[MissKittyFantastico]

Originally posted by VickyJ

And again, this is where your arguement falls apart, siavash does not know that david is unpopular outside, he could be the fave as far as they know.

So...how could he be using dave as a safety net if it could actually ensure that siavash himself leaves. Being up against two faves and all

He even said that he wasnt exactly sure about the nominations so would be prepared to take the risk that rodrigo didnt vote in the way sophie said, which would mean it was 1v1 with him and marcus. If rod did vote that way, it was a 3 way...

Would you of preferred him to nominate david? Whilst thinking that this would make sure marcus and david were up?(even though in reality it wouldnt have made a difference) Would that make you feel better?

Yes I agree, surely if he had nominated David simply to make sure that David was up (as he believed he already had 3 votes) that would be worse? Because that way he would DEFINITELY be seen as trying to avoid being up himself AND/OR it being a head to head between himself and Marcus.

He couldn't know 100% what the outcome was going to be, in my mind he was simply ensuring that he would be up this week, EITHER in a 2 way or 3 way.

[Vicky.]

See, as usual, you ask for examples and then just say they are not good enough.

No use talking to you.

[santaa]

Siavash has it all worked out. Got it wrong.No David

[AhmedFan2004]

Originally posted by VickyJ
And again, this is where your arguement falls apart, siavash does not know that david is unpopular outside, he could be the fave as far as they know

He said that he thought it was gonna be a close eviction between David and Bea. And Bea went in a 3-way, means she was most hated out of 3 people. Chances are, David is in the firing line next. Especially since Vash and Marcus have survived many evictions.

This answers your Q perfectly - Siavash is confident against David.

[Vicky.]

Originally posted by MissKittyFantastico

Yes I agree, surely if he had nominated David simply to make sure that David was up (as he believed he already had 3 votes) that would be worse? Because that way he would DEFINITELY be seen as trying to avoid being up himself AND/OR it being a head to head between himself and Marcus.

He couldn't know 100% what the outcome was going to be, in my mind he was simply ensuring that he would be up this week, EITHER in a 2 way or 3 way.

Ahmedfan wont see it like this though...watch

Im looking forward to seeing how he attempts to totally disprove it...because he cant accept that sometimes he may be wrong

[MissKittyFantastico]

Originally posted by GypsyGoth
Siavash said if he asked people to nominate him, that would mean just him and Marcus up. How is that fair on Marcus?

Good point that. Especially seeing as Marcus has now decided that he doesn't want to go home.

[AhmedFan2004]

Originally posted by MissKittyFantastico
Yes I agree, surely if he had nominated David simply to make sure that David was up (as he believed he already had 3 votes) that would be worse? Because that way he would DEFINITELY be seen as trying to avoid being up himself AND/OR it being a head to head between himself and Marcus.

He couldn't know 100% what the outcome was going to be, in my mind he was simply ensuring that he would be up this week, EITHER in a 2 way or 3 way.

He said if he nominated David, then that means David vs Marcus. NO SIAVASH. Agreed?

So yes he wants to be up.

But why do it like this, a 3-way, why not ask everyone to nominate him and ensure a 2-way eviction of Marcus vs Siavash?

Why does David have to be in there?

[tintedshadow]

Originally posted by AhmedFan2004
If he really doesn't want a free ride and is wanting to go up, then why didn't he just ask everyone to nom him, like Marcus did in the past - And thus ensure a Marcus vs Siavash eviction.

He told Charlie that he didn't want this because it would be Marcus vs Siavash. But he didn't elaborate on what was so bad about that.

Going by Vicky's post about what Siavash CALCULATED IN HIS MIND, not nomming ensured a 3-way; inc David. So this scenario seems fine to him.

My only logical conclusion is that he's happy with a likely 3-way eviction, but not happy with a 2-way eviction. Thus LOOKING GOOD FOR NOT NOMINATING + 3-WAY EVICTION WITH DAVID = RESULT.

I know he admitted a risk of it being a 2-way eviction ANYWAY, but it seems like it was a risk he was willing to take.

Why else not ENSURE a 2-way eviction by asking others to nom him as per Marcus of the past 3 weeks, if he wants to go up so bad?

heres why genius.. had siavash begged to be nominated as charlie suggested,siavash would be accused of game playing and would of been told to "****" as they can choose who ever they like,charlies reason for nominating marcus this week was because marcus had asked to be nominated before and has now had a change of heart,so had siavash asked,they would only use this as ammunition to target siavash even more so than before..

so while you see siavash as "Scared" the truth is,house mates have broken rules at their leisure,yet siavash is somehow wrong this week.. for some reason siavash not adhering to one rule is oh so immoral yet every other housemate is okay to do so? sophie didnt nominate last week and charlie didnt have much of an issue with it,marcus has done much the same in the past.. but yeah lets persecute siavash,that seems fair

[setanta]

Originally posted by MissKittyFantastico

Good point that. Especially seeing as Marcus has now decided that he doesn't want to go home.

More like how is it fair to him. Come on lads, he's trying to avoid eviction and assume the moral highground here. Dull stuff.

[GypsyGoth]

Originally posted by setanta

More like how is it fair to him. Come on lads, he's trying to avoid eviction and assume the moral highground here. Dull stuff.

Marcus has more of a chance of staying if David (or any other housemate) is up, rather than just Siavash and Marcus. Siavash considers Marcus a friend, why would he wan t to increase Marcus's chances of going.

Hope this makes sense.

[MissKittyFantastico]

Originally posted by AhmedFan2004

He said if he nominated David, then that means David vs Marcus. NO SIAVASH. Agreed?

So yes he wants to be up.

But why do it like this, a 3-way, why not ask everyone to nominate him and ensure a 2-way eviction of Marcus vs Siavash?

Why does David have to be in there?

He didn't KNOW that David would be in there, that's my point. He was looking at ALL the scenarios, based on what he knew about other people's nominations.

He listed the options of it being David v Marcus, himself v Marcus, and a 3 way, he wasn't to know for sure what would happen so he just took the chance!

I don't even think he particularly WANTED it to be David up this week, he said all along he would prefer for EVERYONE to be up. He just assumed that David was in the mix based on Sophie and Marcus's noms and what he was told by Sophie about the way Rodrigo would have voted.

Siavash isn't singling David or anybody out, his sole aim was to just be up himself in some fashion.

And if you look back through the thread I already gave my view on why he didn't ask to be put up.

[santaa]

Hope Marcus doesnt roll over and let him win

[RobertaH]

Originally posted by GypsyGoth
Siavash said if he asked people to nominate him, that would mean just him and Marcus up. How is that fair on Marcus?

By the time Siavash nommed? Marcus was already up.

[setanta]

Originally posted by GypsyGoth

Marcus has more of a chance of staying if David (or any other housemate) is up, rather than just Siavash and Marcus. Siavash considers Marcus a friend, why would he wan t to increase Marcus's chances of going.

Hope this makes sense.

Nope, it doesn't becuz I feel Siavash would have been genuinely worried about facing Marcus head on.

[AhmedFan2004]

If Siavash asked everyone to nominate him, they would have done. Nearly all of them did WITHOUT request. So it's no big deal.

Someone suggested he didn't want a 1-1 eviction of Vash vs Marcus because that could mean Marcus leaving; his friend. So he's worried about that.

This is a possibility, and the best alternative reason produced so far in this thread.

But then that still means David being a possible safety net, for the pair of them. Again, it means that himself and Marcus have a possible safety net.

And like I said, Vash figured that David vs Bea was a close eviction, and since Bea went, he must think David is next in the firing line. AHEAD OF MARCUS.

So he's trying to fix a result.

[MissKittyFantastico]

Originally posted by AhmedFan2004
If Siavash asked everyone to nominate him, they would have done. Nearly all of them did WITHOUT request. So it's no big deal.

Someone suggested he didn't want a 1-1 eviction of Vash vs Marcus because that could mean Marcus leaving; his friend. So he's worried about that.

This is a possibility, and the best alternative reason produced so far in this thread.

But then that still means David being a possible safety net, for the pair of them. Again, it means that himself and Marcus have a possible safety net.

And like I said, Vash figured that David vs Bea was a close eviction, and since Bea went, he must think David is next in the firing line. AHEAD OF MARCUS.

So he's trying to fix a result.

He actually said to Bea that he thought between her and David, it was 60% (her) to 40% (David) that she would go.

Hardly that close, and this is all based on assumption anyway!

[Vicky.]

You do make me laugh Ahmedfan..I'll give you that

[setanta]

Originally posted by MissKittyFantastico

He actually said to Bea that he thought between her and David, it was 60% (her) to 40% (David) that she would go.

Hardly that close, and this is all based on assumption anyway!

But that's the whole point Kitty. The guy is so immersed in a game that he has stated is of no concern to him, and yet he continues to process information and act accordingly. Everything he does is carefully thought out and deliberated over. Not the actions of a guy who doesn't give a fu$k about it all.

[AhmedFan2004]

Originally posted by MissKittyFantastico
He didn't KNOW that David would be in there, that's my point. He was looking at ALL the scenarios, based on what he knew about other people's nominations.

He listed the options of it being David v Marcus, himself v Marcus, and a 3 way, he wasn't to know for sure what would happen so he just took the chance!

I don't even think he particularly WANTED it to be David up this week, he said all along he would prefer for EVERYONE to be up. He just assumed that David was in the mix based on Sophie and Marcus's noms and what he was told by Sophie about the way Rodrigo would have voted.

Siavash isn't singling David or anybody out, his sole aim was to just be up himself in some fashion.

And if you look back through the thread I already gave my view on why he didn't ask to be put up.

In his mind it was likely that David got 3 noms, and he got 3 noms. See Vicky's thread. I agree there was a risk element. I agree he wasn't singling David out, it's other HMs nomming David; Sophie, etc.

But even if it was true that Siavash didn't want a 1-1 eviction against Marcus because that could mean his friend leaving, that still means he's trying to fix a result to ensure a 3-way, with David. So David gets the rap.

And as I explained, he thought Bea vs David was a close eviction call. So logically David is ahead of Marcus in the firing line. He's the safety net.

It still goes back to Siavash wanting a 3-way. Either to save his own skin and look like a hero to the public, or to save Marcus and be loyal there.

And since Siavash has backstabbed Marcus and appears to be a huge gameplayer, this 'loyalty to Marcus and not wanting to see him go' theory does seem rather farfetched.

But EVEN if true, he's still trying to fix a result. With David as the safety net.

[GypsyGoth]

Originally posted by setanta
Nope, it doesn't becuz I feel Siavash would have been genuinely worried about facing Marcus head on.

I agree that Siavash would have more of a chance of going (as would Marcus), to understand his true motives you would have to be him at that moment.

I like Marcus too, I hate that it is Siavash and Marcus up.

There are soo many useless ones let into the final week without our say so.

Anyway Siavash wanting to be in the final week doesn't bother me, or if he wanted to increase his (and his friend's) chances of making the final.

The Vash is best of them left in there. He is head and sholders above the rest.

[AhmedFan2004]

Originally posted by MissKittyFantastico

He actually said to Bea that he thought between her and David, it was 60% (her) to 40% (David) that she would go.

Hardly that close, and this is all based on assumption anyway!

And then the next day, he reduced that to 50/50, in the garden, day time. But in either case, he believes Marcus was least likely to go of the 3.

Which means David is more likely to go than Marcus, in his mind. Simple Maths.

[setanta]

Originally posted by GypsyGoth

I agree that Siavash would have more of a chance of going (as would Marcus), to understand his true motives you would have to be him at that moment.

I like Marcus too, I hate that it is Siavash and Marcus up.

There are soo many useless ones let into the final week without our say so.

Anyway Siavash wanting to be in the final week doesn't bother me, or if he wanted to increase his (and his friend's) chances of making the final.

The Vash is best of them left in there. He is head and sholders above the rest.

I agree that they're useless in there but I don't agree that Siavash stands above them in this - that's exactly what he wants you to believe. I personally don't want any of them to win but Siavash is just as bad as the rest in some of his actions and behaviour. He's an extremely deliberate individual.

[GypsyGoth]

Originally posted by setanta
I agree that they're useless in there but I don't agree that Siavash stands above them in this - that's exactly what he wants you to believe. I personally don't want any of them to win but Siavash is just as bad as the rest in some of his actions and behaviour. He's an extremely deliberate individual.

Siavash is caring, brave, romantic, handsome, loyal, funny, stylish, fast, strong, smart... you get the idea.

I think he is great

[setanta]

Originally posted by GypsyGoth

Siavash is caring, brave, romantic, handsome, loyal, funny, stylish, fast, strong, smart... you get the idea.

I think he is great

Oh, I get the idea darling. Don't you worry.
Ah, l'amour

[AhmedFan2004]

It's very very convenient that Siavash believes that David is ahead of Marcus in the firing line, and that it would be a 'close call' between David and Bea in last week's 3 way eviction with Marcus.

60/40, then reducing that to 50/50 in the garden the next day.

So it seems so convenient to ensure that David is in the mix with them. Most likely to look like a hero whilst he survives, or to be loyal to Marcus and not have a 2-way eviction incase Marcus goes (unlikely).

But in either case; most likely because he wants to stay WHILST looking heroic, David is that safety blanket that holds the scheming together.

You need David in all of this, that's my point. He needs to be there. So it's fixing a result.