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Old 21-09-2020, 01:38 PM   #76
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Without a lockdown, the NHS will become overwhelmed, that is the reason we do them.

However, we can't do another lockdown like Spring, so perhaps maybe close Pubs/Restaraunts/Cafes only?
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Old 21-09-2020, 01:40 PM   #77
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Has anyone suggesting locking down restaurants/pubs been to one since they reopened, they seem like the safest places to socialise

Shut down house parties and big family gatherings more like
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Old 21-09-2020, 01:42 PM   #78
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I do find that a bit hyperbolic to be honest, even among the very elderly the death rate is not 100%, its more like 10 - 20% for the elderly as an overall group.
Literally, they had covid in the care home my neighbour is in and no one died
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Old 21-09-2020, 01:50 PM   #79
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the biggest influencer to the numbers was opening up schools again, and yet everyone is hell bent on keeping them open. I think if we want society to return to normal we have to accept the high numbers and get on with protecting the vulnerable. There isn't any other sensible solution
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Old 21-09-2020, 01:55 PM   #80
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the biggest influencer to the numbers was opening up schools again, and yet everyone is hell bent on keeping them open. I think if we want society to return to normal we have to accept the high numbers and get on with protecting the vulnerable. There isn't any other sensible solution
But the high numbers means the NHS will be overwhelmed and more people will die, and not just of COVID
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Old 21-09-2020, 01:57 PM   #81
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But the high numbers means the NHS will be overwhelmed and more people will die, and not just of COVID
no, not at all, the high admissions come when it spreads to those who are vulnerable ... most folk shrug off the virus so the numbers mean nothing in that sense. Shielding the vulnerable in a targeted way is the only viable solution over the winter

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Old 21-09-2020, 02:00 PM   #82
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the biggest influencer to the numbers was opening up schools again, and yet everyone is hell bent on keeping them open. I think if we want society to return to normal we have to accept the high numbers and get on with protecting the vulnerable. There isn't any other sensible solution
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If people who have spent their lives studying illnesses and medicine are saying the best thing to do is to lockdown, then I'll take that advice over the words of a failed political leader who hates the NHS and can't see beyond his own nose.
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Old 21-09-2020, 02:01 PM   #84
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no, not at all, the high admissions come when it spreads to those who are vulnerable ... most folk shrug off the virus so the numbers mean nothing in that sense. Shielding the vulnerable in a targeted way is the only viable solution over the winter
Hospital admissions are already beginning to rise, Matt Hancock says they're doubling every 8 days

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Old 21-09-2020, 02:04 PM   #85
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Hospital admissions are already beginning to rise, Matt Hancock says they're doubling every 8 days

yeah, and shielding of vulnerable people has also just stopped ... and we wonder why the number of hospital cases is rising? Shield our vulnerable citizens effectively and the numbers in hospital with covid will remain low
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hospital admissions always go up in autumn dont they?
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Are any other European countries thinking of having another national lockdown?
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Are any other European countries thinking of having another national lockdown?
no, more local lockdowns i guess

Netherlands more hoping for quick testing to pull off as a breakthrough in slowing down the spread, if we got a better view on whoever is infected we might be more easier to control it

nothing about a national lockdown here anyway, only thing what we aim for is regain control again over the virus until the vaccine is there (then not everyone maybe required to get that, we still think about ''herd immunity'' if we can get a specific amount of people vaccinated we might be able to use that as a shield for elderly, vulnerable)
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Old 21-09-2020, 02:52 PM   #91
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the biggest influencer to the numbers was opening up schools again, and yet everyone is hell bent on keeping them open.
It wasn't though, as Scottish schools went back a full 3 weeks before English schools, but cases started increasing across the board in Scotland and England at exactly the same time. The factor causing the increase, thinking sensibly, HAS to be something that is "the same" and happened at the same time across both.
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closing pubs at one specific time doesn't make too much difference

i mean here pubs/cafes/bars have to close at 0:00 rather than 1:00 at night

what a mess of a government here if they believe 1 hour earlier closing time will make a difference and slow down the spread
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Old 21-09-2020, 03:15 PM   #93
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She's been great throughout. Far better than Boris
She has been indeed.
All the way through

Still shows respect too to those for lives of loved ones lost.

For me, she's been the only REAL leader across the UK.
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She's been great throughout. Far better than Boris
She's a capable leader, which I've been missing in England given the slate we've had from the Tories over the last decade.
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The factor causing the increase, thinking sensibly, HAS to be something that is "the same" and happened at the same time across both.
ahhhh you are right it was diversity's dance routine that did it
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If people who have spent their lives studying illnesses and medicine are saying the best thing to do is to lockdown, then I'll take that advice over the words of a failed political leader who hates the NHS and can't see beyond his own nose.
Me too.
No doubt on that at all.
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ahhhh you are right it was diversity's dance routine that did it
More likely to have been the release of the Meghan and Harry biography, I would have thought.
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