special 7PM
with Andrew Neil Thurs.17th
they concluded Corbyn would have a No Deal (the default way out)
so he can then take over power of the country , after.

Vince Cable will no longer stand with Corbyn's
future "No Confidence in the Government" calls
he says that is cynical and wrong
to keep calling them.

[Sticks]

Labour DO NOT and WILL NOT co-operate with any other party because with one heave they will do it all them selves

Labour has always had that arrogant attitude, even under Kinnock "who said no pacts, no deals"

BTW Mike Gapes MP is going to be deselected for criticising Saint Jeremy as will all MP's who spoke to Theresa this week. Momentum are in charge and like Jeremy, whatever he says publicly, welcome whole heartedly crashing out of the EU with no deal and a hard border across Northern Ireland. It will be a golden opportunity and sunny golden uplands of No Deal Brexit.

Anyone here saying otherwise will have Momentum to answer to

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by arista

Its like him being Elected
is more important than Brexit?

it was clear from the weekend interview with Andrew Marr that is all he is interested in, he cares nothing for the people in this country he is just desperate to walk a fine line between remain and leave so he keeps as many Labour voters on side as he can

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by Cherie

it was clear from the weekend interview with Andrew Marr that is all he is interested in, he cares nothing for the people in this country he is just desperate to walk a fine line between remain and leave so he keeps as many Labour voters on side as he can

Didn’t see that but that’s the impression i get too.Anytime anyone wants to make any progress his tactic is be as stubborn and difficult as possible and move the goalposts abit further so that no consensus can be reached.He has no interest in working cross party to find a solution.The public are seeing this now and it doesn’t look good.He’s appealing to his hardcore Momentum base and pissing everyone else off.

[reece(:]

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Northern Monkey

Didn’t see that but that’s the impression i get too.Anytime anyone wants to make any progress his tactic is be as stubborn and difficult as possible and move the goalposts abit further so that no consensus can be reached.He has no interest in working cross party to find a solution.The public are seeing this now and it doesn’t look good.He’s appealing to his hardcore Momentum base and pissing everyone else off.

Both leaders are being stubborn, none more so than the PM.
Of course Labour wants an election just as all opposition Parties do.

She wanted one after just 2 years of the last one in 2015, and had one.

As for him, (and Corbyn is not my choice for leader of Labour), just appealing to his hard core support in the Labour party.
If you were right in that.
He would be leading the fight for a new public vote on brexit every day.
Because his hardcore support in the Party are screaming for just that.

He isn't, he doesn't want one.
So hardly is he just trying to appeal to his hardcore support at all within Labour.