[DouglasS]

Macie is usually the voice of reason of the BBUS section.

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by reece(:

Both sides of the divide SUCK, are generally nasty, Paul's a hypocritical scumbag and no one has redeeming qualities except Dearly Departed Dominique.

With the exception of Elissa it was pretty much the same in BB15 though but I'd still put that way above 16 and 18?

But everyone's different I guess, I don't mind watching some seasons of RTV without a favourite, I didn't get one (Chanelle) in BB18 until pretty late on this year and had none in the final but still found it a decent series

Originally Posted by DouglasS

I swear you said you haven't watched like any feeds this year or something. It genuinely is the worst in years - it's been the same week on repeat for like 4 weeks or so. The people are scum also. If you've just watched the fake edited shows I could see how you may believe that, but thats not even whats actually happening in the house

I've not watched BBUS feeds properly for years, they're always harder to access than BBCan and tbf I've been pretty busy this summer and always behind on the eps so wouldn't have had time, I'll try and watch some going forward if I can because I've done a bit of reading and have seen how inaccurate the edit seems

The point at which we disagree though is I could never have seen myself liking Cody regardless, I can appreciate him as a humorous DR and unusual BBUS character and for the purposes of the divide but I doubt I'd ever like him as a person. Whereas with Jess I didn't mind her and in another year she'd have probably been my fave

[reece(:]

Originally Posted by Jack_

With the exception of Elissa it was pretty much the same in BB15 though but I'd still put that way above 16 and 18?

But everyone's different I guess, I don't mind watching some seasons of RTV without a favourite, I didn't get one (Chanelle) in BB18 until pretty late on this year and had none in the final but still found it a decent series

BB15 had far more decent people Jessie, Candice, Elissa, Helen, Howard
even Kaitlin on the bad side wasn't a vile person through and through.

This season literally had 1-2 decent people that went within the first few weeks.

[EspeonBB]

idk this season is like a bad combo of BB15s unpleasantness and BB16s groupthink mentality/lack of gameplay (which is something production encouraged with the friendship bracelets and giving Paul 3 weeks of immunity)

I enjoyed the drama in the first few weeks too but now the house is so unevenly divided it's no fun anymore

[EspeonBB]

If anyone cares it looks like Paul Alex is going to nominate Mark and Elena with Cody as a backdoor

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by Jason.

Also in regards to the BB15 comparison, at least that season had good gameplay and some interesting blindsides. This season is full of awful people who also happen to be awful players. There's nothing going for it, unless you enjoy the drama that's just a replay of the previous four weeks.

That's a fair point actually, but I'm surprised cause I didn't think anyone on this forum apart from me and a couple of others really cared about gameplay? All I usually see people say is so long as there's drama and people to support (first strike against BB19, I guess) then they don't care about the actual game

Originally Posted by reece(:

BB15 had far more decent people Jessie, Candice, Elissa, Helen, Howard
even Kaitlin on the bad side wasn't a vile person through and through.

This season literally had 1-2 decent people that went within the first few weeks.

I never took to Jessie, that's true about the others though but then again it was only really Elissa who was around for the endgame but I still enjoyed it?

also btw you're gonna have to fill me in on Alex, I think I'm up to date on why almost everyone else is hated but I don't get it with her, the edit really must be lying

[Macie Lightfoot]

oh sis trust me I've been mentally writing my Alex post for you since last night...you'll never be ready, memba *I* told ya...x

[Jack_]

I'm perched af

Also just some clarification quickly, does the Raven hate stem from her lying about her endless diseases, or the fact she won't stop mentioning them? Or both?

[Jason.]

Raven going all trailer trash at Jessica in the kitchen was her at her absolute WORST.

[Nick.]

Originally Posted by Jason.

Raven going all trailer trash at Jessica in the kitchen was her at her absolute WORST.

So much second hand embarrassment

[Macie Lightfoot]

Originally Posted by Jack_

I'm perched af

Also just some clarification quickly, does the Raven hate stem from her lying about her endless diseases, or the fact she won't stop mentioning them? Or both?

Both. "Raven's disease," the one that she claims doesn't have a name despite five MILLION people having it, means that her tenth chromosome is folded over and that somehow simultaneously affects her digestive system but gives her arthritis. She claims that gastroparesis is terminal, which is false. Her parents are guzzling money through a GoFundMe with a goal of $200,000 to make up for her medical bills, despite Raven buying a new car last year and operating I believe two dance studios. She's reportedly had two years to live since about 2009. Somehow her mother and her brother suffer from gastroparesis as well despite it not being hereditary. She entertains the idea of freezing her eggs even though she's apparently a dead woman walking, but insists that she has an 80% chance of passing down BOTH of her terminal diseases to her offspring. She conveniently cut her toe after Christmas broke her foot and then proceeded to gradually increase the number of stitches she reportedly got, turned her limp on whenever she was around Christmas, and took her sock off before approaching Christmas when she came back from having surgery. She immediately took to one-upping Jessica when it was the anniversary of her father's passing by listing all the tragedies in her life. She admitted to being part of the cat ears/coke fiasco and then got indignant when Jessica told Alex that she was. She was icing her wrist when the feeds came back on from Cody vs. Josh and claimed that she got hit with a frying pan despite being nowhere near either Cody or Josh. She literally "banged her knee" into a table on purpose and faked how much it hurt. She cut her finger last night and immediately went into the green bedroom to show everyone her bloody finger.

And if you dare speak about ANY of this on Twitter, her mother doxes you and tries to report you to Child Protective Services if you have children of your own Happy gastroparesis awareness month, y'all.

[Captain.Remy]

They are all so wack (except Jess, hey boo boo) I almost want Paul to win because he's the only one doing sh!t at all in there.
I feel like this season got personal real quick and feelings are taking over. They are all in their feelings and don't foresee any game moves but 'I don't like him/her so get him/her out'.
It somehow feels kind of BB UK to me with the cliques and personal attacks.
But there has been more discussions about GAME in BB18 UK that what we have seen so far this year with this cast.

[Captain.Remy]

Originally Posted by Hayden

Yet Julie doesn't like you so you won't be part of it honey

[Jason.]

Originally Posted by Captain.Remy

It somehow feels kind of BB UK to me with the cliques and personal attacks.

The BBUS equivalent of BBUK15?

[Captain.Remy]

Originally Posted by Jason.

The BBUS equivalent of BBUK15?

Kind of indeed. Even BBUS15 didn't feel like it, and that was awful.
I don't know how to explain it, but even reading live updates and how the overall house works make me feel like this is a personal game rather than an strategic one.

[reece(:]

This season is the equivalent of Survivor Redemption Island with Rob and his zombies.

[Captain.Remy]

Originally Posted by reece(:

This season is the equivalent of Survivor Redemption Island with Rob and his zombies.

That season was so bad for real

[Jason.]

I actually find people playing personally more entertaining to watch, but the people I hate have the upper hand this time so I'm not enjoying it.

[Captain.Remy]

Originally Posted by Jason.

I actually find people playing personally more entertaining to watch, but the people I hate have the upper hand this time so I'm not enjoying it.

It's not a bad thing for me too, but this year they are just awful.
The whole thing about Jess & Cody didn't have to go this far and this deep.
And that's not cool to watch, at all.

[Macie Lightfoot]

Originally Posted by Jack_

That's a fair point actually, but I'm surprised cause I didn't think anyone on this forum apart from me and a couple of others really cared about gameplay? All I usually see people say is so long as there's drama and people to support (first strike against BB19, I guess) then they don't care about the actual game

okay, so my take on it is that while I could not give nearly as much of a **** about gameplay as A True Superfan Should (shoutout to Reddit turning on Jess in the eleventh hour for... not playing a good game and getting evicted? how dare she), I do believe that gameplay can and does often serve as a vehicle for good natural drama. However, the gameplay this year has only led to contrived drama and we've watched three or four people have the same argument for six weeks now. Paul's gameplay is legitimately suffocating -- pick the target two weeks in advance, create a smear campaign against them for daring to have a mind of their own, command the entire house to ostracize them and not talk to them, send Josh to pick a fight with them a few hours after the POV Meeting, wipe Josh's tears away when he cries and spin some bull**** rhetoric about how they are the ones being BULLIED by [pariah of the week], and then leave the target so over it all that they just fold and don't even bother to campaign. I don't give a **** how effective it is because it's actively ruinous to this season, pretty grimy on a personal level, and it led us to have the same repetitive Jody vs. Paul by proxy of Josh bull**** for six weeks. Every argument has been the same -- Paul commands Josh to go and antagonize Jess and/or Cody, Cody shows initial restraint while Jess verbally assaults Josh, Cody may or may not threaten to murder Josh when the cameras aren't there to record it, and then Josh runs back upstairs and cries about how he's being bullied and they're taking the game to such personal levels.

[AarynGriesfan]

Originally Posted by reece(:

This season is the equivalent of Survivor Redemption Island with Rob and his zombies.

I at least liked some of the people in Robs alliance where as everyone in Paul's alliance is insufferable.

[Headie]

Originally Posted by reece(:

BB15 had far more decent people Jessie, Candice, Elissa, Helen, Howard
even Kaitlin on the bad side wasn't a vile person through and through.

This season literally had 1-2 decent people that went within the first few weeks.

Plus there were power shifts in BB15 and the Helen/Elissa HOH reigns slayed BB19 has yet to have a good HOH reign (Jess & Cody wasted all theirs on irrelevants) and Bad HOH reign = Bad week

[Braden]

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[EspeonBB]

Screaming she's living

[reece(:]

I love that her first tweet was this