[The_Long_Run]

Freddie: Look... stop... I wasn't getting vibes off of Bea, I was getting vibes off of Sophie. Sophie just...
Freddie blindly defending Bea and diverting blame to Sophie
Charlie: Don't try to put the blame on Sophie.
Freddie: No, no
Freddie realises that he's not just addressing his team-mates, Siavash and Marcus and that he'd forgotten there was an impartial observer. Also realises that he's falsely blamed an innocent.
Charlie: Sophie didn't know what to do. She was asking people 'should I say something, should I not?'. That's what she said. And then people said 'yeah, I think you should say something'. So don't try to blame Sophie, Frederick.
Charlie defending an innocent scapegoat whom Freddie has picked on to try to divert blame onto from his beloved Bea.
Freddie: No, I'm blaming Sophie for why when....
Charlie: Well don't try to put the blame onto Sophie, I don't like it at all.
Freddie: Oh for *******'s sake Charlie, actually listen to what I am saying.
Charlie: trying to blame it onto....
Freddie: Actually listen to what I'm saying
Charlie: I am listening to what you're saying
Freddie: You're just violently misunderstanding what I'm saying.
Freddie chooses a strange adverb here (violently) and does so to rack up the tension.
Charlie: I heard what I heard.
Freddie: DUDE, DUUUUUUDE!! Come on are you .... Dude...
place holding device in a conversation to hold the floor and give himself time to think
Charlie: Don't dude us, I've heard enough of your little opinions and plotting and scheming. I've to les....
Freddie: Oh my Jesus..... Christ, Charlie, like
place holding expletive to allow time to think I'm not blaming Sophie.
Charlie: Just to me "I didn't get the bad vibes fom Bea, I got the bad vibes from Sophie"
Freddie: Yes, because at that stage it had already been brought out and YOU f**ing piled in as well
move into attack mode and blame Charlie
Charlie: Did I *******ers... even there continuity bleeped out
Freddie:Outside earlier you said "Oh I can't believe Marcus took that, blah, blah, blah...... Cigarettes..."
Freddie uses 'blah, blah, blah' to suggest Charlie had said something inciminating but nothing specifice. Freddie is making it up to blacken Charlie's role.
Charlie: When?
Charlie clearly can't recall this conversation in the context Freddie is talking about as Freddie has time shifted it to make it appear significant.
Freddie: Just outside, just NOW Charlie...
funny, Freddie introduced this as something Charlie had said earlier, he's now realise that time shifting it to current time frame might help his argument, sly
Charlie: What did I say. what did I say?
Freddie: You said...
Charlie: I says "don't worry about it Bea, I don't know why he's took it, cos Hira didn't drink so Hira wouldn't have done it." I was trying to reassure Bea so she wasn't worrying about things so don't go trying to blame me you *******ing stupid little ****, don't you *******ing dare ... to me,
Freddie: I was just out there...
Charlie: I don't give a *******, don't go tryng to drag me into your little arguments. Not at all Frederick, it's not happening. I don't care whos you got plotting and scheming, you, you've got too many issues. You over analyse everything. You've got the biggest..
Freddie: Charlie, you're so full of ***
Charlie: the biggest game plan in this house.
Freddie: So full of ****.
Charlie: You're the biggest plotter and schemer going in tis house.
Freddie: Yes and that's why I keep getting evicted.
supercilious supeiorty Oh no,... I don't
Charlie: Yes because you keep going back to the diary room and reporting what's going on in the house..
insightful evaluation of how Freddie DOES actually come into the diary room and try to present his spin on things as fact
Freddie: Super cunning game plan, so incredibly clever that no-one knows what the ******* it is. So effective
Dogface: What's the matter
Freddie: Charlie's just going off on one....

Now then, Charlie is totally reasonable, reporting plainly and simply what is going on. Clever Freddie uses clever informed expressions like "Charlie you're full of ****" and "Charlie's just going off on one". His powers of argument are bankrupt because he was indeed trying to blame Sophie for Bea looking accusingly at Marcus and Freddie joining in in that accusatorial loook. When that failed he went on the offensive and attacked Charlie with a conversation that had NO relevance.

[Beastie]

charlie badly wants to win!! i think charlie thinks freddie is going to win! because freddie has survived many evicitions! charlies sees freddie has a threat!! charlie is jealous of freddie!

[LaRainbow]

Thanks for the transcript, I hadn't read that.

Totally disagree with your analysis though, I'm afraid. I don't think Charlie was giving Freddie a chance to explain, so in the end nothing much was said either way. (Charlie couldn't back up why he thought Freddie had a game plan, and Freddie couldn't explain what he meant about Sophie...)

[The_Long_Run]

Originally posted by bbfanatic
charlie badly wants to win!! i think charlie thinks freddie is going to win! because freddie has survived many evicitions! charlies sees freddie has a threat!! charlie is jealous of freddie!

OK, continue to ignore the evidence and live your fantasy, no skin off my nose. I just like to see objective truths presented. Something of which Freddie, besotted in Rebecca, is incapable.

[LemonJam]

Charlie's gone well up in my estimations after that argument.

[Vicky.]

Originally posted by The_Long_Run

OK, continue to ignore the evidence and live your fantasy, no skin off my nose. I just like to see objective truths presented. Something of which Freddie, besotted in Rebecca, is incapable.

Thats not evidence...its your view of what happened.


Cheers for the transcript though, but the added bits are BS

[loomy]

Originally posted by bbfanatic
charlie badly wants to win!! i think charlie thinks freddie is going to win! because freddie has survived many evicitions! charlies sees freddie has a threat!! charlie is jealous of freddie!

You've misunderstood how Charlie works. If he thought Freddie was popular he would never take him on in an argument. He's only brave enough to do so now because Lisa survived this weeks eviction and I think Charlie has realised he needs to cause a bit of controversy if he wants to win.

I swa footage of later in the lf a conversation between Charlie and Freddie again and Freddie is so unbelievably patronising. I agree with your analysis long run; I also noticed Freddie was very agressive when talking to Charlie. He has a really vicious look on his face as he was talking. It's only now that he has Marcus and Siavash behind him that he will argue. When he was alone he couldn't find his backbone. He's a coward

[Kazanne]

I watched it all,Charlie was like a bull in a china shop,he never let freddie explain also he lied about Lisa not saying anything nasty about freddie,well I'm sorry a liar gets the boot from me.Charlie was clearly flumuxed at the end as he kept ranting i don't want to talk about this anymore,LOL,so much for adult debate you need two adults for that freddie,so i really wouldn't bother.charlie thinks Lisa is popular again,let him think that.

[The_Long_Run]

Originally posted by LaRainbow
Thanks for the transcript, I hadn't read that.

Totally disagree with your analysis though, I'm afraid. I don't think Charlie was giving Freddie a chance to explain, so in the end nothing much was said either way. (Charlie couldn't back up why he thought Freddie had a game plan, and Freddie couldn't explain what he meant about Sophie...)

Linguistic analysis shows the error of your interpretation. Freddie used his educated sophistication to control the conversation with his place holders and histrionic physical displays. However, the poverty of his position meant he did indeed say nothing. Charlie presented specific evidence, in spite of Freddie's sophisticated blocking strategies.

Note he avoids Sophies question.... 'what's the matter?' with 'Oh, Charlie's just going off on one', rather than 'OH, I was just accusing you of causing the argument and Charlie put me firmly in my place'

[noirin4eva]

At first i thought Freddie was just eccentric but now his competitive streak and gameplan are coming forward with this attack on Charlie.

Thats not to say i like Charlie in the slightest.

[Vicky.]

Originally posted by The_Long_Run

Linguistic analysis shows the error of your interpretation. Freddie used his educated sophistication to control the conversation with his place holders and histrionic physical displays. However, the poverty of his position meant he did indeed say nothing. Charlie presented specific evidence, in spite of Freddie's sophisticated blocking strategies.

Note he avoids Sophies question.... 'what's the matter?' with 'Oh, Charlie's just going off on one', rather than 'OH, I was just accusing you of causing the argument and Charlie put me firmly in my place'

LaRainbows post makes a hell of a lot more sense than yours.

'Linguistic analysis shows the error of your interpretation. '

Haha, way to make yourself sound intelligent, do you even know what you are talking about?! I very much doubt it...

[qwertyell]

Originally posted by The_Long_Run

OK, continue to ignore the evidence and live your fantasy, no skin off my nose. I just like to see objective truths presented.

Stating your opinions as evidence of truth is the very opposite of objectivity.

[The_Long_Run]

Originally posted by kazanne
I watched it all,Charlie was like a bull in a china shop,he never let freddie explain also he lied about Lisa not saying anything nasty about freddie,well I'm sorry a liar gets the boot from me.Charlie was clearly flumuxed at the end as he kept ranting i don't want to talk about this anymore,LOL,so much for adult debate you need two adults for that freddie,so i really wouldn't bother.charlie thinks Lisa is popular again,let him think that.

Birds of a feather. Freddie talks about other conversations and implies an association, just as you do here. Charlie defended Sophie in a brave and highly honourable way, in spite of facing the warlocks' coven of Freddie, Marcus and Siavash. Siavash needs to escape this terrible two as they damage him severely.

[LaRainbow]

Originally posted by The_Long_Run

Linguistic analysis shows the error of your interpretation. Freddie used his educated sophistication to control the conversation with his place holders and histrionic physical displays. However, the poverty of his position meant he did indeed say nothing. Charlie presented specific evidence, in spite of Freddie's sophisticated blocking strategies.

Note he avoids Sophies question.... 'what's the matter?' with 'Oh, Charlie's just going off on one', rather than 'OH, I was just accusing you of causing the argument and Charlie put me firmly in my place'

I fully respect the fact you've made an opinion which seems level and thought-out, but there is no 'error' in my interpretation - I merely have a difference of opinion to you.

Passages like:

Freddie: No, I'm blaming Sophie for why when....
Charlie: Well don't try to put the blame onto Sophie, I don't like it at all.
Freddie: Oh for *******'s sake Charlie, actually listen to what I am saying.
Charlie: trying to blame it onto....
Freddie: Actually listen to what I'm saying

To me, this suggests that, had Charlie allowed Freddie to explain, the argument wouldn't have escalated the way it did.
The fact that Freddie says clearly "I'm not blaming Sophie" and is then interrupted before being allowed to explain why, and then Charlie repeating 'trying to blame' several times, shows me Charlie isn't interesting in listening to Halfwit's explanation - he just wants to vent his opinion. He seems to have his ideas firmly set in his head, and not allowing Halfwit to explain isn't very reasonable to me.

Of course, then it turns personal (on both sides) and the whole basis for the argument is forgotten.

[LaRainbow]

Originally posted by The_Long_Run

Linguistic analysis shows the error of your interpretation. Freddie used his educated sophistication to control the conversation with his place holders and histrionic physical displays. However, the poverty of his position meant he did indeed say nothing. Charlie presented specific evidence, in spite of Freddie's sophisticated blocking strategies.

Note he avoids Sophies question.... 'what's the matter?' with 'Oh, Charlie's just going off on one', rather than 'OH, I was just accusing you of causing the argument and Charlie put me firmly in my place'

I fully respect the fact you've made an opinion which seems level and thought-out, but there is no 'error' in my interpretation - I merely have a difference of opinion to you.

Passages like:

Freddie: No, I'm blaming Sophie for why when....
Charlie: Well don't try to put the blame onto Sophie, I don't like it at all.
Freddie: Oh for *******'s sake Charlie, actually listen to what I am saying.
Charlie: trying to blame it onto....
Freddie: Actually listen to what I'm saying

To me, this suggests that, had Charlie allowed Freddie to explain, the argument wouldn't have escalated the way it did.
The fact that Freddie says clearly "I'm not blaming Sophie" and is then interrupted before being allowed to explain why, and then Charlie repeating 'trying to blame' several times, shows me Charlie isn't interesting in listening to Halfwit's explanation - he just wants to vent his opinion. He seems to have his ideas firmly set in his head, and not allowing Halfwit to explain isn't very reasonable to me.

Of course, then it turns personal (on both sides) and the whole basis for the argument is forgotten.

[LaRainbow]

Originally posted by The_Long_Run

Linguistic analysis shows the error of your interpretation. Freddie used his educated sophistication to control the conversation with his place holders and histrionic physical displays. However, the poverty of his position meant he did indeed say nothing. Charlie presented specific evidence, in spite of Freddie's sophisticated blocking strategies.

Note he avoids Sophies question.... 'what's the matter?' with 'Oh, Charlie's just going off on one', rather than 'OH, I was just accusing you of causing the argument and Charlie put me firmly in my place'

I fully respect the fact you've made an opinion which seems level and thought-out, but there is no 'error' in my interpretation - I merely have a difference of opinion to you.

Passages like:

Freddie: No, I'm blaming Sophie for why when....
Charlie: Well don't try to put the blame onto Sophie, I don't like it at all.
Freddie: Oh for *******'s sake Charlie, actually listen to what I am saying.
Charlie: trying to blame it onto....
Freddie: Actually listen to what I'm saying

To me, this suggests that, had Charlie allowed Freddie to explain, the argument wouldn't have escalated the way it did.
The fact that Freddie says clearly "I'm not blaming Sophie" and is then interrupted before being allowed to explain why, and then Charlie repeating 'trying to blame' several times, shows me Charlie isn't interesting in listening to Halfwit's explanation - he just wants to vent his opinion. He seems to have his ideas firmly set in his head, and not allowing Halfwit to explain isn't very reasonable to me.

Of course, then it turns personal (on both sides) and the whole basis for the argument is forgotten.

[Vicky.]

How it appears to me is that lisa has got to charlie to be honest. Plainly from his 'Ive heard enough of your plotting and scheming' comments...as he has NEVER said anything about it previous. Then suddenly, he is all pally pally with lisa, and he suddenly comes out with it.

Seems very weird to me...especially since charlie generally avoids conflict, when it has nothing to do with him. He normally just sits quietly, which is the right thing to do if it doesnt involve you. Seems hes been given a slight push in this direction if you ask me.

But dear god i wish freddie would stop going on about evictions and how he survives them, hes even beginning to grate on me now with the smugness...

[MissKittyFantastico]

Originally posted by LaRainbow
Thanks for the transcript, I hadn't read that.

Totally disagree with your analysis though, I'm afraid. I don't think Charlie was giving Freddie a chance to explain, so in the end nothing much was said either way. (Charlie couldn't back up why he thought Freddie had a game plan, and Freddie couldn't explain what he meant about Sophie...)

Yes because Charlie didn't give Freddie a chance to explain what he meant at all. He did the same later on when he decided to bring the whole thing up again with Freddie, he rattled off everything he wanted to say and then when Freddie tried to explain himself, Charlie said he didn't want to talk about it anymore.

I also don't see how the OP can rip Freddie apart for the way he was talking to Charlie, when it was Charlie that was using expletives every other word and showed no interest in what Freddie had to say. Charlie does this a lot I've noticed, mouths off then when he decides he's had enough, closes down the subject completely.

[Prole]

The most ill-informed bit of psychobable I've read (okay, scanned... it was far too long...) in a long time.

[Vicky.]

Originally posted by MissKittyFantastico

Yes because Charlie didn't give Freddie a chance to explain what he meant at all. He did the same later on when he decided to bring the whole thing up again with Freddie, he rattled off everything he wanted to say and then when Freddie tried to explain himself, Charlie said he didn't want to talk about it anymore.

I also don't see how the OP can rip Freddie apart for the way he was talking to Charlie, when it was Charlie that was using expletives every other word and showed no interest in what Freddie had to say. Charlie does this a lot I've noticed, mouths off then when he decides he's had enough, closes down the subject completely.

As usual, totally spot on kitty.

[Kazanne]

Well said Kitty that's exactly how I saw it.

[Shasown]

You know its really funny peeps but posting the same arguement more than once doesnt make it any more effective.

[GypsyGoth]

Originally posted by VickyJ

As usual, totally spot on kitty.

[MissKittyFantastico]

Originally posted by Shasown
You know its really funny peeps but posting the same arguement more than once doesnt make it any more effective.

The bloody forum went tits up again!

[Vicky.]

Originally posted by Shasown
You know its really funny peeps but posting the same arguement more than once doesnt make it any more effective.

Tis the forum...not the posters. As you well know. Wind up merchant