[AhmedFan2004]

If he really doesn't want a free ride and is wanting to go up, then why didn't he just ask everyone to nom him, like Marcus did in the past, thus ensure a Marcus vs Siavash eviction. He told Charlie that he didn't want this because it would be Marcus vs Siavash. Why not this scenario then?

Going by what Siavash CALCULATED IN HIS MIND, not nomming David ensured a likely 3-way, putting himself up with Marcus and David. This scenario seems fine to him! By doing this, both himself and David would have 3 noms each. It turned out he made an error RE Rodrigo in the end.

My only logical conclusion is that he's happy with a likely 3-way eviction, but NOT happy with a 2-way eviction. LOOK HEROIC FOR NOT NOMINATING THUS PUTTING HIMSELF UP + 3-WAY EVICTION WITH UNPOPULAR DAVID = TOP RESULT!

He admitted a risk of a 2-way eviction, it was a risk he was willing to take. Playing the 'heroic' card. Also he would look BAD if he tactically tried to ensure a David vs Marcus eviction; contradicting his 'I want to be up, 'No Free Rides', 'Anti-Scheming' ethos. So this wasn't a good option RE public image!

Why else not ENSURE a 2-way eviction by asking others to nom him like Marcus had done the past 3 weeks, if he wants to go up THAT much?


FULL SCHEMING EXPLANATION: thisisbigbrother.com/forum/viewthread.php?tid=143725

Evict Siavash this Tuesday! Charlie/Lisa votes will split and he could go!

[AhmedFan2004]

Thoughts guys? It's the biggest Q IMO. Why not ensure a 2-way eviction by requesting people to nominate him, as per Marcus? Must be scheming, surely.

[GypsyGoth]

Cause everyone would have just picked Marcus and him.

So maybe Siavash thought that might be unfair on Marcus.

[Tom4784]

He doesn't really wanna go, he just wants to play the hero to ensure that he wins. It's all very transparent.

[CaudleHalbard]

Becuase Siavash is almost as much of an airhead as Sophie, Charlie, and the rest (Marcus excluded).

[AhmedFan2004]

Originally posted by GypsyGoth
Cause everyone would have just picked Marcus and him.

So maybe Siavash thought that might be unfair on Marcus.

Marcus is going up anyway, so it makes no difference to Marcus. And he cannot control whether Marcus goes up or not, the others do.

So why not do a 2-way eviction? Scared?

[luminoussun]

Siavash messed up big time and i hope it swings it for marcus to stay

[GypsyGoth]

Originally posted by AhmedFan2004

Marcus is going up anyway, so it makes no difference to Marcus. And he cannot control whether Marcus goes up or not, the others do.

So why not do a 2-way eviction? Scared?

He is not scared. Did you see the way he went out to face the others at the bus stop on the HL show? He is very brave.

[setanta]

Originally posted by Dezzy
He doesn't really wanna go, he just wants to play the hero to ensure that he wins. It's all very transparent.

Yep, exactly. Want's to play the windswept, kind natured voice of reason to us all while in reality he's always been rooted in the game, constantly deliberating and scheming. One of the biggest players in there and wouldn't believe anything he's saying.

[AhmedFan2004]

Originally posted by luminoussun
Siavash messed up big time and i hope it swings it for marcus to stay

People on here moan about Charlie but that means nothing, because he's not up for eviction and is in the final.

But this Q is the crux of it, and IMO completely shows Siavash up. He will not ask people to nominate him and ensure a 2-way eviction.

[Vicky.]

Originally posted by AhmedFan2004

Marcus is going up anyway, so it makes no difference to Marcus. And he cannot control whether Marcus goes up or not, the others do.

So why not do a 2-way eviction? Scared?

Maybe he does have a master gameplan...and then you would respect him for it apparently...so what difference does it make

Also please dont bring my posts into your arguements.

[Jords]

As he knew the other HMs didnt wanna talk about nominations.

[AhmedFan2004]

Originally posted by GypsyGoth

He is not scared. Did you see the way he went out to face the others at the bus stop on the HL show? He is very brave.

Scared is probably not the best word, let's say inconvenient. But you have to answer the Q this thread title poses.

He will not ensure a 2-way eviction, he only fixes things to ensure a 3-way. He only puts himself up as long as David is in the mix.

David is the safety net, whilst he doesn't nominate and tries to make himself look heroic.

Unless you can bring up another reason as to why he didn't ask others to nominate him!

[free3]

siavash dosent want to go up 1 to 1. he wanted every 1 or at least david in the mix, simple, think ppl think

[HalfwitFTW]

Because Rodrigo, Lisa, David and Charlie dont like talking about who they are going to nominate anyway and would have said he is just trying to mess with the nominations again

He tried to bring it up yesterday and they started having a go at him so he just left them to nominate as they wanted

[AhmedFan2004]

Originally posted by VickyJ

Maybe he does have a master gameplan...and then you would respect him for it apparently...so what difference does it make

Also please dont bring my posts into your arguements.

I didn't want to take credit for your calculations, so I mentioned your thread. But I'm glad you admit that he is scheming.

[AhmedFan2004]

Originally posted by HalfwitFTW
Because Rodrigo, Lisa, David and Charlie dont like talking about who they are going to nominate anyway and would have said he is just trying to mess with the nominations again

He tried to bring it up yesterday and they started having a go at him so he just left them to nominate as they wanted

All of them apart from Rodrigo would be more than happy to nominate him upon request. They nominated him WITHOUT request ...

[HalfwitFTW]

Originally posted by -BB~Jordan-
As he knew the other HMs didnt wanna talk about nominations.

Yes THIS ^

[GypsyGoth]

Originally posted by AhmedFan2004

Scared is probably not the best word, let's say inconvenient. But you have to answer the Q this thread title poses.

He will not ensure a 2-way eviction, he only fixes things to ensure a 3-way. He only puts himself up as long as David is in the mix.

David is the safety net, whilst he doesn't nominate and tries to make himself look heroic.

Unless you can bring up another reason as to why he didn't ask others to nominate him!

Siavash might believe he is more popular outside. He doesn't want to be up against Marus and have Marcus go. Especially when Marcus pleaded with Charlie and co. about not nominating him.

Also Siavash figured it would be just David and Marcus if he wasn't up as well.

By Siavash's calculation, him not nominating was the only way to be up. He figured if he voted for David it would be just David and Marcus.

[Vicky.]

Originally posted by AhmedFan2004

He will not ensure a 2-way eviction, he only fixes things to ensure a 3-way. He only puts himself up as long as David is in the mix.

David is the safety net, whilst he doesn't nominate and tries to make himself look heroic.

And again, this is where your arguement falls apart, siavash does not know that david is unpopular outside, he could be the fave as far as they know.

So...how could he be using dave as a safety net if it could actually ensure that siavash himself leaves. Being up against two faves and all

He even said that he wasnt exactly sure about the nominations so would be prepared to take the risk that rodrigo didnt vote in the way sophie said, which would mean it was 1v1 with him and marcus. If rod did vote that way, it was a 3 way...

Would you of preferred him to nominate david? Whilst thinking that this would make sure marcus and david were up?(even though in reality it wouldnt have made a difference) Would that make you feel better?

[MissKittyFantastico]

Originally posted by AhmedFan2004

Scared is probably not the best word, let's say inconvenient. But you have to answer the Q this thread title poses.

He will not ensure a 2-way eviction, he only fixes things to ensure a 3-way. He only puts himself up as long as David is in the mix.

David is the safety net, whilst he doesn't nominate and tries to make himself look heroic.

Unless you can bring up another reason as to why he didn't ask others to nominate him!

Like I said in another thread, this is the one thing I don't have an answer to, unless he thought somewhat naively that people wouldn't put him up just because he asked them to.
Sophie and Rodrigo both pretty much told him they would never nominate him, he wouldn't expect Marcus to (and he didn't nom Marcus when he asked to be put up because he 'wanted to go home'). The only people he could guarantee getting a nomination from by asking would be Lisa, Charlie and David and that may not be enough to get him put up.

That does sound like a pretty weak explanation I know, but it's the only one I can come up with.

I'm not denying at all that this could all be a massive game plan on his part, and that he is trying to appear to be 'the nice guy with morals'. If that's the case it has backfired on him bigtime, but I do understand his reasoning for the most part, and fair play to him for having a game plan tbh.

I still believe he's one of the nicer HM's this year, yes he's ****ed up and made mistakes but he's still a likeable character imo.

[Viper29]

To answer your question AhmedFan....

Siavash has siad this many times, and was trying to say it to the squealing hyenas last night if they listened, that he doesn't want a free ride to the finals, he would rather have EVERYONE up for eviction to see who the public would want to be there. When this was put to the other people in the house they were scared of being up so didn't go along with his plan as they knew they'd have a chacne of leaving. He knew this week that they wouldn't go along with it again so he was trying to orchestrate a situation were he could get the most people up ( including himself ). By calculating out who he thought would be nominated by everyone he brought it down to Himself, David and Marcus. So didn't nominate to get the most people up that he could.

[AhmedFan2004]

Originally posted by GypsyGoth
Siavash might believe he is more popular outside. He doesn't want to be up against Marus and have Marcus go. Especially when Marcus pleaded with Charlie and co. about not nominating him.

But Marcus was going up anyway? What's the difference?

Also Siavash figured it would be just David and Marcus if he wasn't up as well.

By Siavash's calculation, him not nominating was the only way to be up. He figured if he voted for David it would be just David and Marcus.

Yes, but another way was to ask everyone to nom him and ensure a 2-way eviction. But he wouldn't have this, he needed David in the mix.

[Vicky.]

Originally posted by AhmedFan2004

I didn't want to take credit for your calculations, so I mentioned your thread. But I'm glad you admit that he is scheming.

Note the word MAYBE.

Dont even attempt to twist the things I write Ahmed, it doesnt work. Nice try though, again.

[GypsyGoth]

Siavash said if he asked people to nominate him, that would mean just him and Marcus up. How is that fair on Marcus?